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Dualwield Ultimate is Overperforming!
OlumoGarbag
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Its dealing insane Damage while also healing you...
No one agrees?
With the change to asylum dualwield, dualwield ult became the single most useless ult in the game. It kind of was already the worst ult, but they managed to make it even weaker.
Seriously the ult needs some changes.
For example Thrive in Chaos could lose the healing, but deals the same damage as rend, just over 8 second. Which would make it usefull for PvE and PvP espacially against multiple enemys. Bc that is what dualwield was meant to be, a strong aoe skilline whith spin2win.
Also dualweild has the weakest non-ultimate skill in the game. Flying blade is such a terrible skill to use and no one asked for shrouded dagger to be nerfed as hard as it was.
2h has onslaught, dizzy, momentum, executioner, cleave and even crit rush will be strong with maelstrom changes
No one agrees?
With the change to asylum dualwield, dualwield ult became the single most useless ult in the game. It kind of was already the worst ult, but they managed to make it even weaker.
Seriously the ult needs some changes.
For example Thrive in Chaos could lose the healing, but deals the same damage as rend, just over 8 second. Which would make it usefull for PvE and PvP espacially against multiple enemys. Bc that is what dualwield was meant to be, a strong aoe skilline whith spin2win.
Also dualweild has the weakest non-ultimate skill in the game. Flying blade is such a terrible skill to use and no one asked for shrouded dagger to be nerfed as hard as it was.
2h has onslaught, dizzy, momentum, executioner, cleave and even crit rush will be strong with maelstrom changes
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✭✭✭✭✭Dumb jokeEdited by max_only on May 14, 2020 11:02PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭✭✭✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »
Sorry I didn’t realize that was your real name. I take it back. I don’t mess around like that.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »
Sorry I didn’t realize that was your real name. I take it back. I don’t mess around like that.
Yeah my parents couldnt decide if i should take my moms or my dads last name, so instead they used random orc name generator https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/orc_wow_names.phpclass representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »
Sorry I didn’t realize that was your real name. I take it back. I don’t mess around like that.
Yeah my parents couldnt decide if i should take my moms or my dads last name, so instead they used random orc name generator https://www.fantasynamegenerators.com/orc_wow_names.php
I played myself.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »Also dualweild has the weakest non-ultimate skill in the game. Flying blade is such a terrible skill to use and no one asked for shrouded dagger to be nerfed as hard as it was
the daggers are underestimated. In pve interupting from range as melee is a very nice welcome, and also gives the buff. It's my fav ability on my stamplar. The damage is also equal to any ability, it even makes a decent spammable. And in pvp it has the same dps at snipe, but it interrupts too and hits multiple targets.-PC EU- / battlegrounds on my youtube2 -
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✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »Also dualweild has the weakest non-ultimate skill in the game. Flying blade is such a terrible skill to use and no one asked for shrouded dagger to be nerfed as hard as it was
the daggers are underestimated. In pve interupting from range as melee is a very nice welcome, and also gives the buff. It's my fav ability on my stamplar. The damage is also equal to any ability, it even makes a decent spammable. And in pvp it has the same dps at snipe, but it interrupts too and hits multiple targets.
Its definetly lot less dps then snipe. Its weirdly ranged so no light attack as well and it costs more since its considered AoE. I did like the skill pre nerf and it was underrated. But now its just in a weird spot. To expensive to be used as spammable, not enough damage to replace spin2win as Aoe. The other morph is expensive as well, no other gapcloser in the game costs 7,2k base cost and takes 2 global cooldown to gapclose.
On top of that, the next arena weapon will be with flying/shrouded dagger. If it doesent reduce the cost and/or gives something nice it will be trash again.Edited by OlumoGarbag on May 15, 2020 7:19AMclass representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling0 -
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✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »Also dualweild has the weakest non-ultimate skill in the game. Flying blade is such a terrible skill to use and no one asked for shrouded dagger to be nerfed as hard as it was
the daggers are underestimated. In pve interupting from range as melee is a very nice welcome, and also gives the buff. It's my fav ability on my stamplar. The damage is also equal to any ability, it even makes a decent spammable. And in pvp it has the same dps at snipe, but it interrupts too and hits multiple targets.
