I'm not really sure what is going on here...
MarzAttakz wrote: »I'm not sure why you've gone with Vampire's Kiss + Hist Bark though, pairing something like Ancient Dragonguard (https://eso-sets.com/set/ancient-dragonguard) or Vastarie's (https://eso-sets.com/set/vastaries-tutelage) with Shacklebreaker seems more hybrid to me, were your goals capped mitigation and high health + health regen?
On paper it feels too health focused unless going for a tank role.
Edited to add:
If I was building what you're going for, I would try to consolidate my base 5 piece set (Shacklebreaker) to armor slots (chest, hands, waist, legs, boots) so I could craft 3 versions of the set: heavy for tanking, medium for stam dps, light for mag dps + healer.
That way you're more flexible and still have space for Monster set two piece bonus, and another 5 piece bonus from jewels + weapons if you want.
MarzAttakz wrote: »I'm not sure why you've gone with Vampire's Kiss + Hist Bark though, pairing something like Ancient Dragonguard (https://eso-sets.com/set/ancient-dragonguard) or Vastarie's (https://eso-sets.com/set/vastaries-tutelage) with Shacklebreaker seems more hybrid to me, were your goals capped mitigation and high health + health regen?
On paper it feels too health focused unless going for a tank role.
Edited to add:
If I was building what you're going for, I would try to consolidate my base 5 piece set (Shacklebreaker) to armor slots (chest, hands, waist, legs, boots) so I could craft 3 versions of the set: heavy for tanking, medium for stam dps, light for mag dps + healer.
That way you're more flexible and still have space for Monster set two piece bonus, and another 5 piece bonus from jewels + weapons if you want.
You're gonna regret offering advice.
I'm not really sure what is going on here...
MarzAttakz wrote: »I'm not sure why you've gone with Vampire's Kiss + Hist Bark though, pairing something like Ancient Dragonguard (https://eso-sets.com/set/ancient-dragonguard) or Vastarie's (https://eso-sets.com/set/vastaries-tutelage) with Shacklebreaker seems more hybrid to me, were your goals capped mitigation and high health + health regen?
On paper it feels too health focused unless going for a tank role.
I'm not really sure what is going on here...
MarzAttakz wrote: »
If I understand correctly the OP has outlined their take on a single hybrid approach to fulfilling all roles with a single character without needing to respec attributes (and morphs?)...
Gotta admire the amount of thought that's gone into it.
MarzAttakz wrote: »If I was building what you're going for, I would try to consolidate my base 5 piece set (Shacklebreaker) to armor slots (chest, hands, waist, legs, boots) so I could craft 3 versions of the set: heavy for tanking, medium for stam dps, light for mag dps + healer.
That way you're more flexible and still have space for Monster set two piece bonus, and another 5 piece bonus from jewels + weapons if you want.
You're gonna regret offering advice.
For hybrids I would probably like mechanical acuity. especially since heavy armor forces you to low crit, and mechanical is stronger the less crit you have. Then again, I never tried specialising in hybrid... Maybe azurablight on weapons+jewelry combined with heavy on body and thurvakun for icing? Idk. How much can I move away from hybrid idea for it to be hybrid?
Everest_Lionheart wrote: »I tried the balanced thing out of the gate on a Khajiit warden myself. Warden has the toolkit to do all of the things and the Khajiit racial passives do boost all of the line but trying to be a jack of all trades really handcuffs you in this game. Once I decided to specialize into just stamina I found the game easier. I do need to make sure I always have food running though where on the hybrid I could manage 2 rss pools better than the one.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »MarzAttakz wrote: »I'm not sure why you've gone with Vampire's Kiss + Hist Bark though, pairing something like Ancient Dragonguard (https://eso-sets.com/set/ancient-dragonguard) or Vastarie's (https://eso-sets.com/set/vastaries-tutelage) with Shacklebreaker seems more hybrid to me, were your goals capped mitigation and high health + health regen?
On paper it feels too health focused unless going for a tank role.
