Jephrine Paladin Daggers (or the lack of them)

Tigerseye

Does anyone else feel like they leave out dagger motifs, from style pages, a little too often?

I've just counted and there do appear to be more sword motifs than dagger motifs.

I quite liked the Jephrine Bow, so I I decided to pay the several thousand gold it took to switch my weapons to Jephrine, from my usual Pyandoneon.

Only problem is, there were no daggers, only swords:



I really like the hilt and the way the flashes of green and blue pick up the peacock feathers on the pants.

However, I couldn't help feeling slightly silly running around with two long swords; especially on a Wood Elf (albeit a fairly tall one).

So I, reluctantly, paid the several thousand more it took to switch my daggers to Ebonshadow, instead:



I get that daggers probably aren't very paladin-like, but I still think it's a bit of a shame that, while they were designing this motif, they didn't just also (quickly) make a shorter version of the blade, for daggers.

Especially as they could have left the rest of the design, more or less, the same.

Taleof2Cities

Did you try Welkynar daggers with your setup, @Tigerseye?

They are pretty similar in style to the swords ...

Sylvermynx

Huh. I hadn't even noticed there weren't daggers. Well.... I mean, I don't like the style anyway, so what I have of it I have - but surely in the entire history of paladins in games, there must have been some who used daggers?

Eh, maybe not. I'm not much on paladins personally.

YandereGirlfriend

I agree with you. It is always kind of odd seeing which pieces get left out of a new Style Page theme or Monster Set arms packs.

For an alternative elegant dagger motif, I would suggest Meridian. They are properly "dagger-sized" and are clean, classy, and sleek.

Nerouyn

Tigerseye wrote: »

I get that daggers probably aren't very paladin-like, but I still think it's a bit of a shame that, while they were designing this motif, they didn't just also (quickly) make a shorter version of the blade, for daggers.

I think that indriks and this outfit are an attempt to make up for three specific things:

a) Screwing altmer and bosmer racial passives.

b) Wardens being so very poorly designed - for anyone except stam pvp'ers.

c) Ugly arse alinor architecture.

Daggers are weapons of thieves, and we all know ZO has a different and narrow vision for them - Khajiit nightblade vampires.

I agree with you though. Lack of daggers is a shame.

Even being unable to dye the scales, it is possible to make the outfit look good in a range of colours - including nightblade black or black and red.

StormeReigns

Nerouyn wrote: »

Daggers are weapons of thieves

I agree with you though. Lack of daggers is a shame.

Even being unable to dye the scales, it is possible to make the outfit look good in a range of colours - including nightblade black or black and red.

Daggers are just not a thief weapon. [snip] Massive amount of knights, and non thief types in real history and works of fiction carried knives / daggers as a tool and as an additional weaponry.

As well, sad that there is no dagger design. Including that we can't dye the scales, minor annoyance, but still an annoyance.


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TheShadowScout

Tigerseye wrote: »

I've just counted and there do appear to be more sword motifs than dagger motifs.

Just take a look at the monster motivs someday... sheesh! Only one "engine guardian"??? It really is disheartening to any stab-happy assassin type characters...

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Huh. I hadn't even noticed there weren't daggers. Well.... I mean, I don't like the style anyway, so what I have of it I have - but surely in the entire history of paladins in games, there must have been some who used daggers?

It is not exactly a "paladin" weapon... those are more or less the picture boys/girls for "holy knight" and thus very much into "knightly" weapons... but even so, knights also did have daggers, less for combat and more for general usage, but... there we are.

StormeReigns wrote: »

Daggers are just not a thief weapon. [snip] Massive amount of knights, and non thief types in real history and works of fiction carried knives / daggers as a tool and as an additional weaponry.

Actually you just contradicted yourself there, and rightfully so.
Yes, pretty much -everyone- used daggers - to cut a piece of their hard cheese or sausage for breakfast or a snack, or as general tool, or in a pinch as weapon of last resort...
But generally, using daggers as your -main- weapon was a thing for assassins and thieves.

And even more importantly, since -everyone- usually already -had- a dagger, the armies that employed smiths to make somewehat "uniform" gear tended not to want to waste time on forging daggers too when they could make more swords or whatnot...

...thus, as much as I dislike it, it -would- make sense for the "paladin" gear not to include daggers.

But... we better get some dagger collection someday to make up for it!!!
Perhaps even on the "cheap" like I once imagined... https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/444785/make-stabbings-great-looking-again

Tigerseye

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Did you try Welkynar daggers with your setup, @Tigerseye?

They are pretty similar in style to the swords ...

Yeah, I noticed the guard was quite similar.

I think what put me off them was that the pommel and the leather grip part were both a bit busier in design.

In the end I just went with the ones I liked the most with the outfit, as a whole and that didn't have any parts that totally clashed with the bow design.

