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Expanding Skill Advisor and Dungeon Finder
Castian
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Before I make suggestions I want to share my experience on a pledge this morning. A 228 CP Mag Warden que'd for the wayrest 2 on Vet as DPS. I was the tank. On the first swarm of trash mobs the targets were going down at the pace you would expect to burn down a mini-boss. At this point I raised the question was everyone ready and he said "Wait I need to put my purple stuff on." The run wasn't improving and I asked him what he was wearing. Ilambris monster set, rattlecage and a healer set that he did not elaborate on. He wasn't using any fire abilities for the additional proc on ilambris and despite queing as dps he was wearing a healer set b/c "I am not always dps." I didn't initiate a kick vote out of pity though I know a great many other high cp players wouldn't have hesitated because of the drag in performance. At the end of the run I advised googling Mag Warden DPS because I've zero experience on warden.
Personally I've never made use of Skill Advisor, but I can understand then the purpose it can serve. I believe there are some additions to it that could further help the novices.
I respect that guide makers are promoted on the website for helping to teach the player base, but that doesn't appear in Skill Advisor or on the game launcher. I believe it could be beneficial to reference them on the Skill Advisor because I do not think it would be practical to expect it to teach a player about weaving the skill selection together and properly rotating for performance.
The other addition I think would be beneficial to Skill Advisor other then the listing of primary stat would be to recommend overland sets that combine to compliment the skill build that the Advisor is assembling for them. Pointing the players in a direction for equipment would also be promoting content exploration.
Regarding Dungeon Finder, I think there should be qualifiers for queing Veteran dungeons through Dungeon Finder. I've seen this mentioned before and I believe it should be given a consideration.
DPS at one point should have to perform on a training dummy to meet a minimum DPS criteria in chosen set of gear and I don't mean something excessive like 40k+. A fair few start doing Vet just because the dungeon finder will roll them over to it after hitting CP and they are often out of their depth, separate from those who misguidedly believe they are prepared. Qualifying like this could help to skim what some call toxicity from players being attacked in chat for their performance and/or kicked from party.
Personally I've never made use of Skill Advisor, but I can understand then the purpose it can serve. I believe there are some additions to it that could further help the novices.
I respect that guide makers are promoted on the website for helping to teach the player base, but that doesn't appear in Skill Advisor or on the game launcher. I believe it could be beneficial to reference them on the Skill Advisor because I do not think it would be practical to expect it to teach a player about weaving the skill selection together and properly rotating for performance.
The other addition I think would be beneficial to Skill Advisor other then the listing of primary stat would be to recommend overland sets that combine to compliment the skill build that the Advisor is assembling for them. Pointing the players in a direction for equipment would also be promoting content exploration.
Regarding Dungeon Finder, I think there should be qualifiers for queing Veteran dungeons through Dungeon Finder. I've seen this mentioned before and I believe it should be given a consideration.
DPS at one point should have to perform on a training dummy to meet a minimum DPS criteria in chosen set of gear and I don't mean something excessive like 40k+. A fair few start doing Vet just because the dungeon finder will roll them over to it after hitting CP and they are often out of their depth, separate from those who misguidedly believe they are prepared. Qualifying like this could help to skim what some call toxicity from players being attacked in chat for their performance and/or kicked from party.
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Regarding Dungeon Finder, I think there should be qualifiers for queing Veteran dungeons through Dungeon Finder.
No, @Castian.
If you need a certain outcome from a dungeon (in your example just a clear), don't use the dungeon finder.
Find a pre-made group instead.
The dungeon finder does exactly what it's supposed to ... it "finds" three other players in the roles they queued for.
Anything beyond that is not the purpose of the dungeon finder.
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✭✭Maybe you should queue as a dps yourself and burn everything to the ground. Alot of tanks are complaining about low group dps and then act like entitled jerks because they can. There's shortage of tanks and that allows them to make demands to other roles in group. No one is gonna kick tanks from group, unless they are fake. So they can pretty much do or say what they want. And if things dont go their way, then they can simply leave and let rest of the group wait for another tank or disband. But alot of the tanks are not that great themselves. Most pug tanks dont wear any group support sets, use crusher etc. Some dont stack mobs and some cant even stay alive or hold boss still. But no one gonna say anything usually because everyone knows if tank leaves it's over for everyone and back to long queue basically. So there's alot of bad players switching to tanking lately because of this. They cant pull decent dps themselves and getting hate and kicked even, but rolling a tank makes you a good player? Maybe they should also implement some kind of tank qualifier like OP suggested for dps?0 -
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✭✭It would help a lot If the tooltips for each skill and item sets in the game would offer a “expanded” area you could select that would tell thing such as what CP points buff or protect against the skill or set. It would also help to know what type of damage the skill is considered and what buffs or protects against it.0 -
Castian✭✭✭@Taleof2Cities , I disagree.Taleof2Cities wrote: »
If you need a certain outcome from a dungeon (in your example just a clear), don't use the dungeon finder.
it "finds" three other players in the roles they queued for.
A clear is the intended basic outcome of using Dungeon Finder.
It does find three other players, but for roles that are actually being queued for is debatable at times as @Kurat points out about fake tanks. Because it is not as if in City of Ash 2 a party will run out of platforms to stand on and end up in the lava fighting Valkyn Skoria will they?
Do you suggest then that anyone who makes use of Dungeon Finder is entitled to say "Dungeon Finder found me queuing for this, it should have worked out"? That seems like a disservice to the players using it. It is similar to the line drawn between Maelstrom Arena and Veteran Maelstrom Arena, there are very different outcome potentials based on your capabilities and preparedness. And I am relatively certain no one has ever remarked, "I appreciated getting vote kicked from party, that was great."
That isn't just tanks. It is anyone in party; the other DPS carrying or the healer curing the same fight for six minutes.Alot of tanks are complaining about low group dps and then act like entitled jerks because they can.
Seems fair. While playing DPS and Healer roles I have seen my share of your complaint as well. Your remark about group buff gear ect. leans either on on the tanks comfort level of survival and/or experience in the role. Best one could hope for is a resistance check and taunt skill slot check.So there's alot of bad players switching to tanking lately because of this. They cant pull decent dps themselves and getting hate and kicked even, but rolling a tank makes you a good player? Maybe they should also implement some kind of tank qualifier like OP suggested for dps?
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