You’re not sure why? One, Hist Bark offers 17-1487 Armor. That amount of armor gets to be added together with the rest of the equipment, which offers Armor. The final amount of armor plays a part of where the incoming attacks counter-against the final amount of armor. The outcome will determined the amount of value of the health being lost in battle. Secondly, Vampire’s Kiss puts 14-1206 Maximum Health into the Health Pool. Third, the Health Recovery, it will recovery any health that has been lost in battle. Which will automatically recovery, once a player sets outside the view of the target’s range of attack.
MashmalloMan wrote: »Your explanation doesn't disprove their point. By going with 2 sets, you've wasted the first piece of 2 sets earning no bonus. You've effectively turned 5 pieces in to only 3 standard bonuses.
MashmalloMan wrote: »With something like Ancient Dragonguard you earn:
Adds 1206 Maximum Health
Adds 129 Weapon Damage, Adds 129 Spell Damage
Adds 833 Weapon Critical, Adds 833 Spell Critical
Adds 300 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage while your Health is above 50%. Adds 3460 Armor while your Health is 50% or less.
Ancient Dragonguard is obviously stronger and covers both magicka and stamina like shacklebreaker, it even adds more than double the armor while 50% or below. It also includes the HP your looking for.
MashmalloMan wrote: »On your first jewelry, instead of using an HP Regen Glyph, use a tri-regen Glyph. These were released with Greymoor. Instead of +169 hp Regen you will earn +84 HP, Stamina and Magicka regen. Combined total of +252 and every stat is something you need.
MashmalloMan wrote: »If your seriously looking for something like the first 3 bonuses in a full 5 piece set... why wouldn't you just use a full 5 piece set of Hist Bark, it literally has the same bonuses except you also get Major Evasion when blocking. Vampires Kiss is completely pointless.
2 items: Adds 1487 Armor
3 items: Adds 129 Health Recovery
4 items: Adds 1206 Maximum Health
5 items: While you are blocking you gain Major Evasion, reducing damage from area attacks by 25%.
Final thought, your weapon choice would be much better suited for Ability altering sets. You should look them up. Perfected versions now give 4/5th a standard stat bonus PLUS a unique effect.
MashmalloMan wrote: »For example, you can use a Perfected Black Rose Prison Dual Wield set for +103 stamina regen and + 6% damage done and damage mitigation. You could use a Perfected Maelstrom Destruction staff for +1100 spell penetration and extra light/heavy attack damage to enemies in your wall of elements.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »Your explanation doesn't disprove their point. By going with 2 sets, you've wasted the first piece of 2 sets earning no bonus. You've effectively turned 5 pieces in to only 3 standard bonuses.
If you had actual read, you would have known that I am using three different eso sets, instead of using a single ESO set. Hist Bark, Vampire’s Kiss, and Shacklebreaker. You are claiming that I am just using two ESO set. It is actual: 129 Weapon Damage, 129 Spell Damage, 129 Stamina Recovery, 129 Magicka Recovery, 2000 Maximum Stamina, 2000 Maximum Magicka, 1487 Armor, 129 Health Recovery, and 1206 Maximum Health. It is not: 1487 Armor, 129 Health Recovery, 1206 Maximum Health.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »With something like Ancient Dragonguard you earn:
Adds 1206 Maximum Health
Adds 129 Weapon Damage, Adds 129 Spell Damage
Adds 833 Weapon Critical, Adds 833 Spell Critical
Adds 300 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage while your Health is above 50%. Adds 3460 Armor while your Health is 50% or less.
Ancient Dragonguard is obviously stronger and covers both magicka and stamina like shacklebreaker, it even adds more than double the armor while 50% or below. It also includes the HP your looking for.
The only thing that Ancient Dragonguard covers is the damage and critical. It does not cover Magicka and Stamina like Shacklebreaker, especially when Maximum Stamina and Maximum Magicka are key factors.
You can buy the Enchantments from guild traders, you don't need to own the DLC.DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »On your first jewelry, instead of using an HP Regen Glyph, use a tri-regen Glyph. These were released with Greymoor. Instead of +169 hp Regen you will earn +84 HP, Stamina and Magicka regen. Combined total of +252 and every stat is something you need.
That will only work if you have Greymoor installed.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »If your seriously looking for something like the first 3 bonuses in a full 5 piece set... why wouldn't you just use a full 5 piece set of Hist Bark, it literally has the same bonuses except you also get Major Evasion when blocking. Vampires Kiss is completely pointless.
