State of PVP

Fiferr

So our options are limited to solo bgs (where u get put against noobs that don't know how to play) group cyrodil (where the lagg is so intense you can't see or do a damn thing) or solo cyrodil (where it's 1v24) why are you tailoring to the people who complain battlegrounds are too hard... is that not the point? are we not supposed to work our way up to become experienced or no

WoppaBoem

Make premade que for bg happen this patch Zenimax pls, that is the only save for pvp I can see or really fix cyro but that aint happening we all know that.

ayu_fever

if you want a pvp experience that is supported by the developer, you are playing the wrong game.

Kurat

Pvp is only very small part of the game. Most people want houses, mounts, outfits and other bling and Zos is focusing what majority wants and what generates revenue. If your main interest is pvp then you are plying the wrong game.

TemplarHealz

You may think people are joking, but this isn't a PVP game anymore. Cyro has been unplayable for months. It's likely to get even worse in the coming weeks. Solo battlegrounds will leave you 3v4 50% of the time. You'll wonder how you died, and realize that you were hit with 6 dizzy swings from what can only be explained as lag. I recommend finding a game that cares about its competitive player base.

SweepsAllClowns

ayu_fever wrote: »

if you want a pvp experience that is supported by the developer, you are playing the wrong game.

Correct.

Casterial

PVPgame is for casuals who pick up the game, play for a day and quit.

Atherakhia

I think the worst part of all this is how little actual attention they give the issue. I've seen no real explanation for why the problems persist or that they're even aware of them. The fact that they have been this way for literally months (6+) is probably an indicator that they either a.) can't fix it, or b.) don't consider PvP a priority.

Berek_Bloodfang

ayu_fever wrote: »

if you want a pvp experience that is supported by the developer, you are playing the wrong game.

I haven't been playing very long, I am only CP510 atm, but what I have learned is that this post/quote is absolutely correct. I was completely mistaken to think this company has any compassion for the PvP crowd, they merely added these functions with the intent of silencing those players. They clearly have no plans to fix any of it and/or listen to our complaints and feedback.

I kickstarted and signed up for Alpha 2 of Ashes of Creation, once that opens I will be gone, unless ZoS does a complete 180 before then and fixes some of these massive "slaps in the face" of performance and changes like the "no group queue function for battlegrounds", that change was clearly made for the casual PvE player trying to get their daily XP bonus and not the PvP player who actually enjoys playing battlegrounds.

Knightpanther

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

ayu_fever wrote: »

if you want a pvp experience that is supported by the developer, you are playing the wrong game.

I haven't been playing very long, I am only CP510 atm, but what I have learned is that this post/quote is absolutely correct. I was completely mistaken to think this company has any compassion for the PvP crowd, they merely added these functions with the intent of silencing those players. They clearly have no plans to fix any of it and/or listen to our complaints and feedback.

I kickstarted and signed up for Alpha 2 of Ashes of Creation, once that opens I will be gone, unless ZoS does a complete 180 before then and fixes some of these massive "slaps in the face" of performance and changes like the "no group queue function for battlegrounds", that change was clearly made for the casual PvE player trying to get their daily XP bonus and not the PvP player who actually enjoys playing battlegrounds.

The ironic thing is ZOS shot themselves in the foot by clearly neglecting the PvP community.
I feel like ive been here before posting the same thing so bare with me.
Generally PvP is seen as the red headed stepchild of all MMOS and something that ZOS put in as an afterthought to increase the initial uptake to the game.

But they've missed a trick here by ignoring it.
When i left WOW i was not interested in ever doing PvP again as it had consumed my playtime and i thought i would never find anything as good as the OLD version of AV, then two years ago by chance i tried Cyrodiil after becoming bored with PVE.

Its by far the most fun ive had in PvP since those early days of WOW and i got the bug again, coupled with the fact that contrary to popular belief the PvP community (at least on PC EU) are a crazy funny bunch of people.
Sure there are one or two idiots but im old and can deal with that but generally the folks (especially on AD side Non CP) are a pleasure to fight with.

This is my point, with some love and attention to sort out the shocking performance issues, (how any company can think this level of service is acceptable (love to see those KPIs ZOS!)) it could be a selling point other than something they see as non important.

