Werewolf and sneak

Argonianwerecroc212

Should werewolf be allowed to sneak? I believe so, how do you feel.

bearbelly

I can't think of any situations where you would have time to sneak anywhere while transformed, in order to warrant having the ability.
You're either going to be fighting or feeding in order to keep your transformation up, both of which would knock you out of 'Hidden' status, anyway.

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes

From a logical standpoint ? Yes. They can block, sprint, use chests, doors, use soul gems to resurrect allies...

Imho they should not have any bonuses to sneak better or faster or detect stealth etc. - but just to be able to press Ctrl and crouch - sneak ? - Yep they should

Also small side note - it would be very ineffective as you would run out of WW timer quite fast.

ccfeeling

Yes

Why not

Argonianwerecroc212

Yes

I feel like with the changes to packleader allowing you to stay in werewolf longer you could actually have time to utilize werewolf sneak if it could sneak or even werewolf groups in pvp could use it.

Chrlynsch

Could you imagine if being stealthed while in werewolf form would pause your timer?!

Raudgrani

Yes

They should have a sneak bonus, and a highly increased sneak detection. What kind of werewolf/wolf/canine can't sneak, and most of all - what kind of canine animal can you sneak up on just like that? Not well thought through at all...

StormeReigns

Yes

Most myths and pop culture references allow them to have some form and level of sneak. Sure, not traditional aspect, but still should be able to benefit from it in some form even if it doesn't provide massive or any benefits.

Starlock

Other

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

vgabor

Werewolf. Sneak?? Are you serious??? Everyone else should sneak (away)

Chrlynsch

Starlock wrote: »

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

Werewolves are not mindless savage beasts, werewolves are Hircine's children, and Hircine is the prince of the hunt. Werewolves were created with a sole purpose hunting... so of stalking our prey before we pounce?

GalexPK

Yes

In the first trailer/movie the nord hero is ambushed by some sneaky WW, so yes!, also, while sneaking, WW timer should be reduced to 50%

Deathlord92

Makes sense to me they should sneak they are hunters.

Glurin

Yes

Sneaking on a werewolf would be totally impractical simply because of the timer. If it weren't for that then sneaking on a werewolf would make perfect sense.

However, they probably should be allowed to sneak if for no other reason than the upcoming Thrassian Stranglers. If you happen to be wearing those when you transform, you pretty much don't have a way to remove the stacks, which means you're going to be taking a lot of extra damage for nothing.

Info for those who may not be aware:
"Killing an enemy grants you a persistent stack of Sload’s Call, up to a maximum of 20 stacks. Each stack increases your Spell Damage by 150, but also increases your damage taken by 2%. Removing Thrassian Stranglers, crouching, or going invisible removes all stacks of Sload’s Call."

bearbelly

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

Werewolves are not mindless savage beasts, werewolves are Hircine's children, and Hircine is the prince of the hunt. Werewolves were created with a sole purpose hunting... so of stalking our prey before we pounce?

Irrelevant.
You have a timer to deal with.

You can't RP your way around it. If you ignore it, you shift back to human form.
The things you need to do to keep your timer from expiring would prevent you from being able to sneak for any practical amount of time.

starkerealm

No

vgabor wrote: »

Werewolf. Sneak?? Are you serious??? Everyone else should sneak (away)

They had 95 Sneak back in Morrowind.

Then again, you had the entire night to wander around.

Dojohoda

No

Maybe if the werewolf is upwind. 👃

kaisernick

Yes

bearbelly wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

Werewolves are not mindless savage beasts, werewolves are Hircine's children, and Hircine is the prince of the hunt. Werewolves were created with a sole purpose hunting... so of stalking our prey before we pounce?

Irrelevant.
You have a timer to deal with.

You can't RP your way around it. If you ignore it, you shift back to human form.
The things you need to do to keep your timer from expiring would prevent you from being able to sneak for any practical amount of time.

Oh but you can

bearbelly

kaisernick wrote: »

bearbelly wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

Werewolves are not mindless savage beasts, werewolves are Hircine's children, and Hircine is the prince of the hunt. Werewolves were created with a sole purpose hunting... so of stalking our prey before we pounce?

Irrelevant.
You have a timer to deal with.

You can't RP your way around it. If you ignore it, you shift back to human form.
The things you need to do to keep your timer from expiring would prevent you from being able to sneak for any practical amount of time.

Oh but you can

What does that have to do with the discussion?
What is sneaking around in your "house" going to accomplish?

Starlock

Other

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

Werewolves are not mindless savage beasts, werewolves are Hircine's children, and Hircine is the prince of the hunt. Werewolves were created with a sole purpose hunting... so of stalking our prey before we pounce?

Haha... didn’t say werewolves were mindless savage beasts... lol. Hell, even when my character looses her temper she certainly isn’t mindless. Just angry. And definitely well past the stalking phase of her hunt. What you do with your character is up to you - I’m just remarking on why *I* wouldn’t bother with stealth for my werewolf character. It would be out-of-character for her.

