'Western Skyrim' -- why isn't it being called 'Haafinger'?

CoronHR

I don't know why that bugs me, but it bugs me.

They did it with Elsweyr too.

'Northern Elsweyr' -- why? It's Anequina.

'Southern Elsweyr' -- why? It's Senchal.

Grrr..

Cloudless

CoronHR wrote: »

'Southern Elsweyr' -- why? It's Senchal.

*Pellitine

Thevampirenight

The Skyrim Chapter actually has three Holds and one new hold that is unique as well. Called Karth or something like that.
Skyrim doesn't actually control the Reach during this time period so it might not be a hold of Skyrim so there is three holds being introduced in the Greymoor Chapter not including the stuff below ground. To me that is interesting and that is why they shouldn't call it that because they are not just doing Haafinger hold here but three unique holds.

CoronHR

Cloudless wrote: »

CoronHR wrote: »

'Southern Elsweyr' -- why? It's Senchal.

*Pellitine

Yes OK Pellitine, although Pellitine includes more than that zone.

FierceSam

Because ‘Haafinger’ doesn’t mean anything to 99% of players in the game and 100% of potential players outside the game.

‘Skyrim ‘ on the other hand....

CoronHR

Thevampirenight wrote: »

The Skyrim Chapter actually has Three Holds and one new hold that is unique as well. Called Karth or something.
My guess because Skyrim doesn't actually control the Reach during this time period so it isn't a hold of Skyrim so there is three holds being introduced in the Greymoor Chapter not including the stuff below ground.

Hmm, well it just seems lazy creatively to name it as such, but I see your point. 'Gold Coast' isn't named right either...what was that province? Part of Colovian Highlands...

belial5221_ESO

They are using province names to name chapters for whole areas,hence Skyrim(east and west) and Elsweyr(north and south). Also,Haafinger is only a hold in western Skyrim,not name of the whole western part.

CoronHR

FierceSam wrote: »

Because ‘Haafinger’ doesn’t mean anything to 99% of players in the game and 100% of potential players outside the game.

‘Skyrim ‘ on the other hand....

True, but the Morrowind expansion was called Morrowind, and the zone is called Vvardenfell. Maybe they will call the zone Haafinger and I've jumped the gun...

CoronHR

belial5221_ESO wrote: »

They are using province names to name chapters for whole areas,hence Skyrim(east and west) and Elsweyr(north and south). Also,Haafinger is only a hold in western Skyrim,not name of the whole western part.

Are we getting the whole western part? They don't usually release much more than a province or hold with these chapters.

MaisonNaevius

I agree for the "Nothern Elsweyr". They should have called "Anequina".

For the "Southern Elsweyr", however, I do not agree with "Senchal" or "Pellitine". I am thinking of something much more local name. I was thinking of "Tenmar Forest" although this region name mainly encompasses the area above.

I don't see the problem for Western Skyrim. Even if I would have preferred "Western Skyrim Kingdom".
This kingdom is made up of Solitude, Whiterun, Falkreath, Morthal and Karthwatch.

Although I am surprised that Whiterun and Falkreath are not mentioned as if the geopolitical context has changed.

belial5221_ESO

We're getting multiple holds.I haven't got on pts to see if it's the whole western skyrim, just a big chunk,or if they'll leave parts for one or 2 DLC zones.

Morrowind was names oddly,since it was nostalgic,and most older TES players would recognize it,to draw them in.

CoronHR

Maki2859 wrote: »

I agree for the "Nothern Elsweyr". They should have called "Anequina".

For the "Southern Elsweyr", however, I do not agree with "Senchal" or "Pellitine". I am thinking of something much more local name. I was thinking of "Tenmar Forest" although this region name mainly encompasses the area above.

I don't see the problem for Western Skyrim. Even if I would have preferred "Western Skyrim Kingdom".
This kingdom is made up of Solitude, Whiterun, Falkreath, Morthal and Karthwatch.

Although I am surprised that Whiterun and Falkreath are not mentioned as if the geopolitical context has changed.

I haven't seen a map of what they're releasing for Western Skryim, but I'd be very surprised if it comprises any holds aside from Solitude's. (Trying to find their map now...)

Ratzkifal

Because Western Skyrim is not just Haafingar. It's also Hjaalmarch and Karthald (which is the south-western corner of the map we get to play, which in TES V is part of the Reach).

CoronHR

Ah, I just found the map. It's actually quite large. OK I'll shut up now

Ratzkifal

CoronHR wrote: »

Maki2859 wrote: »

I agree for the "Nothern Elsweyr". They should have called "Anequina".

For the "Southern Elsweyr", however, I do not agree with "Senchal" or "Pellitine". I am thinking of something much more local name. I was thinking of "Tenmar Forest" although this region name mainly encompasses the area above.

I don't see the problem for Western Skyrim. Even if I would have preferred "Western Skyrim Kingdom".
This kingdom is made up of Solitude, Whiterun, Falkreath, Morthal and Karthwatch.

Although I am surprised that Whiterun and Falkreath are not mentioned as if the geopolitical context has changed.

I haven't seen a map of what they're releasing for Western Skryim, but I'd be very surprised if it comprises any holds aside from Solitude's. (Trying to find their map now...)

Here you go. And for comparison a Skyrim map with the holds in it.

