Different keys for Blade of Woe and Vampire feeding ?

Uryel

So, vampire abilities are receiving an overhaul. Maybe it's time to get a tiny, minor interface update at the same time. As of today, we have ONE key for contextual actions. Anyone who is both a member of the Dark Brotherhood and a Vampire has faced that issue from time to time : you wanna feed, you use the blade of woe instead. Or the other way around. Or you try to manoeuver around your target, until the proper prompt appears, and at the very moment you press the key, the prompt changes...

So, should there be a tiny update to that too ?

VaranisArano

That would be lovely. Its one of the reasons my Silencer got herself cured.

caperb

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

On PC there is an add-on that enables you to disable certain synergy procs like the blade of woe and vampire feeding. Of course this add-on will be less useful after the patch and is unavailable for console peasants. So yes, players should be able to bind synergy promts to different keys.

Uryel

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

caperb wrote: »

On PC there is an add-on that enables you to disable certain synergy procs like the blade of woe and vampire feeding. Of course this add-on will be less useful after the patch and is unavailable for console peasants. So yes, players should be able to bind synergy promts to different keys.

Would you per chnace have the name of that addon ?

Disabling isn't ideal, I'd like to keep both options, but while waiting for an interface modification that would allow to have both in a natural manner, it might be of use

Inspiral808

I use Vampire's Woe, which works very well.

Uryel

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

Inspiral808 wrote: »

I use Vampire's Woe, which works very well.

Thanks, but it isn't what this is about. Removing the feeding from vampire isn't exactly ideal, and won't be at all when Greymoor lands, as feeding will be required for vampires to be more powerful (feeding will advance stages instead of lowering them as it is now).

Still a good addon for those who might be interested, but I'd much rather keep both options. Preferably on a different key, and as i understand it it's currently impossible even with an addon, because there is one function for all prompts. Only possibility so far is to remove prompts, unless I am very mistaken.

Hence the "time to update interface ?" poll

caperb

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

Uryel wrote: »

Inspiral808 wrote: »

I use Vampire's Woe, which works very well.

Thanks, but it isn't what this is about. Removing the feeding from vampire isn't exactly ideal, and won't be at all when Greymoor lands, as feeding will be required for vampires to be more powerful (feeding will advance stages instead of lowering them as it is now).

Still a good addon for those who might be interested, but I'd much rather keep both options. Preferably on a different key, and as i understand it it's currently impossible even with an addon, because there is one function for all prompts. Only possibility so far is to remove prompts, unless I am very mistaken.

Hence the "time to update interface ?" poll

It was Vampire's Woe I was talking about, like the other player mentioned. Once I came across another add-on that handles synergies, but couldn't find it right now.

Erelah

This does not seem to be an issue with the new vampire update. You have to be outside of the blade of woe range to feed. It is the one time vampires can teleport.

Uryel

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

Erelah wrote: »

This does not seem to be an issue with the new vampire update. You have to be outside of the blade of woe range to feed. It is the one time vampires can teleport.

Oh, that might be interesting to see then. I have watched my other half play a bit on the test server but didn't try it myself, which explains how I missed that info. Thanks

Starlock

Erelah wrote: »

This does not seem to be an issue with the new vampire update. You have to be outside of the blade of woe range to feed. It is the one time vampires can teleport.

So it basically works the same way it does now? That's good to know. Two-thirds of platforms this game runs on can't re-bind their non-existent keys, so that wouldn't be a real solution to the potential problem. The distance difference method works well enough and is pretty intuitive.

Danikat

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

I'd really like to be able to rebind them to separate keys. I know people say you can choose to use one or the other because it depends on how close you are, but on many, many occasions I've run into the problem where I get in position and then in the second or so it takes me to check I'm hidden and using the right skill the NPC moves just enough to flip it over to the other one and messes up my attack.

It's especially annoying for Dark Brotherhood dailies where you have to kill the target with the Blade of Woe.

If you think the current system works well then that's great, you could leave it as it is. I'd really like the option to separate them out.

Destai

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

Of course these things would trip over each other - how did this become the use-case?

I get that it's distance dependent, but that'll just feel clunky and what that distance is might not be communicated by the game correctly. So, give us the option to change it.

Kiralyn2000

I am not a vampire / won't be after Greymoor, and / or not part of the Dark Brotherhood, so I'm unaffected, but I wanted to have something to vote.

Thanks.

But yeah, that does sound annoying. They should do something about that.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Uryel wrote: »

Inspiral808 wrote: »

I use Vampire's Woe, which works very well.