Agree that Shrouded Daggers are really nice in PvE. I tend to use it as a cheap way of getting Major Brutality, damage a few targets and often an interrupt. Maybe not something you use for vet trials, but it's awesome for solo play and normal pugs.4 -
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✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »Also dualweild has the weakest non-ultimate skill in the game. Flying blade is such a terrible skill to use and no one asked for shrouded dagger to be nerfed as hard as it was
the daggers are underestimated. In pve interupting from range as melee is a very nice welcome, and also gives the buff. It's my fav ability on my stamplar. The damage is also equal to any ability, it even makes a decent spammable. And in pvp it has the same dps at snipe, but it interrupts too and hits multiple targets.
Agree that Shrouded Daggers are really nice in PvE. I tend to use it as a cheap way of getting Major Brutality, damage a few targets and often an interrupt. Maybe not something you use for vet trials, but it's awesome for solo play and normal pugs.
Agreed, I also use it on my Stamplar for vet pledges so I can use regular stam pots.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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finehair✭✭✭✭I like the heal over time stuff on dual wield skill line. But yeah its ultimate might be the worst ultimate in the game. Basically useless in pvp since it can be cleansed. Also less damage than dawnbreaker.
Maybe if it dealt more damage or had a stun on itself it could be useful. Since there are no stunning ability in dual wield skill line. Other than shrouded dagger, if your target is casting.1 -
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...and then...OlumoGarbag wrote: »Dualwield Ultimate is Overperforming!
...which makes me confused now - is it "overperforming" or "useless"??? Make up your mind!OlumoGarbag wrote: »With the change to asylum dualwield, dualwield ult became the single most useless ult in the game.
Personally I can only say for my DW characters, it is doing okay. Not "must slot" OP, not "won't slot" useless, but okay.
Nah. Don't see it.OlumoGarbag wrote: »Bc that is what dualwield was meant to be, a strong aoe skilline whith spin2win.
I always thought DW was more meant as a strong single target "sneak up and assassinate them" skill line, and they changed things around... it just so happened it got known for ONE particular slightly OP skill that most everyone uses to grindwank their way through masses of mobs... frankly, half the skill lines have a decent AoE skill, some got nerfed for being too decent, others... are just what they are.
But DW was never all that AoE-centered as a skill line... I mean, if you really want to do AoE ouch times, you might grab a destro staff with pulsar and Eye of Storm, right? And DW has some other skills without any AoE too, so there is that...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Add Heal Absorption (which can't be purged?) or Major Defile on Thrive in Chaos and it would be serviceable for PvP.
Then bump the damage of Rend (extend the duration instead of increasing its per tick damage) up to make it viable for PvE.
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Luckylancer✭✭✭✭✭DW ult is totaly useless at PvP. I dont think it was designed for PvP in firt place. So as long as it is balanced in PvE, it doesnt matter.
How to make it usefull in PvP: add a burst or cc component. But it is not that important.
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[Edited for bait]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on May 16, 2020 4:59PM0 -
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✭✭Yet another useless feature in a skill line of useless features.
The history of DW goes like this:
Backbar master DW for Twin Slashes
3 months of OP dots
Backbar DW BRP.
Where as 2h and SnB front bar or backbar, have produced 90% of the PvP stamina builds for all classes, since the begining of the game.
Nice abilities, unlike the glitchy ones in DW, nice bonus effects and tools such as debuffs, CC, gapclosers, spammables, executions. OP ulties. Solid passives.
Not even one Dev from Zos has ever cared to make DW fun for PvP. But hey, use a Dual Wield ability to reduce incoming dmg = DW is OP.
Edited by GeorgeBlack on May 16, 2020 4:56AM2
