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Alright here is proof from lore book in the game that clearly says werewolves are not evil.

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“Throughout the ages, whenever one heard the word "werewolf," it was a cry of fear and revulsion. This need not be the case any longer. We shall prove to Tamriel that it is indeed possible to live a productive, peaceful life while afflicted with Sanies Lupinus.
Our Rule: Resist the Urge to Commit Violence

By withdrawing from society, one can learn how to apply this simple rule to everyday life. Do not give in to a feral desire to retaliate against those who cannot understand our plight. We are not meant to destroy others simply for sport. Hircine blessed us with the ability to fight well, with strength beyond that of an ordinary person. We must not take advantage of this blessing to hurt anyone, but rather use it in ways that benefit others like ourselves. Hunting can be a rewarding pastime, and a way of worshiping our patron. It should not be a way to torment others, whether man or beast.

This blessing, for it is a blessing and not a curse, allows us to carry heavy loads, and to cover vast distances without tiring. We make excellent traveling merchants for this reason, as well as laborers of all kinds. By showing continued restraint, by not lifting our hand against others, by proving that hunger does not drive us to kill, we honor ourselves and our families.

It is our duty to demonstrate that werewolves can be peaceful through our continued faith in Hircine’s blessings.”

This is a lore book from Bangkorai titled Living with Lycanthropy. This is indisputable evidence was to why Werewolves should not be given bounties cities. I hope Zenimax takes a look at this, and correct this grave error. This is lore, and it clearly states werewolves are not evil. I look forward to debating with you in the comments.
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    People will still try to rid the world of werewolves though, and even entire orders are dedicated to the practice. Whether the person became one willingly or unwillingly it matters not for these organizations. They will hunt and kill every single daedric beast they come into contact with, and for good reason. Werewolves still have the tendency of being unable to control the beast clinging onto their souls and will maim or kill anything that gets in the way of their hunt. They are a threat to society in the Elder Scrolls universe.

    Kerbol Hollow does exist where werewolves try to live peacefully but you must understand that they keep this fact a closely guarded secret. If word got out hunters would come to kill them all.
    Edited by Vevvev on May 1, 2020 2:55AM
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  • Alucardo
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    Werewolves still have the tendency of being unable to control the beast clinging onto their souls and will maim or kill anything that gets in the way of their hunt.
    Non-beasts (human races) have probably killed and tortured more people than Werewolves, so should we put them down on sight too?

  • Katrk
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    Vevvev wrote: »
    People will still try to rid the world of werewolves though, and even entire orders are dedicated to the practice. Whether the person became one willingly or unwillingly it matters not for these organizations. They will hunt and kill every single daedric beast they come into contact with, and for good reason. Werewolves still have the tendency of being unable to control the beast clinging onto their souls and will maim or kill anything that gets in the way of their hunt. They are a threat to society in the Elder Scrolls universe.

    Kerbol Hollow does exist where werewolves try to live peacefully but you must understand that they keep this fact a closely guarded secret. If word got out hunters would come to kill them all.

    The Alessian Order had a Werewolf General named Faolchu the Changeling. He fought for freedom of everyone, and lived amongst normal people completely fine. Sure there is ancient orders who will try to kill them, but werewolves whom are known as heroic figures will be protected and accepted. Werewolves are different depending on person whom is good evil just like normal people are. It is not how you got the power, but how you used it and the effect it had on people.
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    Katrk wrote: »
    “Throughout the ages, whenever one heard the word "werewolf," it was a cry of fear and revulsion. This need not be the case any longer. We shall prove to Tamriel that it is indeed possible to live a productive, peaceful life while afflicted with Sanies Lupinus.
    Our Rule: Resist the Urge to Commit Violence

    By withdrawing from society, one can learn how to apply this simple rule to everyday life. Do not give in to a feral desire to retaliate against those who cannot understand our plight. We are not meant to destroy others simply for sport. Hircine blessed us with the ability to fight well, with strength beyond that of an ordinary person. We must not take advantage of this blessing to hurt anyone, but rather use it in ways that benefit others like ourselves. Hunting can be a rewarding pastime, and a way of worshiping our patron. It should not be a way to torment others, whether man or beast.