Chrlynsch

Starlock wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

Werewolves are not mindless savage beasts, werewolves are Hircine's children, and Hircine is the prince of the hunt. Werewolves were created with a sole purpose hunting... so of stalking our prey before we pounce?

Haha... didn’t say werewolves were mindless savage beasts... lol. Hell, even when my character looses her temper she certainly isn’t mindless. Just angry. And definitely well past the stalking phase of her hunt. What you do with your character is up to you - I’m just remarking on why *I* wouldn’t bother with stealth for my werewolf character. It would be out-of-character for her.

I am just saying what the lore of werewolves in elder scrolls is vs the gameplay we are forced into by zos.

ScardyFox

Yes

Sure, why not.

Skullstachio

Other

bearbelly wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

bearbelly wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

Werewolves are not mindless savage beasts, werewolves are Hircine's children, and Hircine is the prince of the hunt. Werewolves were created with a sole purpose hunting... so of stalking our prey before we pounce?

Irrelevant.
You have a timer to deal with.

You can't RP your way around it. If you ignore it, you shift back to human form.
The things you need to do to keep your timer from expiring would prevent you from being able to sneak for any practical amount of time.

Oh but you can

What does that have to do with the discussion?
What is sneaking around in your "house" going to accomplish?

If you had payed attention to detail, you may know that werewolves can maintain their form indefinitely while in the hunters glade.

For OP: My 2 cents, just turn sneak into prowl, make it so that you increase the radius you detect enemies instead of hiding from your enemies while transformed.

starkerealm

No

Skullstachio wrote: »

bearbelly wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

bearbelly wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

Werewolves are not mindless savage beasts, werewolves are Hircine's children, and Hircine is the prince of the hunt. Werewolves were created with a sole purpose hunting... so of stalking our prey before we pounce?

Irrelevant.
You have a timer to deal with.

You can't RP your way around it. If you ignore it, you shift back to human form.
The things you need to do to keep your timer from expiring would prevent you from being able to sneak for any practical amount of time.

Oh but you can

What does that have to do with the discussion?
What is sneaking around in your "house" going to accomplish?

If you had payed attention to detail, you may know that werewolves can maintain their form indefinitely while in the hunters glade.

For OP: My 2 cents, just turn sneak into prowl, make it so that you increase the radius you detect enemies instead of hiding from your enemies while transformed.

Except, there's no enemies in the Hunter's Glade, except training dummies and dueling. You can't really stealth in a duel (normally), and dummies don't care about stealth, unless you're wanting to damage check your surprise attack.

bearbelly

Skullstachio wrote: »

bearbelly wrote: »

kaisernick wrote: »

bearbelly wrote: »

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Is it relatively easy for the developers to program without causing other issues? Then sure, why not.

If it's more complicated to program than we think? Then don't bother - it's not really important.

I don't really care either way. I wouldn't use it if it existed - my werewolf character, while stealthy, isn't... well, when she wolfs out it's because she's had issues with her anger management and the last thing she's going to be doing in that mental state is sneaking around.

Werewolves are not mindless savage beasts, werewolves are Hircine's children, and Hircine is the prince of the hunt. Werewolves were created with a sole purpose hunting... so of stalking our prey before we pounce?

Irrelevant.
You have a timer to deal with.

You can't RP your way around it. If you ignore it, you shift back to human form.
The things you need to do to keep your timer from expiring would prevent you from being able to sneak for any practical amount of time.

Oh but you can

What does that have to do with the discussion?
What is sneaking around in your "house" going to accomplish?

If you had payed attention to detail, you may know that werewolves can maintain their form indefinitely while in the hunters glade.

I'm very well aware that you have 100% uptime in the Glade.
My point was, if you're done trying to be clever, is that sneaking while transformed is the point of the thread, and the Glade is effectively a house, and sneaking around inside a house doesn't accomplish anything.

Sneaking would only be a practical benefit out in the world, and you can't do that, even IF we had the ability, and keep your timer from expiring, no matter how much Hircine loves his children, or how much it makes sense that a werewolf should be able to. RP is irrelevant when the game mechanics don't allow for a certain action.

ccfeeling

Yes

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Could you imagine if being stealthed while in werewolf form would pause your timer?!

Interesting idea and not feel op at all.

Eifleber

No

it's the rancid smell ..

Wolves don' t sneak up - they just hunt their prey down until they are exhausted.

Flameweaver1951

Other

Only if they've been neutered !!

Rake

Yes

Especially in battlegrounds.
Boy, Id love to see werwolves sneak in battlegrounds
4v4v4, all werewolves, all in sneak, for 15 minutes

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yes

There is even a sneak walking animation, honestly they should just make Werewolf a complete class someone can build for, increase the duration or just make it toggable and give them the ability to sneak.

ScardyFox

Yes

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

There is even a sneak walking animation, honestly they should just make Werewolf a complete class someone can build for, increase the duration or just make it toggable and give them the ability to sneak.

I like the way you think....