2 items: Adds 1487 Armor
3 items: Adds 129 Health Recovery
4 items: Adds 1206 Maximum Health
5 items: While you are blocking you gain Major Evasion, reducing damage from area attacks by 25%.
Final thought, your weapon choice would be much better suited for Ability altering sets. You should look them up. Perfected versions now give 4/5th a standard stat bonus PLUS a unique effect.
Look very close of where Hist Bark is placed in the set-up.
Jewelry Set:
Necklace: Shacklebreaker. Protective trait. Health Recovery Gyphic
Ring: Shacklebreaker. Infused. Spell Damage (one ring) and Weapon Damage (another ring)
Helmet: Hist Bark. Divines. Multi-Effect
Chest: Shacklebreaker. Invigorating. Multi-Effect
Shoulder: Hist Bark.Impenetrable. Multi-Effect
Gloves: Vampire’s Kiss. Invigorating. Multi-Effect
Belt: Shacklebreaker. Divines. Multi-Effect
Pants: Vampire’s Kiss. Reinforced. Multi-Effect
Boots: Vampire Kiss. Reinforced. Multi-Effect
There is only two things or I would say a set in ESO that only fits right there. Because of those two things, complete Hist Bark Set is out of the question. Vampire’s Kiss: Maximum Health and Health Recovery can be found in Hist Bark, which means I don’t have to use Hist Bark for Maximum Health and Health Recovery, when I can find it in a different ESO set.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »Mentioning about my weapon choice? I didn’t list any types of weapons. Here is another point. You brought up Ancient Dragonguard set up. Well, I do not need to use Ancient Dragonguard, when I can find the same items in Ancient Dragonguard, in other ESO sets. When I said ‘other ESO sets’ I was including weapons as well.
Why did I need to mention that you need to make a group for that arena, it's not suppose to be a secret? A google search is all it takes, my suggestion was to spark interest in you to do the research yourself. Maelstrom Arena is also a solo experience if thats really what you're getting at. If you don't want to farm them because you think it's too difficult, thats up to you, it's only a sugguestion to help max out your build without completely changing it.DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »For example, you can use a Perfected Black Rose Prison Dual Wield set for +103 stamina regen and + 6% damage done and damage mitigation. You could use a Perfected Maelstrom Destruction staff for +1100 spell penetration and extra light/heavy attack damage to enemies in your wall of elements.
You forgot to mention to gain these items. You need to create a 4 man battle team and other important information....
About this Wall of Elements, how did you be able to come up with that, when I didn’t include Wall of Elements in my Destruction Staff skill line? Because I did posted in the beginning of wearing Heavy Armor Style and even mentioning of being a Dragonknight.
MashmalloMan wrote: »DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »Your explanation doesn't disprove their point. By going with 2 sets, you've wasted the first piece of 2 sets earning no bonus. You've effectively turned 5 pieces in to only 3 standard bonuses.
If you had actual read, you would have known that I am using three different eso sets, instead of using a single ESO set. Hist Bark, Vampire’s Kiss, and Shacklebreaker. You are claiming that I am just using two ESO set. It is actual: 129 Weapon Damage, 129 Spell Damage, 129 Stamina Recovery, 129 Magicka Recovery, 2000 Maximum Stamina, 2000 Maximum Magicka, 1487 Armor, 129 Health Recovery, and 1206 Maximum Health. It is not: 1487 Armor, 129 Health Recovery, 1206 Maximum Health.
I'll try to explain this one more time. Shacklebreaker was never in my comment, I was specifically talking about your decision to use 2 Hist Bark and 3 Vampire's Kiss.. I never once said to remove Shacklebreaker.
MashmalloMan wrote: »This is your chosen equipment setup, crossed out Vampire Kiss for Hist Bark because thats how you should be building yourself:
- Neck: Shacklebreaker
- Ring: Shacklebreaker
- Ring: Shacklebreaker
- Chest: Shacklebreaker
- Belt: Shacklebreaker
- Gloves: Vampire’s Kiss Hist Bark
- Legs: Vampire’s Kiss Hist Bark
- Boots: Vampire’s Kiss Hist Bark
- Shoulder: Hist Bark
- Helmet: Hist Bark
Do you see how you still have 5 pieces of Shacklebreaker? Notice how the first 3 bonuses of Hist Bark are identical to 2 Hist Bark + 3 Vampire's Kiss, except you also get a new bonus which gives Major Evasion while blocking by using 5 Hist Bark.