    This blessing, for it is a blessing and not a curse, allows us to carry heavy loads, and to cover vast distances without tiring. We make excellent traveling merchants for this reason, as well as laborers of all kinds. By showing continued restraint, by not lifting our hand against others, by proving that hunger does not drive us to kill, we honor ourselves and our families.

    It is our duty to demonstrate that werewolves can be peaceful through our continued faith in Hircine’s blessings.”

    This is a lore book from Bangkorai titled Living with Lycanthropy. This is indisputable evidence was to why Werewolves should not be given bounties cities. I hope Zenimax takes a look at this, and correct this grave error. This is lore, and it clearly states werewolves are not evil. I look forward to debating with you in the comments.

    It doesn't say that werewolves are not evil at all. It simply says that they can learn to resist the urge and encourages others to do so. It's no different than vampires where a few good ones are known to exist , some even grudgingly accepted by people but it's still not the norm. Normal townsfolk and guardsman are still for the most part going to act with fear and aggression towards any known monster. They aren't going to stop to ask if you might be one of the good guys before they grab the torches and pitchforks.
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    Katrk wrote: »

    The Alessian Order had a Werewolf General named Faolchu the Changeling. He fought for freedom of everyone, and lived amongst normal people completely fine. Sure there is ancient orders who will try to kill them, but werewolves whom are known as heroic figures will be protected and accepted. Werewolves are different depending on person whom is good evil just like normal people are. It is not how you got the power, but how you used it and the effect it had on people.

    The Alessians depending on what side of the conflict you were fighting on were not exactly the good guys. They were trying to destroy the Direnni Hegemony which was not that bad of a society, and was very, very, VERY tame in comparison to the Alyieds. Also when you show him mercy in Coldharbour and release him he tries to EAT YOU! I do NOT count him as a good guy by any stretch of the imagination.

    PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK
  • UntilValhalla13
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    It's just the author's opinion though. How many other werewolves agree with those sentiments, or more importantly can control their urges? The first sentence of the second paragraph literally says for them to WITHDRAW from society.

    Now, imagine that you're a guard going about your business, when a werewolf shows up in town. Things that clearly have a rocky history towards regular people. You're not sure if this is one of the "nice" werewolves, or the "I'ma rip your throat out" werewolves, so you side with caution. You try to be open minded and reason with the beast for a small fine of gold, that it's probably not a good idea for them to be there, for everyone's safety. The other option would be to just kill it.

    From a gameplay standpoint point though, what would even be the point of transforming in town? Wasting like 300 ulti, just to be in form for like 30 seconds or whatever it is.

    *shrugs*
  • dcam86b14_ESO
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    Lore is not fact. Lore can be interpreted many ways. If the book was written by a werewolf its biased.
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    Hircine (believed to be the creator of werewolves) does not strike me as a daedric prince interested in creating noble knights /warriors.

    Also beyond the Silverhand and the followers of Stendarr, the player’s “fighters guild” reputation can be increased by slaying werewolves.

    Now a player can always choose their own disposition and NPCs can fight their nature, but the werewolf quest (when a player is first bitten) gives a pretty good account of what Hircine intends werewolves to be like.
    Hircine hates civilization, he wants everything to be wild and all entities to be both hunters and hunted.

    “ If you must fight a werewolf, arm yourself with any silver weapon, as these have proven extremely effective. However, prepare for severe gash wounds and the possibility of becoming infected. Should this occur, report to your superior for final rites to Arkay and immediate execution.

    https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dealing_with_Werewolves.

