R.I.P. MASTER MERCHANT

Quelios · May 2020

quite a long time since MM was working properly ... any clue about improvement ?

seecodenotgames · May 2020

Mine works most of the time. My problem is more with the guild sale history not updating quick enough.

Universe · May 2020

I use ATT(Arkadius' Trade Tools) trading addon for about a month now.
It is useful and it is working well.
MM isn't working for me either, but ATT works just fine

Danikat · May 2020

I asked a while ago if it was still working, because I noticed an ever-increasing difference between the prices MM showed me and the ones TTC showed, and MM didn't seem to reflect the actual prices in my guild store. I never did get a clear answer on whether or not it was a problem with the addon or even if anyone else had noticed the same thing, but I stopped using it because if it's not giving accurate prices it's useless for me.

What problems have you been having with it?

Quelios · May 2020

Danikat wrote: »

I asked a while ago if it was still working, because I noticed an ever-increasing difference between the prices MM showed me and the ones TTC showed, and MM didn't seem to reflect the actual prices in my guild store. I never did get a clear answer on whether or not it was a problem with the addon or even if anyone else had noticed the same thing, but I stopped using it because if it's not giving accurate prices it's useless for me.

What problems have you been having with it?

I've experienced the same problems and very slow update on guild sales and ... not all sales recorded ...

TheKingofSass · May 2020

Rest in piece, MM. You were one of the best. I have returned after a year break from eso, and was sad to see it wasn't up to date and was acting very wonky, so I tossed it.

I'm using Tamriel Trade Center now and it works wonderfully.

Fiktius · May 2020

Quelios wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

I asked a while ago if it was still working, because I noticed an ever-increasing difference between the prices MM showed me and the ones TTC showed, and MM didn't seem to reflect the actual prices in my guild store. I never did get a clear answer on whether or not it was a problem with the addon or even if anyone else had noticed the same thing, but I stopped using it because if it's not giving accurate prices it's useless for me.

What problems have you been having with it?

I've experienced the same problems and very slow update on guild sales and ... not all sales recorded ...

I keep hearing this same thing from my guild members thousand times, so I will share same info here which I gave to them:
Those who are still using MM and struggling with updates, there is one thing you can try:

Go to guild tab
> Open history page
> Open sale history
> Scroll down at history page until you see button "E".
> Keep opening more pages with "E" button until you are at the bottom of the list.
> When you are at bottom, type a command in the chat at the end: /mm missing

Ever since addons started receiving data with slower space, this is one way to dig all recorded data of past 10 days in history.
If you have some data missing, which were supposed to be registered after you logged in, restarting the game is one way to make history page load those newest entries too.

If ATT haven't also catched up with sale data, that same method mentioned in spoiler is a good way to make sure ATT didn't miss anything. The only difference is that you don't need any commands to type in the chat at the end, if you use ATT.

Hopefully this helped at least someone.

huntgod_ESO · May 2020

MM reflects SOLD prices, so it doesn't matter what the list price is, it doesn't get calculated into the MM figures until it sells.

The biggest problem with MM is the small sample size unless you belong to 3-4 active trade guilds.

TTC is based on list price, but that doesn't always reflect what the items are actually selling for, so TTC can tend to skew high on some things. I prefer using TTC because it gives me an idea of what the market is and I can choose to sell low or not. The MM prices just don't help me much since I only belong to a couple of small trade guilds that have a trader but aren't in high traffic sites.

hiyde · May 2020

MM isn't broke and it isn't dead (nice headline, OP). In fact, the author is working on update for the new chapter.

Last year, ZOS severely limited the frequency in which addons like MM (or ATT) can pull sales history data on their own.

There IS a workaround to force the data to load and get MM to update quick.

Full tutorial here:
BBCGuild.com/mmdata

colossalvoids · May 2020

Not sure what's wrong with it, i updated history manually through guild sale tab for months after zos made changes and had zero issues since. Until att will add function to inspect every "dot" on a sales map it's a dead addon compared to mm.

hiyde · May 2020

colossalvoids wrote: »

Not sure what's wrong with it, i updated history manually through guild sale tab for months after zos made changes and had zero issues since. Until att will add function to inspect every "dot" on a sales map it's a dead addon compared to mm.

Individual experience with getting data is going to vary greatly depending on how many trade guilds you're in, how busy they are and how much you play.

arena25 · May 2020

First of all, the thread title is a bit on the clickbait side, OP, and might be edited by ZOS once they log back in to their remote offices this morning.

Second, as a result of MM wrecking guild functionality for several weeks last year, Zeni ended up severely limiting the amount of data MM can pull at a given time. This means if you are part of a guild that has a trader which is high traffic, it could take hours to load all the sales your guild made...even if you were logged out for only a couple hours.

That said, I use both TTC (Tamriel Trade Centre) and MM when selling/buying stuff from guild stores. Both addons have their advantages and disadvantages, which is why I use both.