Tigerseye

Nerouyn wrote: »

Even being unable to dye the scales, it is possible to make the outfit look good in a range of colours - including nightblade black or black and red.

This is true - it would be nice to be able to dye the feathers on the pants, too.

Even though I do like both peacock feathers and the colour green.

Tigerseye

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

For an alternative elegant dagger motif, I would suggest Meridian. They are properly "dagger-sized" and are clean, classy, and sleek.

Thank you for the suggestion, but I think they're a little too plain for this outfit.

I think it needs a bit of glamour and also, ideally, a slightly more organic look; especially for a Wood Elf.

Really looking for the Goldilocks zone between the plain and the overly ornate.

I'm quite happy with the organic shape and the slightly leafy-looking surface decoration of the Ebonshadow, but it would have been nice to have had the flashes of blue and the green enamelled parts of the Jephrine.

Eifleber

ESO has no realistical daggers - they just call them dagger but actually they're all swords.

I don' t believe I have seen any daggers in the game that were actually smaller than Roman gladius size swords.

Sheezabeast

Stags of Zen daggers would be perfect for the aesthetic ☺️

Danikat

I agree, I'd like to have daggers available because I was planning to use some pieces from this set on my warden and her main weapons are sword/dagger, now I'll have to find something else to use instead.

More generally I'd like all the sets to include all pieces, just because it gives us more options to mix and match to create styles that look right for the character. It's never occurred to me before reading this topic to worry about what ZOS calls them, like not using a set with 'paladin' in the name on any character who doesn't fit the stereotype of a knightly paladin. I just go by how it looks and choose whichever is the closest fit to the idea in my head.

Lumenn

Well, unless I missed it(i certainly don't know HOW, even with my limited time, but it's possible) I didn't see a maul either. 2h sword yes, but no maul, no mace. So I wouldn't put too much stock in daggers not being "Paladin" like. What's more "paladin" than a mace and shield? They run what they want. But yes, I agree, it would be nice if they did all slots for a "style"

Kahnak

Eifleber wrote: »

ESO has no realistical daggers - they just call them dagger but actually they're all swords.

I don' t believe I have seen any daggers in the game that were actually smaller than Roman gladius size swords.

Roman gladius were up to two feet long, excluding the hilt. You're telling me that you haven't seen any 'daggers' in game shorter than that? Sure.

ArchangelIsraphel

Agreed, to be honest, it would have been easy enough for them to downsize the swords and shorten the blades so that we'd have a dagger motif. It would have been nice.

Nerouyn

Tigerseye wrote: »

Thank you for the suggestion, but I think they're a little too plain for this outfit.

I think it needs a bit of glamour and also, ideally, a slightly more organic look; especially for a Wood Elf.

Really looking for the Goldilocks zone between the plain and the overly ornate.

I'm quite happy with the organic shape and the slightly leafy-looking surface decoration of the Ebonshadow, but it would have been nice to have had the flashes of blue and the green enamelled parts of the Jephrine.

It doesn't have the flashes of blue like Jephrine or the same altmer kind of look, but the buoyant armiger dagger (and other weapons) might suit you? I'm quite fond of them, especially for my elves.

https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/buoyant-armiger-iron-dagger/

Tigerseye

Nerouyn wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Thank you for the suggestion, but I think they're a little too plain for this outfit.

I think it needs a bit of glamour and also, ideally, a slightly more organic look; especially for a Wood Elf.

Really looking for the Goldilocks zone between the plain and the overly ornate.

I'm quite happy with the organic shape and the slightly leafy-looking surface decoration of the Ebonshadow, but it would have been nice to have had the flashes of blue and the green enamelled parts of the Jephrine.

It doesn't have the flashes of blue like Jephrine or the same altmer kind of look, but the buoyant armiger dagger (and other weapons) might suit you? I'm quite fond of them, especially for my elves.

https://eso.mmo-fashion.com/buoyant-armiger-iron-dagger/

Yes, the colour of the blades of the Buoyant Armiger is nice and it also has a similar type of woven grip to the bow.

Main reason I didn't go for them was because they don't take dye the same way as the bow, on the metallic and leather parts.

In fact, the leather grip doesn't seem to dye lighter, at all; only darker.

Not taking certain dyes well, if at all, is a problem quite a lot of them seem to have.

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Stags of Zen daggers would be perfect for the aesthetic ☺️

Yes, I did consider them, as well.

The blade has an organic, leafy feel and they dye well.

Didn't go for them, in the end, as the blades are a bit too wide for my Elf and the pommel is a little more ornate, again.

The Ebonshadow ended up choosing themselves, via a process of elimination, as much as anything else.

They were the least not what I wanted...

They were a pleasant, organic shape, the weave of the grip wasn't exactly the same, but wasn't totally dissimilar to the bow's woven grip and they dyed properly.

ZOS_Lunar

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