Its very sad really when i finally found a game where the PvP community are on the whole more mature and accepting than the PVE community (no disrespect intended dungeon'ers).

Be Safe

jadarock

Fiferr wrote: »

So our options are limited to solo bgs (where u get put against noobs that don't know how to play) group cyrodil (where the lagg is so intense you can't see or do a damn thing) or solo cyrodil (where it's 1v24) why are you tailoring to the people who complain battlegrounds are too hard... is that not the point? are we not supposed to work our way up to become experienced or no

Yep my buddy who's home due to covid just sent me a text at work saying he sent me all his mats hes done.
"Cant group que for bgs and the diil is unplayable on a competitive level" his words not mine

Casterial

As someone who has been here since pre-launch and continually played. This, this patch is the WORST patch in the history of performance. I'd soon rather take the days of 5,000 ping over this. At least my 5,000 ping abilities would work in 5 seconds. Now its like we use 1 ability and it takes 10+ seconds and 30+ button mashes.

khajiitNPC

PvP is horrendous — They should really consider shutting down Cyrodiil for a few months and just re-examine the code and themselves.

Alomar

Move on my friend, the other 99% of us did and we don't regret it.

Kalante

Yeah just move on. Why bother playing cyrodiil where everything is delayed and unresponsive. I haven't touched pvp in three weeks already. I just log in so I don't get kicked from my crafting guild for inactivity which seems kinda pointless to me now since I see zero reason to play eso anymore. This PTS from graymore is just an update for casuals. There was nothing in there for vets that could alleviate the terrible state that this game is in, from a pvp and pve end game trials perspective. Absolutely disgraceful.

kyle.wilson

paul.olesonb14_ESO wrote: »

ayu_fever wrote: »

if you want a pvp experience that is supported by the developer, you are playing the wrong game.

I haven't been playing very long, I am only CP510 atm, but what I have learned is that this post/quote is absolutely correct. I was completely mistaken to think this company has any compassion for the PvP crowd, they merely added these functions with the intent of silencing those players. They clearly have no plans to fix any of it and/or listen to our complaints and feedback.

I kickstarted and signed up for Alpha 2 of Ashes of Creation, once that opens I will be gone, unless ZoS does a complete 180 before then and fixes some of these massive "slaps in the face" of performance and changes like the "no group queue function for battlegrounds", that change was clearly made for the casual PvE player trying to get their daily XP bonus and not the PvP player who actually enjoys playing battlegrounds.

I'm still not convinced that ashes of creation isn't run by a conman. I feel that the majority of people are being catfished till they have no choice but to dump a hot mess that looks good only because of the Unreal Engine.

Does anyone play Ashes of Creation Apocolypse anymore, it was straight garbage.

Aristocles22

It's borderline unplayable. PvP needs to be completely overhauled.

ACGOG

I've never understood the "let me bash the [Snip] out of the game I'm still actively playing without providing any type of constructive criticism" from people that have "quit" the game (yet are still active on the forums... lol).

If you don't like it, then quit. No need to tell the world about it. Seems like people that play MMO's reserve the right to tell everyone their back story about why they're disgruntled with the game like the Devs are going to call them up and profusely apologize and ask their opinions on how to fix it.

BG's are fun and it's pretty rare that it's a 3v4v4. Cyro is a bit laggy sure, but it's not unplayable. It's also not like you have an ELO that's going to be affected if you lag out in either one.

You know what wasn't fun? PvPing against premades.

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khajiitNPC

I’m so sick of the PvE vs PvP arguments. Most players (and I know this might be shocking), play both PvE and PvP at competitive levels. As a community we should really a rally around each other and help the game be the best game it can be for everyone.

PvP is downright unplayable. They know it and we know it. Trials are pretty much unplayable. Overland is also suffering because Of skills not working or firing off properly. Fix your game! Do you guys not like money? I promise if you were to fix your game you’d be making so much more.

TineaCruris

ACGOG wrote: »

I've never understood the "let me bash the [Snip] out of the game I'm still actively playing without providing any type of constructive criticism" from people that have "quit" the game (yet are still active on the forums... lol).

If you don't like it, then quit. No need to tell the world about it. Seems like people that play MMO's reserve the right to tell everyone their back story about why they're disgruntled with the game like the Devs are going to call them up and profusely apologize and ask their opinions on how to fix it.

