Return or Not

kongkim

Started playing the game in beta, and i have all character slots at level 50 and done all Vet Dungeons up to Summerset.
Have not play for a long time, but from time to time stalk the forum to see what happens.

I really feel like returning the Greymoor, but when i read on the forum i still see a lot of the stuff and people that ruined a really good game for me is still here

Some of the things that made me leave were the always toxic DPS race, and people always telling others that you can't do this and that without some stupid high amount of DPS.
And most people did not even agree, always some made up ideer of what were needed, and how bad you were if you did not do it like that though were right.
The DPS race is something that really define the ESO community in a really bad way.

Also if you then try to play as a tank or healer, you quickly find out that you are not really needed unless you play trails..
Playing a character/class that is not needed unless you commit your time to a guild or groupe you know, all the time, don't make me want to evolve the character and spend my time on it, if i don't get much out of playing a short time when i have the time for it.

I really like the game, and over all love the TES lore.
I feel like returning to the game.
But then again, really lose the desire for it again when reading the forum and seeing the game is still just as i left it.

Its simply sad

bearbelly

Cool story, bro.

kongkim

bearbelly wrote: »

Cool story, bro.

Thx, glad you liked it.

Eightpeaks

It's a bit like watching the news. The less you do it, the less bad things seem. Avoid forums where the vocal minority live.

kongkim

Eightpeaks wrote: »

It's a bit like watching the news. The less you do it, the less bad things seem. Avoid forums where the vocal minority live.

So true
But the thing is that its also a common problem as soon you enter a dungeon or tries to find a group on chat.

Sarannah

kongkim wrote: »

Started playing the game in beta, and i have all character slots at level 50 and done all Vet Dungeons up to Summerset.
Have not play for a long time, but from time to time stalk the forum to see what happens.

I really feel like returning the Greymoor, but when i read on the forum i still see a lot of the stuff and people that ruined a really good game for me is still here

Some of the things that made me leave were the always toxic DPS race, and people always telling others that you can't do this and that without some stupid high amount of DPS.
And most people did not even agree, always some made up ideer of what were needed, and how bad you were if you did not do it like that though were right.
The DPS race is something that really define the ESO community in a really bad way.

Also if you then try to play as a tank or healer, you quickly find out that you are not really needed unless you play trails..
Playing a character/class that is not needed unless you commit your time to a guild or groupe you know, all the time, don't make me want to evolve the character and spend my time on it, if i don't get much out of playing a short time when i have the time for it.

I really like the game, and over all love the TES lore.
I feel like returning to the game.
But then again, really lose the desire for it again when reading the forum and seeing the game is still just as i left it.

Its simply sad

Those things used to bother me also, but then I stopped caring about those racing and pushing on as fast they can. If a dungeon run is fluid, it is ok in my eyes. Last week when tanking normal dungeons, I noticed players really really appreciate real tanks most of the time. Even after the dungeons I got many whispers thanking me.

The forum consists mostly of die-hard and elite players, yes. As these are the ones that seem to be more involved in the game and in discussions about it. Recently I have started posting from a more casual point of view. But this is what a discussion forum is for, more people should post their thoughts/ideas. Over time, this can only improve the game.

The game is still great, sometimes plagued by lag or the server being down(especially EU). But don't let this stop you from playing if you like the game.

VaranisArano

The DPS race aspect hasn't really changed much. No reason you should let that prevent you from enjoying the game, though.

Solutions:
Ignore the toxic idiots
Get good guildmates for group content

Most of Greymoor is going to be questing and antiquities, neither of which will require high DPS. And Greymoor's new trial will be filled with random groups pulled from zone chat for a good while after release, so the DPS snobbery should be less for a while.

FierceSam

Hey Kongkim

Don’t judge the game by the forums.

Just dive in and play again. You’ll find there are loads of things to do and lots of great people to do them with.

Make up your own mind.

Good luck and have fun

kongkim

FierceSam wrote: »

Hey Kongkim

Don’t judge the game by the forums.

Just dive in and play again. You’ll find there are loads of things to do and lots of great people to do them with.

Make up your own mind.

Good luck and have fun

Yah, but the problem is when you have done most content, and like to try something a bit harder, it's where you find the most people that ruins the game, and were the DPS race is really stupid and out of balance

vamp_emily

I'm sure if you just PvE you might have a good time playing but if you left the the game for those reasons you will leave again.

Silent99

As you said, you love the TES lore so just ignore the content that involves the "toxic DPS race" if you dont like it.
Like 90% of the game doesnt require you to have insane dps, just play the game like how you would play a single player game.

If you feel like you missing out on content you paid for, there are plenty of like minded individuals you could find who prefer taking their time through a dungeon instead of rushing and nuking everything.

worrallj

Eh tanks and healers are pretty important for vet dlc dungeons too, not just trials. Even regular vet dungeons running without a tank can be pretty dicey even if it's doable.

I think there's a few things people mean by the "dps race"... Some of them I agree are problems and some of them I think are probably just part of a game with a learning curve.