Quelios · May 2020

Sales recorded in min. 30 min in my case (delay)
If I logout before recording, next day the sales is not in statistic.
How do you manage to have an updated statistics at the end of the week?

seecodenotgames · May 2020

When I log on I always go into history and do show more until I reach the number of hours since I last played. So usually 24 hours on a weekday or about 15 hours on a weekend. I also do the same thing if I play the game several times in the same day, I'll go back a few hours until it overlaps with sales I already have imported.

redgreensunset · May 2020

For me MM makes the game even laggier than it already is and in spite of not being member of hugely active trading guilds it takes forever to update and if I can't take the 20 minutes or so it would take to update it manually then those sales are never recorded, no they're not logged if I do it the day after. Plus on occassionI have to go back and manually update it for the full 10 days to get it to update automatically again.

Is it dead or broken? Idk, but for me it is way more hassle than it's worth as I'm only a casual trader. Might be worth it for the hardcore people, but not really for the rest of us.

Elsonso · May 2020

hiyde wrote: »

MM isn't broke and it isn't dead (nice headline, OP). In fact, the author is working on update for the new chapter.

Last year, ZOS severely limited the frequency in which addons like MM (or ATT) can pull sales history data on their own.

There IS a workaround to force the data to load and get MM to update quick.

Full tutorial here:
BBCGuild.com/mmdata

It is sort of silly that ZOS limits the add-ons to the point where it can take hours to get data, yet we can sit in there and basically spam the guild sales history and get it in a couple of minutes.

virtus753 · May 2020

Elsonso wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

MM isn't broke and it isn't dead (nice headline, OP). In fact, the author is working on update for the new chapter.

Last year, ZOS severely limited the frequency in which addons like MM (or ATT) can pull sales history data on their own.

There IS a workaround to force the data to load and get MM to update quick.

Full tutorial here:
BBCGuild.com/mmdata

It is sort of silly that ZOS limits the add-ons to the point where it can take hours to get data, yet we can sit in there and basically spam the guild sales history and get it in a couple of minutes.

It may seem silly at first glance, but it is likely to have been very expedient for ZOS as they attempt to reduce the rate of server calculations and responses to help triage performance.

The issue was that the ability of MM and other add-ons to pull the data *automatically* at the original add-on rate caused a lot more polling in a much shorter time span than when individual players do it themselves, even at the once-per-second rate to which we seem to be limited. In order to get anywhere close to the original automatic rate of polling now, every user of MM would have to update all their guilds manually every single time their MM is set to poll the servers. That can be as often as a few minutes. Not only will players not do that on nearly so widespread or frequent a basis, but many (if not most) MM users will never update manually at all, whether because they don’t know they can, or they would rather wait for the automatic process, or whatever other reason. There’s just no realistic way to approach that automatic polling rate even if we are able to use “show more” manually once per second, and the effects are even greater once you take into consideration how many people use these kinds of add-ons.

Infixo · May 2020

MM is working fine, no issues. Clickbait title.

Elsonso · May 2020

virtus753 wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

MM isn't broke and it isn't dead (nice headline, OP). In fact, the author is working on update for the new chapter.

Last year, ZOS severely limited the frequency in which addons like MM (or ATT) can pull sales history data on their own.

There IS a workaround to force the data to load and get MM to update quick.

Full tutorial here:
BBCGuild.com/mmdata

It is sort of silly that ZOS limits the add-ons to the point where it can take hours to get data, yet we can sit in there and basically spam the guild sales history and get it in a couple of minutes.

It may seem silly at first glance, but it is likely to have been very expedient for ZOS as they attempt to reduce the rate of server calculations and responses to help triage performance.

The issue was that the ability of MM and other add-ons to pull the data *automatically* at the original add-on rate caused a lot more polling in a much shorter time span than when individual players do it themselves, even at the once-per-second rate to which we seem to be limited. In order to get anywhere close to the original automatic rate of polling now, every user of MM would have to update all their guilds manually every single time their MM is set to poll the servers. That can be as often as a few minutes. Not only will players not do that on nearly so widespread or frequent a basis, but many (if not most) MM users will never update manually at all, whether because they don’t know they can, or they would rather wait for the automatic process, or whatever other reason. There’s just no realistic way to approach that automatic polling rate even if we are able to use “show more” manually once per second, and the effects are even greater once you take into consideration how many people use these kinds of add-ons.

Yes. My point is more along the lines that it should not take hours for the add-on to do what can be done in a couple minutes manually. I understand the concurrency issues, but I think they were a little extreme in the severity of the restrictions.

My long standing belief is that they have major database problems, which they finally started to go into detail with back in February. Database Caching. Cold Storage. Database Worker Optimizations. Hopefully, by this time next year, they will be able to allow MM to work properly, again. However, my expectation is that they will just leave the add-on access crippled, possibly because they will take a "wait and see" approach, and it could take them months before they are done waiting.

heaven13 · May 2020

I'm actually having issues today where I cannot use Show More within the guild sales history interface. That option is just not there.

ZOS_Volpe · May 2020

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