Underperforming Racial Passives

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Now that we’ve finished clinical trials on the race passive update divines know I’m trying to keep my chin up, which one is worse? Please state why and in what area (pvp, pve, lore, etc)

There isn’t an “other” or “remove racial passives altogether” option. Just write it out (I know someone will).

xXMeowMeowXx

They still haven’t even fixed certain racial passives that don’t even work yet

>:v

Thevampirenight

Bosmer and Khajiit.
Reason Lore, and those passives look like they belong to the other race.
They should flip them that is my take.

idk

Clinical trials? LOL

We already know how most people will vote. We tend to want a buff to the race we tend to play.

Vietfox

Argonian

I would say that all races are more or less well balanced, except for Argonians. That's why i got only 1.

YandereGirlfriend

Bosmer

I went Bosmer (I don't have any Wood Elves either) but have to reserve an honorable mention for Redguards.

Their first bonus is simply ridiculous, the best thing about it is the movement speed for PvP. The rest are fine but also very uninspired and weak compared to other stamDPS races.

Redguard somehow is the most fragile race according to the bonuses (no health and no resistances, not even elemental ones) which makes no sense from a lore perspective. The snare reduction is so small so as to be useless in PvP.

Their weapon cost reduction is objectively the worst of any of the sustain races and their Stamina return ability does not scale with modifiers and requires combat to proc.

Come to think of it, I want to switch my vote back to Redguard now....

Opalblade

Argonian

Imo Argonians and Bosmer have it the worst in all areas, and I would have voted for both of them if I could. Stealth-less Bosmer and poison resistance-less Argonians make no sense in the lore, especially since NPCs continue to mention those 2 races having those traits. Heck, the bugged passive that Bosmer currently have replacing stealth makes them the LEAST stealthy race in PvP. It also seems like all the things those 2 races are currently good at can be done better by other races. They both should get their lore friendly passives back along with a small buff imo.

max_only

idk wrote: »

Clinical trials? LOL

We already know how most people will vote. We tend to want a buff to the race we tend to play.

I thought the most played race was Breton?

Juhasow

Redguard

Redguard is complete mess atm.

Razorback174

Bosmer

Bosmer and Argonian. Don't have any Argonians, so I voted Bosmer. They botched that race with what is basically an active skill with the roll dodge garbage, and even more so with the worthless stealth detection. Saddled with 2 PvP-only passives, and extremely niche ones at that. Not worth the skill points.

A passive that is only good in one area of the game is a total failure of a passive (looking at you Spell Recharge). A GOOD passive should be useful in all aspects of this game, be it overland, dungeons, trials, battlegrounds, or Cyrodiil.

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Thevampirenight wrote: »

Bosmer and Khajiit.
Reason Lore, and those passives look like they belong to the other race.
They should flip them that is my take.

I’m not sure I’d wish Bosmer passives on the worst Khajiit.

They shared 1 passive for 5 years, plenty of other races share passives.

Cundu_Ertur

Argonian

I've complained about the Bosmer passive 'Hunter's Eye' for over a year. So, naturally, I voted Argonian.

While Bosmer have a valid issue with one bum passive, Argonians are saddled with two: they should absolutely be resistant to both disease and poison, and their healing bonus is grossly weak.

For Bosmer, changing the stealth detection back to being able to hide better would be enough of a fix; though, it would be far more consistent with past games and the lore for Khajiit to get the roll dodge and fall damage bonuses with Bosmer having the pickpocket and crit damage. Those are acrobatic skills, and when acrobatics was a skill (Morrowind and Oblivion) Khajiit had the biggest racial bonus to it. But, as I said, I'd be content just to get Bosmer stealth back and not the completely useless detection crap.

For Argonians, they need to have poison resistance added to their current resistance (with immunity remaining as it is), and their healing bonus should be doubled. That is still weak, though, so adding .5m hiding bonus per rank of one of their skills (resourceful, probably) would make up the difference. This would reflect Argonians' traditional position as the third best thief race behind Bosmer (#1) and Khajiit (#2).

CassandraGemini

Bosmer

idk wrote: »

Clinical trials? LOL

We already know how most people will vote. We tend to want a buff to the race we tend to play.

We Bosmer don't really want a "buff" - we want a third passive that actually works as intended! Oh yeah, and for ZOS to give us our stealth back which was removed over a year ago with absolutely no good explanation other than "we want each race to be distinct, so we just decide to ignore all the established lore around Bosmer stealth and give it solely to the Khajiit, because... cats".

Still not over that.

MartiniDaniels

Redguard

I play mostly bosmers, but I'll be honest - most underpeforming race now is redguard. Not that it is notably worse then others, but they are simply good for nothing. Bosmers, khajiits, argonians at least have some niche applications, while redguard is outclassed by others for any roles (though difference is within 1-1.5 set bonuses)

Varana

Bosmer

idk wrote: »

Clinical trials? LOL

We already know how most people will vote. We tend to want a buff to the race we tend to play.

I don't even play a Bosmer (I have one, she's decent at crafting and holding stuff), and don't have any plans to do so.
Still, for PvE, their passives are next to useless.

