Have you done a trial as Werewolf?

Joxer61

Piggybacking off my other post about Werewolfs and no one running them I noticed that there are like ZERO on the ESO logs, and that's sad. Why would you omit a class/skill-line that does pretty good dps? I thought Stamdens had it bad! So yea, poll is has anyone ever ran a trial as werewolf or with any Werewolfs? Im really intrigued in the skill line and cant believe I have overlooked it all this time.

colossalvoids

I have done Trials with Werewolves

Groups that run ww are mostly very casual, experimental/bored or more fun oriented (not aimed for clears). So you won't find much this patch on esologs which is an instrument for more competitive players in general.

FakeFox

Werewolfs have no place in trials (give a reason, be nice)

Werewolf was somewhat strong in single target DPS with the Wolfhunter patch. But was all it was even remotely useful for, so absolutely no point in taking it anywhere unless you enjoy a one button rotation for some reason.

SirLeeMinion

I have done trials as Werewolf

There was a time when WW had good defense and decent, low-skill DPS. It was a good beginner option for some normal trials, because you could focus on mechanics with a lower risk of dying while doing more than your share of DPS. It didn't do great DPS, and brought almost nothing to team play. So little in fact, that I once finished the last 100K health in normal MoL alone because I was pretty sure I wouldn't be able to rez the tank in WW form. Oh the bugs...

But that was then... Of course, WW stinks now. The new update will improve them marginally, but it still looks worse than a traditional build for team content.

notyuu

I have done trials as Werewolf

I got yelled at a LOT for bringing a WW along with several hate/warning whispers

Kilcosu

I have done trials as Werewolf

after pulling the highest damage of the trial and when everything was said and done one of the tanks goes
"Oh and just so everyone's clear, werewolf are NOT welcome in trial groups typically"

Joxer61

Kilcosu wrote: »

after pulling the highest damage of the trial and when everything was said and done one of the tanks goes
"Oh and just so everyone's clear, werewolf are NOT welcome in trial groups typically"

See...I just don't get that. Why, if you do the damage and don't die, would you not be welcomed. Not EVERY Class in a trial needs to bring support, you can have a few pure dps'ers. And with Greymour it looks like some group utility is coming so maybe a win?

idk

I have done trials as Werewolf

I have run a trial as a WW but it was very much a fun run and I was able to remain in WW form for the entire run. Have done it a few times.

However, no serious run should have a WW in it and WW should never be good enough that a serious raid group would use a WW. It is a pretty easy build being only one bar.

Joxer61

idk wrote: »

However, no serious run should have a WW in it and WW should never be good enough that a serious raid group would use a WW.

Yea...but a certain Content Creator is claiming that WW just might have a spot in Trials with Greymoor…..and don't they know everything anyways?

colossalvoids

I have done Trials with Werewolves

Joxer61 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

However, no serious run should have a WW in it and WW should never be good enough that a serious raid group would use a WW.

Yea...but a certain Content Creator is claiming that WW just might have a spot in Trials with Greymoor…..and don't they know everything anyways?

Not sure who you're referring to but as for current pts cycle ww doing about the same damage as well measured build with actual rotation and even better than some classes can pull so it have potential but by serious group he probably meant score pushing, etc. as one bar builds shouldn't be the ones wielding best results for minimal effort. It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

Qbiken

colossalvoids wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

However, no serious run should have a WW in it and WW should never be good enough that a serious raid group would use a WW.

Yea...but a certain Content Creator is claiming that WW just might have a spot in Trials with Greymoor…..and don't they know everything anyways?

Not sure who you're referring to but as for current pts cycle ww doing about the same damage as well measured build with actual rotation and even better than some classes can pull so it have potential but by serious group he probably meant score pushing, etc. as one bar builds shouldn't be the ones wielding best results for minimal effort. It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

Stamplar would like a word with you regarding minimal effort and still pulling high dps......

colossalvoids

I have done Trials with Werewolves

Qbiken wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

However, no serious run should have a WW in it and WW should never be good enough that a serious raid group would use a WW.

Yea...but a certain Content Creator is claiming that WW just might have a spot in Trials with Greymoor…..and don't they know everything anyways?