BG's are fun and it's pretty rare that it's a 3v4v4. Cyro is a bit laggy sure, but it's not unplayable. It's also not like you have an ELO that's going to be affected if you lag out in either one.

You know what wasn't fun? PvPing against premades.
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People who have spent literally thousands of dollars on this game have every right to complain; as often and in as many venues as they see fit.....until they fix the things they have been saying for years they are fixing.

Arca94

ACGOG wrote: »

I've never understood the "let me bash the [Snip] out of the game I'm still actively playing without providing any type of constructive criticism" from people that have "quit" the game (yet are still active on the forums... lol).

If you don't like it, then quit. No need to tell the world about it. Seems like people that play MMO's reserve the right to tell everyone their back story about why they're disgruntled with the game like the Devs are going to call them up and profusely apologize and ask their opinions on how to fix it.

BG's are fun and it's pretty rare that it's a 3v4v4. Cyro is a bit laggy sure, but it's not unplayable. It's also not like you have an ELO that's going to be affected if you lag out in either one.

You know what wasn't fun? PvPing against premades.
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The answer is really quite simple:

We actually care about the game - that is why we complain while it's going downhill.

We enjoy it enough that seeing the game mistreated in such a way is incredibly frustrating.

The situation is worsened by the lack of transparency and communication from the devs, which leave us believing that they either: don't know how to fix it, or just don't care enough to fix it.

I don't understand how some people can't understand that.

valeriiya

ACGOG wrote: »

I've never understood the "let me bash the [Snip] out of the game I'm still actively playing without providing any type of constructive criticism" from people that have "quit" the game (yet are still active on the forums... lol).

If you don't like it, then quit. No need to tell the world about it. Seems like people that play MMO's reserve the right to tell everyone their back story about why they're disgruntled with the game like the Devs are going to call them up and profusely apologize and ask their opinions on how to fix it.

BG's are fun and it's pretty rare that it's a 3v4v4. Cyro is a bit laggy sure, but it's not unplayable. It's also not like you have an ELO that's going to be affected if you lag out in either one.

You know what wasn't fun? PvPing against premades.
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We provided videos, tickets, constructive criticism for YEARS on these issues.
If PvP hadn't been so heavily marketed in the beginning we probably wouldn't be here.
We're here because when the game works, it's amazing and fun to play. Right now I can't bar swap, skills aren't working, load screens are back and stronger than ever. There's still rubber banding, still getting stuck in walls.
We get upset because time after time we're told they're working on it and it's going to be fixed but they actually break it even more.
2 years ago they promised better communication, look where we are. (I'm with you on the pre-mades in BG's)

For everyone else; someone else posted this and I can't find the link but, this game isn't for us anymore. Us being the people here and upset about performance. This game is for the casuals on Facebook or Twitter that only see sunshine and rainbows. When ZOS made the decision years ago to hire a Monetization Manager, the game changed and will never go back and it sucks.

ACGOG

TineaCruris wrote: »

People who have spent literally thousands of dollars on this game have every right to complain; as often and in as many venues as they see fit.....until they fix the things they have been saying for years they are fixing.

I totally understand this point of view. My argument is that people are complaining without offering anything constructive.

Arca94 wrote: »

The answer is really quite simple:

We actually care about the game - that is why we complain while it's going downhill.

We enjoy it enough that seeing the game mistreated in such a way is incredibly frustrating.

The situation is worsened by the lack of transparency and communication from the devs, which leave us believing that they either: don't know how to fix it, or just don't care enough to fix it.

I don't understand how some people can't understand that.

See, here are a few specific examples of why you feel the game is going downhill and why you're frustrated. This is much better than saying "[Snip] this game, I quit, lulz it blows and you can't have fun." I don't understand myself why people think that bashing the game - again, without offering anything constructive or specific - is going to accomplish anything.

valeriiya wrote: »

We provided videos, tickets, constructive criticism for YEARS on these issues.
If PvP hadn't been so heavily marketed in the beginning we probably wouldn't be here.
We're here because when the game works, it's amazing and fun to play. Right now I can't bar swap, skills aren't working, load screens are back and stronger than ever. There's still rubber banding, still getting stuck in walls.
We get upset because time after time we're told they're working on it and it's going to be fixed but they actually break it even more.
2 years ago they promised better communication, look where we are. (I'm with you on the pre-mades in BG's)

For everyone else; someone else posted this and I can't find the link but, this game isn't for us anymore. Us being the people here and upset about performance. This game is for the casuals on Facebook or Twitter that only see sunshine and rainbows. When ZOS made the decision years ago to hire a Monetization Manager, the game changed and will never go back and it sucks.

