Three years of ESO

Dormiglione

I am maybe one of the elder players here with "natural white hair", and have both developed and tested more Multiplayer games than played for the sake of fun, but Elder Scrolls Online.

I got invited by a friend, who actually possessed two distinct accounts and tried to release one for me, without much success. At the time, I went in a shop and got a copy, instead. I installed it on a small laptop and surprisingly it worked pretty well, without tweaking the system.

A while later I got interest into Cyrodiil, and for this new environment I also had to move to a stronger PC. For the first time in my life, I bought a good graphics card, Bluetooth headphones and decent peripherals. Why? Because as a developer, you must use the crappiest hardware you can get, in order to make things work for everybody!

Much later, I started to play trials. And here the problems started and have not ceased until then. Unlike many players, I enjoy every detail and love to discover hidden features, and try new gear and tactics.

Most of the times, I get kicked from groups, because I fail to rush through, or I don't know the tricks yet. For quite a long time I played healer, but acted as a damage dealer, much to my disgrace ... I did not know, that people expect me to act as my self imposed role. And nobody told me. Instead I got kicked and insulted.

Then I transformed my character to a tank, which was much appreciated by a lot of people, but a few expected me to do things I could not fulfill. For example, they expected me to make more damage, and kicked me once again. And again.

By then, I decided to play solo. As a front bar tank and as a back bar healer, I could master a lot of dungeons alone. But then, I learned only the tricks. There is no fun playing always alone.

Then I transformed again, to a damage dealer, and now have enough power and experience to not getting one-hit-killed all the time in Imperial City or Cyrodiil. It took me a long time to sneak after the top players and learn from their skills, even if it meant to get killed a hundred times by them.

However, since then, I get kicked from dungeons and trials, because I still don't know the tricks and because I take my time to learn. And, of course, my additional skills are expected to heal and tank as well. Last time, today, I got kicked in one of the tougher dungeons, because I wasn't able to perform well in a 3 people set when actually it would need 4, including also the fact I was pretty green, although not completely.

About half a year ago, I tried ESO Plus, in the hope that I could finish some of the dungeons and trials almost nobody plays. Besides the difficulty to actually find players, sometimes automating my research with chat scripts, it took often hours to find enough people. With trials then, many left before or while playing, and not having an automated replacement, has become a major issue not to play at all.

I have learned so far, that having a banker makes ESO Plus unnecessary, and having more dungeons to play does not solve the problem of rushing, kicking and insulting players. An additional option in the finder can solve this problem: Grind. If on, you can rush through, else you can't kick members or leave. But you may unplug your net cable as a sign of desperation

Now that Greymoore is coming with a new set of solo player skills, i am tempted, but I fear that once again, I will not find slow motion players for dungeons and trials, and thus buy a package I can't fully play.

Please, ESO, tell me about the "grind" option you have "right now implemented" , in the new dungeon finder, where you also listed all of the dungeons and trials of this game!

MartiniDaniels

Bro, if you were queuing as dps but played as healer
Or queued as healer and played as tank
Or queued as tank but played as dps

Maybe you may just use appropriate role and nobody will kick you?

Twilanthe

While the idea that players who want to rush through could click an extra button for "grind" seems like a good idea, I think it would likely create further issues with long lead times, and may likely result in people not selecting the grind option and still rushing through. When fast queues and fast dungeons are what you are after, you will do whatever it takes to be fast.

You said it when you said playing alone isn't any fun. I strongly recommend you try finding a guild or a regular group of in game friends to run dungeons with. At least 2 others then you don't ever have to worry about getting kicked. You can just pug the 3rd.

Edit: typos

gabriebe

There are guilds for roleplay and a few even for older players. It would be a better experience for you to seek those out to complete the content you want to play.

redspecter23

If you're getting kicked repeatedly over and over, there is one common factor there.

There are expectations when you join a group. You may think that others are imposing their playstyle on you, but consider the opposite. You are joining a group of 11 other people and you're the one going against the grain. If it gets to the point that the content either can't be completed or becomes a struggle, those people may remove you in order to get the content done.

This is a bit of honest, truthful advice based on what I'm reading. You may just not be capable of finishing some of the harder content. It would be of huge benefit to examine reasons why you are getting kicked. Either do what's necessary to make those groups more comfortable or you can also try and find a network of friends (maybe a guild?) that share a similar playstyle to your own. You will definitely enjoy your time more if you do.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

I mean you shouldn't be surprised when you sign up to do content as a role that you're not and get angry responses. The rest of your group is depending on you to do your part so they can do theirs. That being said, however, there are guilds you can join that will appreciate your style of play, especially role playing guilds. You can also make a dedicated character for group content that can perform well in that environment, and one to build however you like, for anything. But do remember, pve and pvp builds don't mix well in group content overall. Best of luck!

Nestor

If you want a paced journey through a Dungeon, join a guild. We do these types of runs in our guild on Monday Nights. Most other PvE Guilds will do the same. You could even set up your own Event Night and run the event your self.

Group Finder, for better or worse, should be called, Let Farm a Dungeon As Fast As Possible.

MarzAttakz

Which server are you playing on?

Att1Tude

If you group with pugs, don't expect anything. Expect something with a guild run but pugs are just random.