Not sure who you're referring to but as for current pts cycle ww doing about the same damage as well measured build with actual rotation and even better than some classes can pull so it have potential but by serious group he probably meant score pushing, etc. as one bar builds shouldn't be the ones wielding best results for minimal effort. It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

Stamplar would like a word with you regarding minimal effort and still pulling high dps......

Still using both bars though.

Joxer61

colossalvoids wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

However, no serious run should have a WW in it and WW should never be good enough that a serious raid group would use a WW.

Yea...but a certain Content Creator is claiming that WW just might have a spot in Trials with Greymoor…..and don't they know everything anyways?

Not sure who you're referring to but as for current pts cycle ww doing about the same damage as well measured build with actual rotation and even better than some classes can pull so it have potential but by serious group he probably meant score pushing, etc. as one bar builds shouldn't be the ones wielding best results for minimal effort. It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

heres one, although not the one to whom I was referring....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hfAmkxoHD4&t=1321s

Joxer61

colossalvoids wrote: »

It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

And yet still looked upon as a meme.....I just don't get it. And as far as this minimal effort goes....yea, have you seen a Stamplar rotation? But that's meta and you press like 4 skills.....Light attacking is all the rage with a few class skills thrown in, check the logs....most times biggest hitter is light attacks?
I dunno, just seems kinda weird to me something that works is frowned upon. Crazy MMO world...

But I will add that the feeding bit is a bit of a pain in the butt.....

and to quote... "You can viably bring a Werewolf DPS to a Trial and not get laughed at" end quote.

Eifleber

o I have no werewolf

colossalvoids

I have done Trials with Werewolves

Joxer61 wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

And yet still looked upon as a meme.....I just don't get it. And as far as this minimal effort goes....yea, have you seen a Stamplar rotation? But that's meta and you press like 4 skills.....Light attacking is all the rage with a few class skills thrown in, check the logs....most times biggest hitter is light attacks?
I dunno, just seems kinda weird to me something that works is frowned upon. Crazy MMO world...

But I will add that the feeding bit is a bit of a pain in the butt.....

By whom? New players have a problem with watching too much endgame youtubers that doing ir, gh or godslayer runs and refering their builds and advices to same minded individuals and not newer players mostly thats why everyone picks meta races and can't sustain/dies every single mechanics but thinking it's alright. Same with ww, no one would care in any normal pug, veteran non dlc dungeon or trial.

Lmao If you press 4 buttons it's dummy parsing. Where exactly is a difficulty difference between stamplar and for example stamsorc? Same (depends on build)amount of dots, same dynamic element (bd versus potl) and still 2 actual bars unlike ww.

stevenyaub16_ESO

I have done trials as Werewolf

I've done some vSS, vMoL VHoF as a werewolf. It's fine, just not in any non-melee trials or HMs.

But you can't use that *** molag/bloodmoon everyone does because that dps/cleave is too low.

Joxer61

stevenyaub16_ESO wrote: »

I've done some vSS, vMoL VHoF as a werewolf. It's fine, just not in any non-melee trials or HMs.

But you can't use that *** molag/bloodmoon everyone does because that dps/cleave is too low.

Now that's good to hear!! I don't get the non-melee trials bit (well, I do but makes no sense) as ESO claims play as you want so therefore having a trial that's "mag/ranged only" goes against that 100%.
But still, great to hear they can be done and you didn't get kicked from the game...lol

Joxer61

colossalvoids wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

And yet still looked upon as a meme.....I just don't get it. And as far as this minimal effort goes....yea, have you seen a Stamplar rotation? But that's meta and you press like 4 skills.....Light attacking is all the rage with a few class skills thrown in, check the logs....most times biggest hitter is light attacks?
I dunno, just seems kinda weird to me something that works is frowned upon. Crazy MMO world...

But I will add that the feeding bit is a bit of a pain in the butt.....

By whom? New players have a problem with watching too much endgame youtubers that doing ir, gh or godslayer runs and refering their builds and advices to same minded individuals and not newer players mostly thats why everyone picks meta races and can't sustain/dies every single mechanics but thinking it's alright. Same with ww, no one would care in any normal pug, veteran non dlc dungeon or trial.

Lmao If you press 4 buttons it's dummy parsing. Where exactly is a difficulty difference between stamplar and for example stamsorc? Same (depends on build)amount of dots, same dynamic element (bd versus potl) and still 2 actual bars unlike ww.