Thanks, but it isn't what this is about. Removing the feeding from vampire isn't exactly ideal, and won't be at all when Greymoor lands, as feeding will be required for vampires to be more powerful (feeding will advance stages instead of lowering them as it is now).

Still a good addon for those who might be interested, but I'd much rather keep both options. Preferably on a different key, and as i understand it it's currently impossible even with an addon, because there is one function for all prompts. Only possibility so far is to remove prompts, unless I am very mistaken.

Hence the "time to update interface ?" poll

Try the "Vampire's Woe" add-on. It WILL do what you want. Well, not exactly, since it will not give you two different keybinds, but it will still help you a lot.
Yes it DOES suppress the vampire's synergy, and I understand that you will need it more often than ever in Greymoor, but you can install a keybind that will suppress/restore the vampire synergy in one press. Just try it out.

Vevvev

How about this idea. Hold down the Synergy button to start feeding and have a special prompt to tell you this is what you have to do. That way a single push does Blade of Woe and Push and Hold does the feed. Would help our console people out some.

fiender66

If I well remember, I found the superposition between Feed and BoW annoying on PTS too (more recent patches, ofc).
A real nuisance, for the new vampire skills merge very well with the NB skills

Michae

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

I've gotten used to it by now but a rebind option would be nice.

Uryel

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Try the "Vampire's Woe" add-on. It WILL do what you want. Well, not exactly, since it will not give you two different keybinds, but it will still help you a lot.
Yes it DOES suppress the vampire's synergy, and I understand that you will need it more often than ever in Greymoor, but you can install a keybind that will suppress/restore the vampire synergy in one press. Just try it out.

Definetely worth the try in any case, so will do. Thanks

Ratzkifal

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

This is the reason I am not doing the Dark Brotherhood quests on my vampire necro.
The passives would be great to have on a character like that, but the whole feeding/blade of Woe thing is what's keeping me from it.

Anyone knows if the Greymoor changes to synergy priority changed anything about that?

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

First two options both work for me. I am always up for more control. Honestly, the poor functionality between these two made me stop doing DB quests a while ago. This should have been addressed years ago TBH. So frustrating when you try to use one and the other happens.

Deathlord92

Having the option would be amazing it’s so frustrating when I go to feed and I end up using the blade of woe.

Sephyr

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

This is the reason I am not doing the Dark Brotherhood quests on my vampire necro.
The passives would be great to have on a character like that, but the whole feeding/blade of Woe thing is what's keeping me from it.

Anyone knows if the Greymoor changes to synergy priority changed anything about that?

Not really. Also with Vampire's Woe, if you're in close proximity to your target the feed option will NOT show up. Which makes feeding in close quarters virtually impossible, even with BOW suppressed.

Essentially, while the addon is helpful--it's not even a bandaid fix and we're likely never going to see it fixed as it's been there since 2016. Whoever designed the Dark Brotherhood clearly never played as a vampire.

Uryel

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

Ratzkifal wrote: »

This is the reason I am not doing the Dark Brotherhood quests on my vampire necro.
The passives would be great to have on a character like that, but the whole feeding/blade of Woe thing is what's keeping me from it.

As it is now, I wish I could undo the Dark Brotherhood on that character ^^

Gilvoth

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

is embarrassing that i would have to ask for something like this ... but ...

yes, i need the ability to have this function with separate keys bind and have it work properly.

not being sarcastic.
not joking.
just honest feedback.

ShawnLaRock

What’s key-binding? Kidding - but I would like to see separate buttons for BOW / Feed on console, as well.

S.

Chrysa1is

No need. Just git gud.

Who' s the legend who voted git gud? Lol

notyuu

No need. Just git gud.

Messed around with it on the pts and the system so far seems to be
0-5 meters from target = blade of woe
6-10 meters from target = teleport in and feed
6-10 meters from target animation won't work on = you telekinesis their blood out [old style vampire feeding]

side notes
you can't feed on other players anymore [for obvious reasons]
feeding in sicon form always results in the telekinesis blood steal animation
no vampire fangs
counts as murder for TG stuff most [but not all] of the time. i.e reducing timer

TheShadowScout

Yes please, let us rebind prompts to keys, and make sure we can bind different prompts to different keys.

What I would actually wish for is that both became one for vampire assassins... a "bite of woe" that counts for both feedings, and sithis-pleasing assassinations. Then we never would have to worry about the wrong one firing off ever again...
Alas. No such luck.

And thus... it would help greatly if at least we could keybind some stuff seperately.