This is stuff that should be bubbled up. If there are tickets and evidence that the game is broken why isn't that plastered all over the front page? Why aren't there tons of threads with specifics that Zos could investigate and look into? There's one other thread about lag here on the 1st page of General and that seems to be about it. However, I LOVE the "Fix Your PvP" thread that's *definitely* not a "bait or flame thread" (lmfaoooo) where he just [Snip] all over the state of PvP (his opinion) without citing anything specific and calls Zos incompetent. What is he hoping to solve? You think someone is going to see that thread and reach out to him for help or take any ideas he has from then forward seriously?

You guys might have been dealing with this for a while but I'm approaching this from the perspective of a new player and there's nothing in anything I've seen that has any semblance of a solution or a suggestion that's even somewhat realistic (they're not going to take the game offline). If you think it's really worth fighting for and you're really invested in it that much then I think you'd accomplish a lot more with a different approach.

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Arca94

@ACGOG

Fact is, people have been offerring constructive advice to ZOS for years, yes years.

People submit bug reports, people submit videos of how nothing is working, people explain the problems they're having. People even make reasonable suggestions of how to change aspects of the combat to try to reduce server load.

It all falls on deaf ears. All that has happened is that the performance has degraded even further. It is utterly shambolic that their 'Performance improvement' roadmap has done nothing but make it significantly worse.

So rightfully, people are upset. They feel like the game they love is being neglected and mismanaged. Their constructive feedback is entirely ignored, so they find a way to vent.

I've seen fantastically written threads on this forum which go into significant detail about the problems the game faces and how the devs could improve it. Most of the time they just get locked or deleted.

We've tried the constructive approach for years and the game has only gotten worse. At least the bashing approach is more effective at conveying our dissatifaction with the game.

SosRuvaak

as someone who grew through 4 years of pure pvp on eso, im not just talking about my toons, i mean myself personally, as someone who has grown soo much through soo much enjoyment of the game, its come time to conclude that its no longer playable in the enjoyable way once ever felt. Pvp is ignored by the devs, they dont care.

time to move on... the less you hold yourself back from accepting that pvp in this game is dead, the better off you will be for yourself. its too frustrating relying on abilities/attacks that refuse to go off.

go back to skyrim, oblivion, morrowind...
go back to the original elder scrolls games and stop putting time into a game that doesnt work most of the time. atleast you can fix some bugs manually in the OG games.

Valabrog

ayu_fever wrote: »

if you want a pvp experience that is supported by the developer, you are playing the wrong game.

Can you tell me pls which mmorpg has decent pvp support?

Valabrog

ACGOG wrote: »

TineaCruris wrote: »

People who have spent literally thousands of dollars on this game have every right to complain; as often and in as many venues as they see fit.....until they fix the things they have been saying for years they are fixing.

I totally understand this point of view. My argument is that people are complaining without offering anything constructive.

Arca94 wrote: »

The answer is really quite simple:

We actually care about the game - that is why we complain while it's going downhill.

We enjoy it enough that seeing the game mistreated in such a way is incredibly frustrating.

The situation is worsened by the lack of transparency and communication from the devs, which leave us believing that they either: don't know how to fix it, or just don't care enough to fix it.

I don't understand how some people can't understand that.

See, here are a few specific examples of why you feel the game is going downhill and why you're frustrated. This is much better than saying "[Snip] this game, I quit, lulz it blows and you can't have fun." I don't understand myself why people think that bashing the game - again, without offering anything constructive or specific - is going to accomplish anything.

valeriiya wrote: »

We provided videos, tickets, constructive criticism for YEARS on these issues.
If PvP hadn't been so heavily marketed in the beginning we probably wouldn't be here.
We're here because when the game works, it's amazing and fun to play. Right now I can't bar swap, skills aren't working, load screens are back and stronger than ever. There's still rubber banding, still getting stuck in walls.
We get upset because time after time we're told they're working on it and it's going to be fixed but they actually break it even more.
2 years ago they promised better communication, look where we are. (I'm with you on the pre-mades in BG's)

For everyone else; someone else posted this and I can't find the link but, this game isn't for us anymore. Us being the people here and upset about performance. This game is for the casuals on Facebook or Twitter that only see sunshine and rainbows. When ZOS made the decision years ago to hire a Monetization Manager, the game changed and will never go back and it sucks.