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    If I was a werewolf and writing about werewolves, I wouldn't paint myself as the villain either. I mean perhaps werewolf isn't inherently evil, but it is primal, and feral -- with that comes control (or the loss thereof), so logically the actions of a werewolf may be considered to do harm, and become vilified in the public eye. Same as vampires.
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    Katrk wrote: »
    “Throughout the ages, whenever one heard the word "werewolf," it was a cry of fear and revulsion. This need not be the case any longer. We shall prove to Tamriel that it is indeed possible to live a productive, peaceful life while afflicted with Sanies Lupinus.
    Our Rule: Resist the Urge to Commit Violence

    By withdrawing from society, one can learn how to apply this simple rule to everyday life. Do not give in to a feral desire to retaliate against those who cannot understand our plight. We are not meant to destroy others simply for sport. Hircine blessed us with the ability to fight well, with strength beyond that of an ordinary person. We must not take advantage of this blessing to hurt anyone, but rather use it in ways that benefit others like ourselves. Hunting can be a rewarding pastime, and a way of worshiping our patron. It should not be a way to torment others, whether man or beast.

    This blessing, for it is a blessing and not a curse, allows us to carry heavy loads, and to cover vast distances without tiring. We make excellent traveling merchants for this reason, as well as laborers of all kinds. By showing continued restraint, by not lifting our hand against others, by proving that hunger does not drive us to kill, we honor ourselves and our families.

    It is our duty to demonstrate that werewolves can be peaceful through our continued faith in Hircine’s blessings.”

    This is a lore book from Bangkorai titled Living with Lycanthropy. This is indisputable evidence was to why Werewolves should not be given bounties cities. I hope Zenimax takes a look at this, and correct this grave error. This is lore, and it clearly states werewolves are not evil. I look forward to debating with you in the comments.

    Sounds like you found the journal of the lone hippie werewolf.

    I found another one in Grahtwood from the same individual. Apparently he went vegan, repressed his natural aggressive state and could not find any of his kind who identified with his beliefs or message.

    He eventually became so lonely, malnutitioned and generally unfulfilled that he laid down under a mossy fallen tree, staring groggily up at the insects and birds, awaiting patiently for him to slowly pass, and went to sleep. Never to wake up.

    Meanwhile... the rest of us are are transformed, leaping around the wilderness and towns alike taring apart and ravenously feeding on our many victims.

    Content. Complete.
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    It's a book written by a werewolf and even he admits that they instill fear and also have the urge to commit violence. Now, I'm against skills that give people bounties but your argument is very weak.
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    Werewolf propaganda
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    Katrk wrote: »
    Our Rule: Resist the Urge to Commit Violence
    If they have an inborn "urge to comit violence", well... that's pretty close to the evil side for most hapless mortals who might fall victim to random werewolf violence, don't cha think? :p

    But I can see where the argument is coming from...
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    ...once again, it all depends on your point of view! ;)
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    Just because it's written in an ingame book, doesn't mean it's true. That is a very important guideline for dealing with Elder Scrolls lore.

    Apart from the already mentioned issue with the book not saying what you want it to say, at all.
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    we're werewolves. not swear wolves.


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    Guard: "I'm not saying you're an evil beast intending to slaughter us all, I'm just collecting bond money for when you inevitably lose control, transform, and hurt someone."

    Player: "Come on, who do you think I am, an NPC? I'm not going to lose control! Look, I've even toggled on "Prevent Attacking Innocents.""

    Guard: "What's an NPC? No, never mind, just pay your bond and, next time, as long as you don't transform I'll pretend I know nothing."
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    Elder Scrolls isn't d&d, anyone can be good or evil, vampires can be good if they choose and so can werewolves.
    Of course it might take some work and some will power for those afflicted with the two conditions to do this. For some strains of vampire it might be easier then it would be for other strains of Vampirism, Some strains of lycanthropy might have it easier then other strains of lycanthropy. But any strain could do it if they put their minds to it. Examples The Ravenwatch Vampires learn to control their bloodlust and they train to control themselves constantly and they feed on willing donors and use their powers for good.
    I'm sure its not easy but they do it and they succeed because they choose to and thus not allow their natures rule them.
    So Werewolves can also follow this path.
    Edited by Thevampirenight on May 1, 2020 10:55PM
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    Please add Fangs to Vampires.
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