Some people just mean the expectation that the dps player's main goal in a group setting should be to dish out as much damage as possible while still handling mechanics. I don't really think that's a problem TBH, it's the nature of the beast.

But there ARE plenty of elitists who act like your not even worth talking to if you can't do X dps. That really bothers me. It's not even that they say you should have X dps for Y content, it's more how dismissive they can be. They make people jump through hoops to join their exclusive trial group or whatever, and below X dps "get out." It doesn't make you want to be friends with those people. This is a social game with a lot of people who are trying to escape a crummy life and have a good time, then they got people making them feel like failures in game too.

DovahkiinHeart

Hmm I echo what others have said about just ignoring the toxic players and enjoying the game at your own pace. I started out as a casual but I did want to do the hard content like vcr hm and vss hm so I taught myself and watched how more experienced players play. To be frankly honest, when you finally learn things like dps, healing, trial mechanics, sets, etc, it is frustrating when you encounter newer ppl who have yet to know those things. It's not their fault that they don't know what they don't know. Sadly that's where toxicity happens, especially in end game communities I've been part of. It goes back to the principle of forgetting where one came from once one is near the top.

I've even had two friends who were chill and tolerant of players with different skill levels but once we all started to get better, they started hanging out with some more 'competitive' (to put it nicely) community and they succumbed to having a toxic attitude themselves. Since we all started out the same, we sort of grew up together so they tried to invite me to join them. But I am not impressed by the kind of company they surrounded themselves with, despite those players having some of the hardest trial achievements in the game. I gradually stopped talking to them. I didn't care for that mindset. Behaviors like making fun of newer players through copy pastas, memeing them, generally feeding this stigma against the population of eso players who are not on the same 'tier' as them -- I see it all the time on some trial discords, and it rly says a lot about a person. It's almost like staying in that kind of environment rots their ability to empathize as human beings.

Tl;dr - Focus on what you enjoy the most about the game, and don't ever lose yourself or let your own thoughts be changed by lesser people, regardless of whether they are the best players or not. You didn't spend money and install this game for others, so don't play it for others.

RogueShark

Forums inherently showcase negativity. Happy, satisfied people are not vocal like upset or frustrated ones. Ignoring very valid complaints about things like Cyrodiil performance, I'm talking mostly about people who come here and post their "horror stories" about "toxic elitism".

I used to pug a lot. I still pug pretty frequently. I almost never come across the types of players people complain about. Best advice? Ignore the forums, hop in game, experience for yourself.

Are there bad apples and jerks? Sure, but you'll find people like that in every facet of your life, online and off. It's very easy to not associate with them in-game.

D3N7157

Bad time to return if you want to PvP - server performance is an all time low currently.
Rest of the game is alright and i can recommend playing it.

MentalxHammer

I am a dedicated mmo player, I have been loyal to this game for 5 years. This patch I have decided I won't continue playing. The direction of balance feels like they're playing darts blind.

I feel like a mouse running endlessly to catch the food at the end of a tunnel. Now they want us to regrind our vma/vdsa weapons all over, and play a minigame to earn end game mythic gear that will be nerfed in 3 months. Meanwhile necromancer is still the strongest class by a mile, and werewolf is going to be legitimately hacked.....

ImmortalCX

Its important to identify the "carrots" in the game.

ESO Carrots:

-Developing your character - Includes combat skills, running through guild questlines, crafting professions, and raising your CP level. Unfortunately, once you get the the CP300+ level, this holds little appeal as you realize the game gets more broken, so this is mostly for people who are new and < CP300.

- DPS race- Its the only way the majority of endgame players can gauge their success. Its not so much about completing content, but how well/fast you can do it. This is probably because there is very little vertical progression.

-PVP titles- The only way to show success in PVP. Or maybe they just like the mild adrenaline rush they get from playing, and enjoy the QQ from those they defeat.

-Theorycrafting- Collecting sets and evaluating builds, trying to come up with something new and different that works. This involves playing on the PTS and being "ahead of the curve", figuring out things other players may have not. Watching youtube videos and twitch streams.

-Dungeons and Monster Set Collecting- This is fun for a few months. You can only run the dungeons so many times. Probably not fun as a tank or healer.

-Gold- Trading guilds are a huge part of the game. Vendor bidding, constructing a great guild hall, etc. Writs. Playing the AH.
Must like grinding/farming. The sad truth is that short of running writs on multiple crafters, there isn't a reliable way to make more money than mat farming.

-Housing/Fashion- Related to gold above, this is where the game enters "P2W" territory.

-VMA. This twitch game is a challenge unto itself.

-Questing/Exploration/Achievements/Casual- You really like clicking through the storylines. There is more narrative built into the quests, and they avoid the "collect ten banshee claws" tropes of other MMOs. But if there is a trope in ESO its "talk to this NPC. Then talk to that NPC. Then talk to THAT NPC." ad infinitum.

-QQing - Coming to the forums and complaining about the new patch. When you've invested a large part of your life into the game, you take things personally.


With the exception of new quests and territory, each expansion the game is remarkably similar. Must like questing or be invested in one of the other pursuits.