This is stuff that should be bubbled up. If there are tickets and evidence that the game is broken why isn't that plastered all over the front page? Why aren't there tons of threads with specifics that Zos could investigate and look into? There's one other thread about lag here on the 1st page of General and that seems to be about it. However, I LOVE the "Fix Your PvP" thread that's *definitely* not a "bait or flame thread" (lmfaoooo) where he just [Snip] all over the state of PvP (his opinion) without citing anything specific and calls Zos incompetent. What is he hoping to solve? You think someone is going to see that thread and reach out to him for help or take any ideas he has from then forward seriously?

You guys might have been dealing with this for a while but I'm approaching this from the perspective of a new player and there's nothing in anything I've seen that has any semblance of a solution or a suggestion that's even somewhat realistic (they're not going to take the game offline). If you think it's really worth fighting for and you're really invested in it that much then I think you'd accomplish a lot more with a different approach.
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Have you been i Cyrodiil on a prime time? You cant summon your horse in an empty field without delay and in 20 vs 20 combat you cannot fire of your skill without 2-3 seconds delay. In game where pvp combat is based on quick reaction. Thousands of players experience that and ZOS 150% knows that for months. I filled 10 reports and started 3 topics about thay in past months. Why would i do that again? They have more reports than they can handle.

Atherakhia

I think the best way to summarize the current state of PvP in ESO is.... LOL.

For starters, half of it's completely unplayable for the majority of the day. It may as well be a giant chat room at this point. The remaining PVP available can't even be done with friends without exploiting queue times. So no PvP multiplayer support in this MMO.

That's just the hardware/performance side. The laughable state in overall balance isn't even worth discussing until we can actually play the game.

Valabrog

If they wount fix Cyrodiil or at least part of its problems till the end of summer, i wount stay.

As for BG - solo queue is cool, at last i can feel competitive if I queue alone. There should be added team queue as different branch.

Lotus781

ACGOG wrote: »

I've never understood the "let me bash the [Snip] out of the game I'm still actively playing without providing any type of constructive criticism" from people that have "quit" the game (yet are still active on the forums... lol).

If you don't like it, then quit. No need to tell the world about it. Seems like people that play MMO's reserve the right to tell everyone their back story about why they're disgruntled with the game like the Devs are going to call them up and profusely apologize and ask their opinions on how to fix it.

BG's are fun and it's pretty rare that it's a 3v4v4. Cyro is a bit laggy sure, but it's not unplayable. It's also not like you have an ELO that's going to be affected if you lag out in either one.

You know what wasn't fun? PvPing against premades.
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I know ,they have my number and they still haven't called, what's up with that?

Berek_Bloodfang

ACGOG wrote: »

I've never understood the "let me bash the [Snip] out of the game I'm still actively playing without providing any type of constructive criticism" from people that have "quit" the game (yet are still active on the forums... lol).

If you don't like it, then quit. No need to tell the world about it. Seems like people that play MMO's reserve the right to tell everyone their back story about why they're disgruntled with the game like the Devs are going to call them up and profusely apologize and ask their opinions on how to fix it.

BG's are fun and it's pretty rare that it's a 3v4v4. Cyro is a bit laggy sure, but it's not unplayable. It's also not like you have an ELO that's going to be affected if you lag out in either one.

You know what wasn't fun? PvPing against premades.
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Here is why, most of us paid $$$ for the game, with the expectation that what is available in game would continue to be available and or playable.... It has become a "bait and switch" tactic as of late..

You want to queue up with your friends for battlegrounds? You paid for it, it was available, however it no longer is available. Can I have a refund? No.

I paid for the game to play Cyrodiil, was I able to play it? Yes. Am I able to play it now? No, the server latency issues have become so bad it is unplayable. Can I have a refund? No.

That is why we are so upset, we want to provide a "buyer beware" for those who are looking to ESO for PvP content.