DreadDaedroth

Argonian

Argonian and Bosmer.
Bosmer lost stealth passive in name of silly uniquess of passive.
Argonian got one of most boring one: 6% healing done.

gepe87

Bosmer

Bosmer. Sneak passive back and permanent physical and spell penetration value could be a nice thing.

Nord and Breton resistance the same conditions (2310 Sp.Res, double value with elemental status: Breton. 2310 Phy.Res, double value when afected by bleed, disease and poison: Nord.

Nord Resistances still too high with upcoming armor nerf.

Rake

Nord

Nord.
Thats why every stamina in PvP is nord.
They like to gimp themselves.

5cript

Argonian

Argonians are too unflexible compared to other races.
Healer or meh-PvP build.

Tommy_The_Gun

Argonian

Argonian & Bosmer (Could not vote for both).

Wood Elves need to have their stealth passive addressed, and Argonians need to have their lack of poison resistance passive addressed too. Game pretty much screams about this in almost every quest involving Argonians. "I have survived only because my kind is resistant to most poisons" etc. Also Argonian 6% healing bonus passive needs to be updated to the current standards. It was based on 2% healing bonus from gear sets, that was buffed to 4% - while Argonian's racials remained unchanged.

rexagamemnon

Imperial

Imperials should be fixed everything else in racial passives should be an afterthought.
Its the only race you have to purchase as an “upgrade” and its only remotely good as a tank. And there are other races much better suited to tanking.

Darkstorne

Argonian

Both Bosmer and Argonians are in a bad place. I think Bosmer are doing slightly better from a gameplay perspective though (despite the stealth nerf being awful) because their other passives provide more gameplay flexibility than Argonian's do.

Ideally we'd move to a place where only one passive is fixed to your race, and you get to choose the other passives from a large pool of options at certain level milestones. So a fixed racial passive at level 1, a utility focused passive at level 20 (stealth bonus, sprint speed, Argonian potion buff, Imperial self heal, Redguard stamina restore etc), and combat focused passives at level 30 and 40 (weapon dmg, spell dmg, stam/mag/health resources etc). Races still have flavour, but without feeling so pigeon-holed into specific roles. The passives now reflect your character's journey and personal choices as much as their race.

Starlock

Argonian

I don't really care about what is "underperforming" given I don't treat this game like some sort of competition. I do care whether or not racial passives actually synergies with how I play the game. And for Argonians, one of their passives revolves around using potions. I don't use potions, except in emergencies. I dislike potion use in pretty much every RPG I've ever played and view them as a crutch or an annoying game mechanic. Then another major passive for Argonians is so niche - better healing - that it's wasted on most character concepts I have for an Argonian. With 2/3 of passives being very "meh" they're definitely the worst race choice for me, even though I really like Argonians and want to create one at some point.

WildRaptorX

Altmer

Surprised to see Altmer so low. Altmer and Redguard have the most underwhelming passives

IronWooshu

This poll and these reasonings are going to be so biased towards a person's favorite race and their own personal preference for that race.

Let ZoS crunch the numbers of least race played for Trials and PVP and go from there.

Vietfox

Argonian

Keylun wrote: »

Surprised to see Altmer so low. Altmer and Redguard have the most underwhelming passives

Not in PvP, which is the only thing that matters.

SidraWillowsky

Bosmer

idk wrote: »

Clinical trials? LOL

We already know how most people will vote. We tend to want a buff to the race we tend to play.

I genuinely think that Bosmer passives are the worst. Of course part of that is that it's my preferred race, but I actually play Breton for all of my mag chars (I do not think that Bosmer need to be balanced so that they can be viable mag toons- IMO they are very much a stam race) and don't think that Bosmer need to be made to necessarily pull higher DPS. I just think that the stealth changes they made are utterly nonsensical.

JobooAGS

Redguard

With the exception of lore reasons, anyone who says bosmer is underperforming didn’t even so much as glance at the passives for redguard.

BXR_Lonestar

Imperial

I said Imperial, mainly because it doesn't seem like the racial passives offer much in the way of utility for anything outside of tanking. Even the Nord offers more for DPS, with the ability to generate additional ultimate and the ability to basically ignore adding health for more survivability. Just seems to me like Imperial is pigeonholed into being nothing but a tank.

PrimusNephilim

Bosmer

I have at least one of each race between all my characters and the Bosmer, the poor little Bosmer, I play him every now and then just so he doesn't get lonely

MEBengalsFan2001

It seems that the following races seem to have no issues...

Imperial
Breton
Altmer
Dunmer
Orc
Nord

The races that clearly have issues are Redguard, Argonian, and Bosmer. With Khajiit needing some tweaking but not in the same manner as the other three.

Out of the races that are listed fixing the passive first may help Bosmer out a bit but probably not as good as a stealth bonus. IMO, go back to the stealth bonus for Bosmer and that race should be good to go with the other races.

As for Redguard, what would fix this race for those that find it broken? As for Argonian, if the devs raised healing by 50% of its current value would it be more useful and would it be considered better almost worth moving up with the other races?