Sheridan

I agree, it looks rather dull and generic. Yes, there are names of the provinces, and formally, this is correct in terms of geography, but with such approach we would have Southern Valenwood, Western Valenwood, Northwestern Valenwood and Northern Valenwood instead of Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor and Reaper's March in the base game. And they should rename Eastmarch in Eastern Skyrim then. And yes, this is all just because of the marketing, not lore.

Well, at least they didn't name Vvardenfell "Island Morrowind" or someting; you know, to keep in line with the chapter name.

Ratzkifal

Sheridan wrote: »

I agree, it looks rather dull and generic. Yes, there are names of the provinces, and formally, this is correct in terms of geography, but with such approach we would have Southern Valenwood, Western Valenwood, Northwestern Valenwood and Northern Valenwood instead of Grahtwood, Greenshade, Malabal Tor and Reaper's March in the base game. And they should rename Eastmarch in Eastern Skyrim then. And yes, this is all just because of the marketing, not lore.

@Sheridan How else would you call it then? It's not just Haafingar, it's also Hjaalmarch and Karthald (part of the Reach).
Fact is that Skyrim is politically split into east and west, each with their own High King claiming to be the rightful ruler of all of Skyrim. There is no good name for the area.

TheShadowScout

CoronHR wrote: »

'Western Skyrim' -- why isn't it being called 'Haafinger'?

Prolly because from the map previews I have seen it also contains some parts of the Hjaalmarch...

Of course, noone really said when those borders were drawn, and there are over a thousand years between ESO and the Skyrim of TES-V... might be that at THIS time in the second era, that region is one kingdom, and the "Haarfinger" and "Hjaalmarch" region split will only come to be in later times... or not. Up to the powers that be.

CoronHR wrote: »

Ah, I just found the map. It's actually quite large. OK I'll shut up now

Don't just look at it, post it so everyone can get their mappings on!

And rejoice all skyrim fans, even with an expected DLC companion to greymoor, there still is enough space there for y -second- expansion a couple years down the road! (though i reckon by the end of 2020, we will have enough of snow and ice and want something warm and sunburnt for next year... )

Veinblood1965

Thevampirenight wrote: »

The Skyrim Chapter actually has three Holds and one new hold that is unique as well. Called Karth or something like that.
Skyrim doesn't actually control the Reach during this time period so it might not be a hold of Skyrim so there is three holds being introduced in the Greymoor Chapter not including the stuff below ground. To me that is interesting and that is why they shouldn't call it that because they are not just doing Haafinger hold here but three unique holds.

I don't know where you get your information from but this is inaccurate. I lived through that time period and Skyrim did control The Reach, they plundered our village and murdered my dog. It's always nice when the victors rewrite history.

Ratzkifal

TheShadowScout wrote: »

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CoronHR wrote: »

Ah, I just found the map. It's actually quite large. OK I'll shut up now

Don't just look at it, post it so everyone can get their mappings on!

And rejoice all skyrim fans, even with an expected DLC companion to greymoor, there still is enough space there for y -second- expansion a couple years down the road! (though i reckon by the end of 2020, we will have enough of snow and ice and want something warm and sunburnt for next year... )

Actually, there is still room for two more chapters in Skyrim. One is Whiterun with Falkreath as DLC and the other is the Pale and Winterhold with Solstheim as DLC. The Pale and Winterhold also follow the trend of putting a huge untraversible mountain ridge right in the middle of the chapter map

MaisonNaevius

The Reach is not part of Skyrim. It is a region belonging to the Reachmens during the reign of the despot. They played a role during the Planemeld by working with Mannimarco and House Tharn.

TheShadowScout

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Actually, there is still room for two more chapters in Skyrim. One is Whiterun with Falkreath as DLC and the other is the Pale and Winterhold with Solstheim as DLC. The Pale and Winterhold also follow the trend of putting a huge untraversible mountain ridge right in the middle of the chapter map

Well, that depends what the companion DLC to "Greymoor" might be... but yeah, I guess you are right, they could very well squeeze in two more Skyrim themed expansions if they really wanted to, and not use some leftover regions for standalone or guild-sized DLCs...

Still, I expect a "been just there, done just that" effect and them making the rounds for a while before they go back to Skyrim. If I had to guess, I'd wager the next year might be either alik'r desert themed, or imperial (nibenay expansion and colovia DLC?), tho alik'r seems more likely as we already had quite a bit of imperial entanglements in Elsweyr recently...

Further down the road? Dunmer lands are still good for at least one more expansion (and I -really- want to see Necrom someday!), black marsh can at least take two unce the murkmire memories fade enough for swampyness to be a viable choice again, and then... there are still high seas and isles (especially the three akaviri ones) once they fill all of tamriel... as well as some ruins of sunken of frozen continents with yokuda and atmora, possibly even pyandonea tho the maormer are way more isolationist then the altmer... and there is always the option of letting things go to hell, or rather, oblivion as the case may be and have a whole expansion there someday...

So, I expect that gives them more then enough space to fill for the next decade if ESO lasts that long!

ArchMikem

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Because Western Skyrim is not just Haafingar. It's also Hjaalmarch and Karthald (which is the south-western corner of the map we get to play, which in TES V is part of the Reach).

The first person in this thread to spell HaafinGAR the right way.