Rapid Regeneration/ Mutagen Diatribe Incoming

Icarus42

I have my stick and a dead horse and I shall beateth said horse back to wence it came.

Zenimax can you please for the love of all thats holy give us a magic version of Vigor instead of this random, I don't know where its going to go heal that is Rapid Regen and Mutagen. Respectfully this skill is so frustrating, as my health is reaching zero and the heal goes onto the freaking full health Nord Tank next to me! Then I look over at some dude just roll dodging into a Vigor and no problem the heal hits him or her everytime, WOW!

Also as a magic sorc our kit is kinda limited to dark exchange or twilight saga bird thing which I cant stand, and dark exchange is super fun during the amazing lag spikes, let me tell you! I do not like rolling with two shields and don't get me started with Rapid Regens step brother the illustrious Healing Ward! Now I understand you need to keep healers viable or whatever the reason, but seriously Vigor heals you everytime, so whats the point of the random thing?!?

Please do the right thing, I know you want to... and make Rapid Regen/ Mutagen the magic users Vigor! There is my rant / diatribe, i will put down the stick and hand it to someone else now, I am done!

Firstmep

Make rapid regen only heal the caster.
Shouldve happened when they reworked the skill IMHO.

Jaimeh

Icarus42 wrote: »

Also as a magic sorc our kit is kinda limited to dark exchange or twilight saga bird thing which I cant stand, and dark exchange is super fun during the amazing lag spikes, let me tell you! I do not like rolling with two shields and don't get me started with Rapid Regens step brother the illustrious Healing Ward! Now I understand you need to keep healers viable or whatever the reason, but seriously Vigor heals you everytime, so whats the point of the random thing?!?

Sorcs have crit surge, one of the most fantastic skills in the game. Why would you use any of the above instead of it?

Sanctum74

Jaimeh wrote: »

Icarus42 wrote: »

Also as a magic sorc our kit is kinda limited to dark exchange or twilight saga bird thing which I cant stand, and dark exchange is super fun during the amazing lag spikes, let me tell you! I do not like rolling with two shields and don't get me started with Rapid Regens step brother the illustrious Healing Ward! Now I understand you need to keep healers viable or whatever the reason, but seriously Vigor heals you everytime, so whats the point of the random thing?!?

Sorcs have crit surge, one of the most fantastic skills in the game. Why would you use any of the above instead of it?

Crit surge isn’t very effective on a delayed burst class.

Icarus42

I knew someone would mention crit surge. Thanks dude didnt know i could use that! But thats not the point of this is it?

Jaimeh

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

Icarus42 wrote: »

Also as a magic sorc our kit is kinda limited to dark exchange or twilight saga bird thing which I cant stand, and dark exchange is super fun during the amazing lag spikes, let me tell you! I do not like rolling with two shields and don't get me started with Rapid Regens step brother the illustrious Healing Ward! Now I understand you need to keep healers viable or whatever the reason, but seriously Vigor heals you everytime, so whats the point of the random thing?!?

Sorcs have crit surge, one of the most fantastic skills in the game. Why would you use any of the above instead of it?

Crit surge isn’t very effective on a delayed burst class.

It ticks so often than barring any bad mistake on the player's part, you wouldn't need a burst heal (which if you are worried about, you have the bird), and even then, frags proc pretty often (which also heals you via the passive). It's honestly one of the best conditional heals in the game.

Icarus42

The point is that Stamina users have a viable reliable heal in Vigor and magic users dont. It has nothing to do with sorcs crit surge or sorcs i was just using an example.

Jaimeh

Icarus42 wrote: »

I knew someone would mention crit surge. Thanks dude didnt know i could use that! But thats not the point of this is it?

Try it, it will change your sorc life. I speak from experience, as I played a sorc with a resto staff until ~CP300+ As for mutagen, it'd be nice if one of the morphs had a guarranteed heal on the caster like ward does, but I think a magicka vigor skill combined with accesss to shields would be too OP in PvP.

Icarus42

Ok i will use crit surge thank you for the advice!

Goregrinder

Yeah Idk what they were thinking with it. One morph should be cast on yourself 100% of the time, and the other should jump to the target that needs a heal. Both of them jumping to the target that needs a heal makes no sense.

Giljabrar

Targets me just fine *when I'm not zergling lul*

AmoralOne

Simple answer: Dont play in a zerg.

Longer answer: If you are in a ball group you should have other magic classes tossing the skill around as well, not to mention the healer you most likely have.

Ill be the first one to agree the skill should be reworked to only heal the caster, and 1 random, and I will also be the first one to agree the skill should not stack with others.

Kadoin

DTAmoral wrote: »

Simple answer: Dont play in a zerg.

Longer answer: If you are in a ball group you should have other magic classes tossing the skill around as well, not to mention the healer you most likely have.

Ill be the first one to agree the skill should be reworked to only heal the caster, and 1 random, and I will also be the first one to agree the skill should not stack with others.

Kinda hard when every faction stacks to get anything done. ZOS changes really just favor the many patch after patch and yet they are surprised zerging is the only mode of combat happening...

wheem_ESO

DTAmoral wrote: »

Simple answer: Dont play in a zerg.

