Racial Meta

BRCOURTN

For stamina classes, I'm pretty sure it's orc right now yeah? Is that going to change in greymoor? I have a bunch of kajiit tools and I'm not too happy with their performance (or look for that matter)

BlueRaven

Unfortunately there are no changes to races. Metas are staying put.

L_Nici

I hate orcs. They are ugly, I always play Bosmer I don't really care if many people say they would be bad, they are amazing for a very dodge based gameplay.

Raudgrani

For PVP, Nord or Breton (Stamina/Magicka). For PVE Orc or Altmer (Stamina/Magicka). Of course there are other choices too, especially depending on roles etc. But generally, and if we speak "DD", that's what I'm sticking to.

Had a khajiit Stamblade for PVE, but it feels seriously neutered now - and it's serving as "mule" at the moment. I could live with the kind of "forced" melee playstyle, while it still hit really hard - but I can't find a reason to go on with that, when I have a bow/bow StamDK that does nearly double damage at a much safer distance. Sure miss spamming Warmachine Incap strikes and such, but times change...

idk

BlueRaven wrote: »

Unfortunately there are no changes to races. Metas are staying put.

For now. Zos said early on in this lengthy process to revamped everything that they would revisit the passive after these combat changes are implemented. They have acknowledged this would happen at least one other time since the process started. Granted, it has been over a year since this started with the first pass on the racial passives but it will hopefully be over soon and we will see what Zos does.

I would expect we would see only minor tweaking, not a complete rework.

Xarc

I would like to say something about "META", especially in PVP.

There are as much "meta" as there are fighting style in pvp.
For tanky people, gankers, bombers, healers, support etc. It really depends your gameplay. And most of the time, you can pass the racial with glyphs and sets... and maybe CP sometimes.

In PVE, it's different since there are only 3 or 4 roles really defined (sadly tank, healers, dd, offtanks). It's really limited then "meta builds" are limited too, then RACES.

Ghnami

Just so everyone is clear, racial META is responsible for like 2% optimization. I don't even adjust CP if I'm within 2%. No need to race change for optimization unless you're in godslayer prog, a meta ***, or because you just want something different. The number 1 dps class for stam is orc, for mag it's altmer, #2 for both is Dark elf, and #3 is Kajiit, followed by the sustain races and finally the "off" races, like a mag reguard or a stam breton. The difference is 2% or less if you're not playing an "off" race, and if you are, the difference is still pretty small, idk maths on it though, I'd estimate maybe 5-7%.

Nanfoodle

Meta only matters if you are going to play top end content. It helps but it wont make or break casual gamering.

Ratzkifal

If you hate Orcs, play Dunmer. The difference in damage is negligible.

MEBengalsFan2001

Ghnami wrote: »

Just so everyone is clear, racial META is responsible for like 2% optimization. I don't even adjust CP if I'm within 2%. No need to race change for optimization unless you're in godslayer prog, a meta ***, or because you just want something different. The number 1 dps class for stam is orc, for mag it's altmer, #2 for both is Dark elf, and #3 is Kajiit, followed by the sustain races and finally the "off" races, like a mag reguard or a stam breton. The difference is 2% or less if you're not playing an "off" race, and if you are, the difference is still pretty small, idk maths on it though, I'd estimate maybe 5-7%.

I agree with your thoughts on this 100%. If my memory serves me well, at one point last year someone tested the racial changes and compared no passives, racial passives for those that would be considered meta, and those in between races. The end results was around 5%. They even tested each class damage potential and again it was around 5% difference. Now it has been a year, new gear has landed, etc... the % maybe a bit higher with newer gear, but I'm sure it's still closer than many realize.

MaxJrFTW

Racials only make a difference for the top 1% players, and even then that difference is pretty small. For 99% of the players races make no difference whatsoever. This obsession people have over which race does 0.3% more dps than the other is nonsensical...Pick whatever the hell you want, it doesn't matter unless you're aiming for 100% parses on ESO logs.

Deathlord92

My Breton stamblade performs well in pvp and pve it can be done.

MartiniDaniels

Ratzkifal wrote: »

If you hate Orcs, play Dunmer. The difference in damage is negligible.

Dunmer's don't have extra 1k HP. Everybody thought health is a trash stat, but how current PVE and PVP meta works, it end up as an extremely useful thing for stamina roles/builds.

orion_1981usub17_ESO

Play the race and class that you want to play and be free with that information with your friends and guild mates. So long as your not making content impossible to clear... a tall order for mere racial passives, I'm sure your guild mates will accept your choices. If you don't make a character you can play, you'll end up hating your character and the game.

Ratzkifal

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

If you hate Orcs, play Dunmer. The difference in damage is negligible.

Dunmer's don't have extra 1k HP. Everybody thought health is a trash stat, but how current PVE and PVP meta works, it end up as an extremely useful thing for stamina roles/builds.

But Dunmer's fire resistance is good when you are a vampire and good whenever someone is trying to use Skoria, Grothdar or Zaan against you. Or against magDKs, which admittedly there aren't a whole lot of, but still. I haven't done the math on it, but I am pretty sure against people using fire-based attacks, fire resistance is more effective health than extra max health. And fire is a very common damage type.

In PvE, maybe. But even there we have a whole lot of fire-heavy instances. 1st and 4th vBRP stage, stage 4, 8 and 9 in vMA, Yolnahkriin, Siroria, the firepot spiders in vAS, several dungeons and probably in the upcoming trial as well.

Do not underestimate fire resistance.