Why do this:
Hist Bark:
(2 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(3 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(4 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(5 items) While you are blocking you gain Major Evasion, reducing damage from area attacks by 25%.
Vampire's Kiss:
(2 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(3 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(4 items) Adds 4% Healing Taken
(5 items) When you kill an enemy, you heal for 5160 Health over 6 seconds.
When you can do this:
Hist Bark:
(2 items) Adds 1487 Armor
(3 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(4 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(5 items) While you are blocking you gain Major Evasion, reducing damage from area attacks by 25%.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »With something like Ancient Dragonguard you earn:
Adds 1206 Maximum Health
Adds 129 Weapon Damage, Adds 129 Spell Damage
Adds 833 Weapon Critical, Adds 833 Spell Critical
Adds 300 Weapon Damage and Spell Damage while your Health is above 50%. Adds 3460 Armor while your Health is 50% or less.
Ancient Dragonguard is obviously stronger and covers both magicka and stamina like shacklebreaker, it even adds more than double the armor while 50% or below. It also includes the HP your looking for.
The only thing that Ancient Dragonguard covers is the damage and critical. It does not cover Magicka and Stamina like Shacklebreaker, especially when Maximum Stamina and Maximum Magicka are key factors.
MashmalloMan wrote: »I never said to switch Ancient Dragonguard for Shacklebreaker. I said to consider using Ancient Dragonguard over 2 Hist Bark and 3 Vampire's Kiss. If you don't like the set, so be it, but use 5 Hist Bark instead and look at Ancient Dragonguard under that new lense. It's like Shacklebreaker in that you get stats for 2 playstyles (weapon and spell) while also being a little more tanky (health/armor bonuses).
DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »On your first jewelry, instead of using an HP Regen Glyph, use a tri-regen Glyph. These were released with Greymoor. Instead of +169 hp Regen you will earn +84 HP, Stamina and Magicka regen. Combined total of +252 and every stat is something you need.
That will only work if you have Greymoor installed.
MashmalloMan wrote: »You can buy the Enchantments from guild traders, you don't need to own the DLC.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »If your seriously looking for something like the first 3 bonuses in a full 5 piece set... why wouldn't you just use a full 5 piece set of Hist Bark, it literally has the same bonuses except you also get Major Evasion when blocking. Vampires Kiss is completely pointless.
2 items: Adds 1487 Armor
3 items: Adds 129 Health Recovery
4 items: Adds 1206 Maximum Health
5 items: While you are blocking you gain Major Evasion, reducing damage from area attacks by 25%.
Final thought, your weapon choice would be much better suited for Ability altering sets. You should look them up. Perfected versions now give 4/5th a standard stat bonus PLUS a unique effect.
Look very close of where Hist Bark is placed in the set-up.
Jewelry Set:
Necklace: Shacklebreaker. Protective trait. Health Recovery Gyphic
Ring: Shacklebreaker. Infused. Spell Damage (one ring) and Weapon Damage (another ring)
Helmet: Hist Bark. Divines. Multi-Effect
Chest: Shacklebreaker. Invigorating. Multi-Effect
Shoulder: Hist Bark.Impenetrable. Multi-Effect
Gloves: Vampire’s Kiss. Invigorating. Multi-Effect
Belt: Shacklebreaker. Divines. Multi-Effect
Pants: Vampire’s Kiss. Reinforced. Multi-Effect
Boots: Vampire Kiss. Reinforced. Multi-Effect
There is only two things or I would say a set in ESO that only fits right there. Because of those two things, complete Hist Bark Set is out of the question. Vampire’s Kiss: Maximum Health and Health Recovery can be found in Hist Bark, which means I don’t have to use Hist Bark for Maximum Health and Health Recovery, when I can find it in a different ESO set.