Longer answer: If you are in a ball group you should have other magic classes tossing the skill around as well, not to mention the healer you most likely have.

Ill be the first one to agree the skill should be reworked to only heal the caster, and 1 random, and I will also be the first one to agree the skill should not stack with others.

How about when I'm playing in a Battleground, where zerging isn't a thing, and 1-3 GCDs worth of Rapid Regeneration go to people who are at >= 90% HP and not actively taking damage, instead of the one guy who's getting dogpiled and is near death?

One of my favorite anecdotes happened in a Domination game on the Arcane University map a while back. Two teammates + myself were capturing the flag in the main, interior structure, and were all full health and not in combat. The 4th player on our team dropped down from above with an enemy player on his heels, and was immediately stunned while apparently out of stamina. I stepped forward to try and support him, while the other two players on our team didn't seem to notice the fight (at least not right away). My first Rapid Regeneration cast went to one of the full health/no-combat teammates standing behind me at the flag. My second Rapid Regeneration cast went to the other full health/no-combat teammate standing behind me at the flag.

Aedaryl

Jaimeh wrote: »

Icarus42 wrote: »

Also as a magic sorc our kit is kinda limited to dark exchange or twilight saga bird thing which I cant stand, and dark exchange is super fun during the amazing lag spikes, let me tell you! I do not like rolling with two shields and don't get me started with Rapid Regens step brother the illustrious Healing Ward! Now I understand you need to keep healers viable or whatever the reason, but seriously Vigor heals you everytime, so whats the point of the random thing?!?

Sorcs have crit surge, one of the most fantastic skills in the game. Why would you use any of the above instead of it?

Malacath's Band of Brutality.

SebDeTyra

Mag sorc complaining lol

HankTwo

I think there is a compromise everybody could agree on: Make rapid regeneration a targeted heal like templars breath of life or wardens living trellis. So, if you aim at an ally thats low on health the heal will hit them, but if you aim at no ally at all the heal will 100% of the time go to yourself, even if there are allies low on health around. Radiating regeneration on the other hand could stay the same imo.

Q_Q

Icarus42 wrote: »

I have my stick and a dead horse and I shall beateth said horse back to wence it came.

Zenimax can you please for the love of all thats holy give us a magic version of Vigor instead of this random, I don't know where its going to go heal that is Rapid Regen and Mutagen. Respectfully this skill is so frustrating, as my health is reaching zero and the heal goes onto the freaking full health Nord Tank next to me! Then I look over at some dude just roll dodging into a Vigor and no problem the heal hits him or her everytime, WOW!

Also as a magic sorc our kit is kinda limited to dark exchange or twilight saga bird thing which I cant stand, and dark exchange is super fun during the amazing lag spikes, let me tell you! I do not like rolling with two shields and don't get me started with Rapid Regens step brother the illustrious Healing Ward! Now I understand you need to keep healers viable or whatever the reason, but seriously Vigor heals you everytime, so whats the point of the random thing?!?

Please do the right thing, I know you want to... and make Rapid Regen/ Mutagen the magic users Vigor! There is my rant / diatribe, i will put down the stick and hand it to someone else now, I am done!

This is ez fix. Play solo. I play as far away from my alliance as I can that was I always get my regen...if I remember to cast it xD

HowlKimchi

i'm never a fan of "mag version of x stam skill plz" or vice versa. This game is already homogenized enough.

wheem_ESO

Q_Q wrote: »

Icarus42 wrote: »

I have my stick and a dead horse and I shall beateth said horse back to wence it came.

Zenimax can you please for the love of all thats holy give us a magic version of Vigor instead of this random, I don't know where its going to go heal that is Rapid Regen and Mutagen. Respectfully this skill is so frustrating, as my health is reaching zero and the heal goes onto the freaking full health Nord Tank next to me! Then I look over at some dude just roll dodging into a Vigor and no problem the heal hits him or her everytime, WOW!

Also as a magic sorc our kit is kinda limited to dark exchange or twilight saga bird thing which I cant stand, and dark exchange is super fun during the amazing lag spikes, let me tell you! I do not like rolling with two shields and don't get me started with Rapid Regens step brother the illustrious Healing Ward! Now I understand you need to keep healers viable or whatever the reason, but seriously Vigor heals you everytime, so whats the point of the random thing?!?

Please do the right thing, I know you want to... and make Rapid Regen/ Mutagen the magic users Vigor! There is my rant / diatribe, i will put down the stick and hand it to someone else now, I am done!

This is ez fix. Play solo. I play as far away from my alliance as I can that was I always get my regen...if I remember to cast it xD

I'm sure that works great for Cyrodiil. Battlegrounds? Not so much.

HaruKamui wrote: »

i'm never a fan of "mag version of x stam skill plz" or vice versa. This game is already homogenized enough.

Magicka builds, aside from DK I guess, need more reliable self healing options. It doesn't need to be a copy of Vigor or Rally, but there needs to be a way to ensure that the heals actually go to yourself. Or if the "smart targeting" system was actually smart, it wouldn't be much of an issue.