Yea, Stamsorc falls into that same as Stamplar…..wrecking blow/ba…..blah blah....occasional buffs and repeat. also I don't follow those "end-game" youtubers and the like. I watch them, sure, butnot for builds and such as most times its just dummys or their trials. don't see too many hoping on and just doing content....a few do and that's fun.
And don't get me wrong...Im not "pro WW" or anything only having just now realized I haven't played as one. Just in looking around and asking about the class/skill-line I notice a void, that's all.

colossalvoids

I have done Trials with Werewolves

Joxer61 wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

And yet still looked upon as a meme.....I just don't get it. And as far as this minimal effort goes....yea, have you seen a Stamplar rotation? But that's meta and you press like 4 skills.....Light attacking is all the rage with a few class skills thrown in, check the logs....most times biggest hitter is light attacks?
I dunno, just seems kinda weird to me something that works is frowned upon. Crazy MMO world...

But I will add that the feeding bit is a bit of a pain in the butt.....

By whom? New players have a problem with watching too much endgame youtubers that doing ir, gh or godslayer runs and refering their builds and advices to same minded individuals and not newer players mostly thats why everyone picks meta races and can't sustain/dies every single mechanics but thinking it's alright. Same with ww, no one would care in any normal pug, veteran non dlc dungeon or trial.

Lmao If you press 4 buttons it's dummy parsing. Where exactly is a difficulty difference between stamplar and for example stamsorc? Same (depends on build)amount of dots, same dynamic element (bd versus potl) and still 2 actual bars unlike ww.

Yea, Stamsorc falls into that same as Stamplar…..wrecking blow/ba…..blah blah....occasional buffs and repeat. also I don't follow those "end-game" youtubers and the like. I watch them, sure, butnot for builds and such as most times its just dummys or their trials. don't see too many hoping on and just doing content....a few do and that's fun.
And don't get me wrong...Im not "pro WW" or anything only having just now realized I haven't played as one. Just in looking around and asking about the class/skill-line I notice a void, that's all.

Wasn't specifying about you but players who "look at ww as a meme" you mentioned. As you clearly can play one with decent success, get flawless conqueror or have a team that don't mind you playing how you want IF you can play it well enough and not gimping yourself by it.

About stamsorc i meant more that all classes now at the point of being more boring and less different overall. If stamplar is easy than stamblade is not that much harder also as for now. Maybe for newer players but can't tell how classes feel now without remembering how they were behaving previously. For me it comes down to thought that well executed two bar rotation on any class should wield better damage than easy one bar build with almost no downsides being one.

Joxer61

colossalvoids wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

And yet still looked upon as a meme.....I just don't get it. And as far as this minimal effort goes....yea, have you seen a Stamplar rotation? But that's meta and you press like 4 skills.....Light attacking is all the rage with a few class skills thrown in, check the logs....most times biggest hitter is light attacks?
I dunno, just seems kinda weird to me something that works is frowned upon. Crazy MMO world...

But I will add that the feeding bit is a bit of a pain in the butt.....

By whom? New players have a problem with watching too much endgame youtubers that doing ir, gh or godslayer runs and refering their builds and advices to same minded individuals and not newer players mostly thats why everyone picks meta races and can't sustain/dies every single mechanics but thinking it's alright. Same with ww, no one would care in any normal pug, veteran non dlc dungeon or trial.

Lmao If you press 4 buttons it's dummy parsing. Where exactly is a difficulty difference between stamplar and for example stamsorc? Same (depends on build)amount of dots, same dynamic element (bd versus potl) and still 2 actual bars unlike ww.

Yea, Stamsorc falls into that same as Stamplar…..wrecking blow/ba…..blah blah....occasional buffs and repeat. also I don't follow those "end-game" youtubers and the like. I watch them, sure, butnot for builds and such as most times its just dummys or their trials. don't see too many hoping on and just doing content....a few do and that's fun.
And don't get me wrong...Im not "pro WW" or anything only having just now realized I haven't played as one. Just in looking around and asking about the class/skill-line I notice a void, that's all.

Wasn't specifying about you but players who "look at ww as a meme" you mentioned. As you clearly can play one with decent success, get flawless conqueror or have a team that don't mind you playing how you want IF you can play it well enough and not gimping yourself by it.