Mancombe_Nosehair

You make a good point about the banker. I have never subscribed myself, and I have been playing for just over three years myself.

When I swapped over to pc na, the first things I did were to max out bank space, then save enough gold for the banker.

If you don't have banker, then the capital of Reapers Marsh is the best place to do writs.

daemonios

There is now a guild finder in the game, and you seem willing to play with other people. Try looking for a guild that appeals to your interests. You are far more likely to find people willing to help you improve in whatever role you choose to play if you're a part of the same community.

Coatmagic

Good sir, I watch my sigoth join pug trial after pug trial in crag on a daily basis, so not sure what the issue is, other than that maybe you need to learn from your mistakes?

Seems to me you've worked out that YOU are supposed to que for the ROLE YOU WISH TO PLAY, so that's a start!

As others have stated, if you want to 'walk' through dungeons, then you will need to find an RP guild.

Good luck!

sniperfire03

Try the guild "thegreymanes" they are on all platforms and all servers and they put that guild together with ppl like you in mind OP. Look em up, I think they will fit u perfectly

redgreensunset

I'll be honest with you, you completely lost me at the, "I joined random groups saying I'd fill a certain role (healer) but didn't and I got kicked and I don't understand why no one told me that I was actually expected to fulfill said role" and the rest of the post did not improve my opinion of you.
It by all appearances looks like you join random groups either via dungeon finder or zone pickup groups and then expect them to conform to your wishes without ever expressing said wishes, did you ever tell these people you were new and learning?, and expect them to teach you. Random groups are not by default teaching group. Nor does it seem that a lot of the time you fulfill the base requirements for your role at the level you're playing. Like for vet DDs have a minimum requirement, tanks need to have a certain level of health so they don't get killed while tanking, there are definitely content that has minimum healing too for healers. And there's a ton of guides, written or in video form, explaining these and explaining tactics and builds.
Have you even looked up builds for your required roles? Read or watched guides for the content you're doing?


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Dormiglione

MarzAttakz wrote: »

Which server are you playing on?

EU

Dormiglione

sniperfire03 wrote: »

Try the guild "thegreymanes" they are on all platforms and all servers and they put that guild together with ppl like you in mind OP. Look em up, I think they will fit u perfectly

Good suggestion, will try.

Dormiglione

People, I've learned my lesson much time ago, but I wanted to reassume the struggle to become a player without doing "homework" = making the game experience a daily business.

If it was for business, I would apply as a tester. Or use the test server. Or I would make a Youtube channel.

Instead, I tried to explain what a lot of people experience, who I happened to encounter, but tell the story in a way, that I am the single and sole "idiot". When I started, a player had actually 2 predefined and contemporary roles: healer and dps. And a a certain point, you became "veteran" even without knowing why. Many things have changed to better, also because there are people who tell their tale.

And, because I'm socially awkward, I did not join a group for a very long time.

Surprisingly, I became good friends with people who were "raging glowing red" because of my unpredictable behaviour and play style, and helped me a good step further.

By now, I'm not an ignorant player, but every time I happen to meet a beginner, I take all time it needs to explain, and help with gear and examples, because in this way I help myself and the new player to have a satisfying experience. And then, maybe, one day we can play and accept people trying the most impossible combination of skills without getting mad

Rake

3 years of ESO
or
2 years of lag
half a year of loading screens
3 months of queue
15 days of respawning after death

MarzAttakz

Rake wrote: »

3 years of ESO
or
2 years of lag
half a year of loading screens
3 months of queue
15 days of respawning after death

Brutal!

MarzAttakz

Dormiglione wrote: »

sniperfire03 wrote: »

Try the guild "thegreymanes" they are on all platforms and all servers and they put that guild together with ppl like you in mind OP. Look em up, I think they will fit u perfectly

Good suggestion, will try.

Also "The Slow Dungeoneers" (don't take offense, we enjoy going slowly, and some times fast too).

ArchMikem

If you joined a group for a Trial as a Tank, and you ARE a Tank, then no normal person would ever kick you for not also doing damage. A Tank has one job, not two. People who expect others to perform beyond their roles are dumb.

Dormiglione

ArchMikem wrote: »

If you joined a group for a Trial as a Tank, and you ARE a Tank, then no normal person would ever kick you for not also doing damage. A Tank has one job, not two. People who expect others to perform beyond their roles are dumb.

I was, and I got kicked because I did not do enough damage ... although I could easily withstand the full mob rage and keep it from hitting other players. This is a typical event which happens all the time in the random, less standard dungeons and trials. The times it does not happen is, when I get involved by pure case, into a group who are questing. Then everything is almost dream like

Reason for which I think there should be a distinction between grinders and questers. My suggestion is cheap to realise to the developers, much less than introducing a "solo" mode as suggested by many You-tubers.

Dormiglione

MarzAttakz wrote: »

Dormiglione wrote: »

sniperfire03 wrote: »

Try the guild "thegreymanes" they are on all platforms and all servers and they put that guild together with ppl like you in mind OP. Look em up, I think they will fit u perfectly

Good suggestion, will try.

Also "The Slow Dungeoneers" (don't take offense, we enjoy going slowly, and some times fast too).

After being called a hundred times an idiot, being called slow tickles me just a little