MashmalloMan wrote: »Head/Shoulder, what's your point? Read the top of this comment for clarifcation again. Switch Vampire's Kiss to Hist Bark.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »Mentioning about my weapon choice? I didn’t list any types of weapons. Here is another point. You brought up Ancient Dragonguard set up. Well, I do not need to use Ancient Dragonguard, when I can find the same items in Ancient Dragonguard, in other ESO sets. When I said ‘other ESO sets’ I was including weapons as well.
MashmalloMan wrote: »You listed 2 examples of weapons.. Axe of Mechanical Acuity for 129 Weapon Damage and Restoration Staff of Twilight for 1206 Maximum Health. Thus why I mentioned to take a look at the Ability Altering Weapons that can give stat bonuses AND a unique effect.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »MashmalloMan wrote: »For example, you can use a Perfected Black Rose Prison Dual Wield set for +103 stamina regen and + 6% damage done and damage mitigation. You could use a Perfected Maelstrom Destruction staff for +1100 spell penetration and extra light/heavy attack damage to enemies in your wall of elements.
You forgot to mention to gain these items. You need to create a 4 man battle team and other important information....
About this Wall of Elements, how did you be able to come up with that, when I didn’t include Wall of Elements in my Destruction Staff skill line? Because I did posted in the beginning of wearing Heavy Armor Style and even mentioning of being a Dragonknight.
That is not how that works. ESO isn't a single player game. Everybody who has played since Greymoor launched, has Greymoor downloaded. It was the most recent patch. You are not able to play without downloading this patch. All the files already exist on your computer, you just don't have access to the zone. You do have access to buying these enchants from other people, including through guild traders, and using them on your armor. The game physically will not let you login and play if you are using an outdated client that hasn't downloaded and installed Greymoor.It has nothing to do with ‘You don’t need to own the DLC’. You need to have Greymoor installed or downloaded, because there are other files involved.
That is not how that works. ESO isn't a single player game. Everybody who has played since Greymoor launched, has Greymoor downloaded. It was the most recent patch. You are not able to play without downloading this patch. All the files already exist on your computer, you just don't have access to the zone. You do have access to buying these enchants from other people, including through guild traders, and using them on your armor. The game physically will not let you login and play if you are using an outdated client that hasn't downloaded and installed Greymoor.It has nothing to do with ‘You don’t need to own the DLC’. You need to have Greymoor installed or downloaded, because there are other files involved.
MashmalloMan wrote: »@DarkLordLegion You lost me, your entire comment is busted, can you please fix the quotes?
Edit: Sorry, nevermind. You clearly have your own viewpoint here or there is a language barrier, I'm sorry if my comments confused you, but yours definitely confused me. I've explained numerous times how you can get more out of your situation. No point any longer trying to describe the nonsensical action of using 2 + 3 pieces from 2 different sets instead of 5 pieces from 1 that provides the exact same bonueses, but more. You also argued over things I never brought up in the first place like how I never suggested you to use more than 5 Shacklebreaker, but you go on to explain how 6,7, 8 pieces of Shacklebreaker do nothing. I'm aware of that.
Have a great day.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »That is not how that works. ESO isn't a single player game. Everybody who has played since Greymoor launched, has Greymoor downloaded. It was the most recent patch. You are not able to play without downloading this patch. All the files already exist on your computer, you just don't have access to the zone. You do have access to buying these enchants from other people, including through guild traders, and using them on your armor. The game physically will not let you login and play if you are using an outdated client that hasn't downloaded and installed Greymoor.It has nothing to do with ‘You don’t need to own the DLC’. You need to have Greymoor installed or downloaded, because there are other files involved.
Let me remind you something, Raisin. I never said what kind of platform I am using ESO on. Secondly, Yes, this is Massive Multiple Online Role Playing Game, which means ESO is allowing tons of players to log in and to play ESO. Third, ZOS has provided options for players to use in ESO. You can have up to nine slot, but you can also buy additional slot, IF YOU CHOICE to do so. I bet you have multiple characters on ESO.You choice yourself to have multiple characters. You choice yourself to have them play different roles. I bet Raisin, that is only way you know how to play on ESO. I truly respect that big time.
DarkLordLegion wrote: »
DarkLordLegion wrote: »