About stamsorc i meant more that all classes now at the point of being more boring and less different overall. If stamplar is easy than stamblade is not that much harder also as for now. Maybe for newer players but can't tell how classes feel now without remembering how they were behaving previously. For me it comes down to thought that well executed two bar rotation on any class should wield better damage than easy one bar build with almost no downsides being one.

yea, a lot of "one bar" builds coming out and that's kinda scary. Do people really want the combat to be that easy...please no.

karekiz

I have done Trials with Werewolves

There are limits however.

AngelaWasp

I have done trials as Werewolf

Yes, before the nerfs and in normal trials only, with a very laid back guild that were doing the trials for fun. Werewolves have never been welcome in vet / prog group trials, even in Wolfhunter patch.

Joxer61

AngelaWasp wrote: »

Werewolves have never been welcome in vet / prog group trials, even in Wolfhunter patch.

And yet Vampires are, meaning people that have used the skill-line for buffs and such even though they make themselves more likely to die in the bad stuff. Go figure....
Its an odd little stigma WW have, kinda sad. We shall se what Greymoor holds for them.

karekiz

I have done Trials with Werewolves

Joxer61 wrote: »

AngelaWasp wrote: »

Werewolves have never been welcome in vet / prog group trials, even in Wolfhunter patch.

And yet Vampires are, meaning people that have used the skill-line for buffs and such even though they make themselves more likely to die in the bad stuff. Go figure....
Its an odd little stigma WW have, kinda sad. We shall se what Greymoor holds for them.

That's because currently vampires only have 1 disadvantage. They take more fire damage. The issue is that it is out heal able, and that passive everyone wants is rank 2 anyway. So you don't actually take the full negative to get what is essentially a stacking racial passive.

You end up giving up a lot to be a WW compared to just playing the base class.

Thats why in Greymoor that sustain passive was removed entirely. Its kinda too good.

Saubon

I have done Trials with Werewolves

I did few normal pugs and there was a ww sometimes. Still, you can do normal trials even without a full party (except AA).

We'll see how they are gonna perform in greymoor.

ccfeeling

I have done trials as Werewolf

WW was great when wolfhunter just released , ZOS huge nerfed WW after selling .

I sure ZOS must do the same thing later .

We will see .

Joxer61

Well if I can come to the party as say a Stamplar that puts out decent dps and then I have an Ulti that can match or come close to said dps how is that a bad thing? Many times the second Ulti isn't used for much other than a buff and what better buff than a whole new skill-line?
We shall see....one can but hope.

RogueShark

I have done trials as Werewolf

I've run WW on vCR+1 and did portals. Ran it through vMOL as well as Crag trials. Mostly because it was the only DPS I had at the time. It went perfectly fine. This was shortly after they were buffed around Wolfhunter era tho. Unless something changes with Greymoor I probably wouldn't ever run one again in any serious capacity just because going non WW is more damage/utility.

ShadowKyuubi

I have done Trials with Werewolves

As a former trial leader, I didn't mind if someone wanted to bring in a WW because they could only do higher damage with it. However, for end game content there is a limit to the werewolf. It just doesn't do enough damage or give any group utility that you can justify having one in the group. So WWs are good when you are just going for regular run, either gear or farm runs. However, for score pushing or trifecta runs, it has no place, IMO. Mainly just because of the hard damage cap and lack of group utility.

NocturnalSonata

colossalvoids wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

However, no serious run should have a WW in it and WW should never be good enough that a serious raid group would use a WW.

Yea...but a certain Content Creator is claiming that WW just might have a spot in Trials with Greymoor…..and don't they know everything anyways?

Not sure who you're referring to but as for current pts cycle ww doing about the same damage as well measured build with actual rotation and even better than some classes can pull so it have potential but by serious group he probably meant score pushing, etc. as one bar builds shouldn't be the ones wielding best results for minimal effort. It's still a great tool for newer players for an easy dps and survivability.

Stamplar would like a word with you regarding minimal effort and still pulling high dps......

Still using both bars though.

70k+ one bar stamplar (i think someone did an 80k+ parse which is floating somewhere on the forums).

I do think its absurb and should not exist. But... if a stamplar can do it, then i have no problem with a WW doing it either.