ZoS Leadership and the Future Death of ESO, the game we love.

dragonesti

It has become more & more apparent that ZoS leadership is failing this community. The programming aspect of the game has clearly begun to spiral beyond ZoS' ability to manage. Patches are becoming almost laughable. Not only what the patches address is an issue, but the vast quantity of problems they fail to address continues to amount at an alarming rate. This may be the first MMO in history to die from programming ineptitude. They continue to apply band aides when open-heart surgery is needed. PvP is a mess and now lag now has invaded PvE which is ESO's lifeblood. Dungeons have long-term bugs. Player frustration is rising. It is inevitable that the rate of subscriber loss will continue to increase. I love this game. It could be great but sadly it never will be if ZoS continues to operate in it's current manner.

caperb

I think everyone can agree with you on that. It is at least obvious the board of ZeniMax Media doesn't care, since they control how much resources are assigned to this game.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter how many times someone says it here on the forums, they won't read it. Also they don't like you to discuss such things here.

Marolf

Beating a dead-horse will not bring it back to life. There must be some positives, otherwise no one would be playing still.

Alamakot

caperb wrote: »

Unfortunately it doesn't matter how many times someone says it here on the forums, they won't read it. Also they don't like you to discuss such things here.

I don't agree, they read them. Look, how many similar threads were cleaned or locked because od "baiting"

Neoealth

Alamakot wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

Unfortunately it doesn't matter how many times someone says it here on the forums, they won't read it. Also they don't like you to discuss such things here.

I don't agree, they read them. Look, how many similar threads were cleaned or locked because od "baiting"

That's not the board of the company, it's the forum moderators who close threads.

xeNNNNN

Marolf wrote: »

Beating a dead-horse will not bring it back to life. There must be some positives, otherwise no one would be playing still.

There are reasons but I wouldnt call them positives.

Veterans:
- Most people still play because of raids (in some cases because they have nothing else better to do)
- Others just log in to do dailies because of the thought that "one day I might play again" thought process.
- Trader economy, a lot of people have invested a lot of time an effort into the game but are kinda trapped too seeing as just - passing the work off to someone else is kinda redundant when its you who has built it up and then there is the pressure of =-you being the one doing it and others relying on you to do it.
- PvP because its just something to do. Most PvPers are just around because its alls they've got really.

Thats it really. Veterans have no real reason to play, pitiful dungeons that aren't even remotely hard. One raid A YEAR which is a bit of a joke by MMO standards. The economy of the game is rather addicting as is the login in for dailies which is a hard routine to get out of.

New players:
- eVerYthINg iS sHinY

Thats bassically it.

yeah at its core the game is fun. But its mired in so much crap that its not worth playing currently. I've even shut down the raid group me and my friends were running purely because the game is so garbage atm Half the group was just logging in to burn resources in raids with no way to replace them because half don't really play outside of the raid nights.

A_Silverius

They are creating a new IP instead of improving the game that got them the revenue.

Curious_Death

I think they don't understand why animation cancelling was for soo long in game... and why block patch (u25) screwed evrything... simply server software of our game can't hold all the work it needs to do... also game engine can't work good when server gives soo delayed info, i wrote post about it and here it is in spoiler:

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I did my homework:

each time u change zone : server gives u different channel - each channel have different end number of IP ex. xxx.xx.xxx.101 in craglorn then u go to grahtwood : xxx.xx.xxx.105 - sometimes u get delayed this process or channel is full and client waits for another channel - it takes 4 min? 10 min? or u wont get new coz client stuck at waiting.

ALSO:

New patch broke gameplay - overloaded servers (actual situation when every1 is at home) now have more things to do and client less - so FPS went up... but server hamsters re getting exhausted - we get delayed information about our position... and we reply also delayed... so WHOLE gameplay is delayed... i have records of my gameplay ofc in our flawless cyrodiil : where players just teleport and i cannot hit them... then server just teleport me to my position from 5-10 seconds!!! i was hit by templar beam from +70 meters!!! (rly fun animation).
pic:

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ps. cast time of ultimate abilities... was the worst change: i miss with them coz of delay or never fire this ultis.

Nemesis7884

zos wont react before player numbers dwindle at which point they will milk it dry since it has alreasy exceeded its originally planned lifecycle...so just enjoy the ride if you can or move on....

TragedyOA

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Lysette

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

zos wont react before player numbers dwindle at which point they will milk it dry since it has alreasy exceeded its originally planned lifecycle...so just enjoy the ride if you can or move on....

I doubt that the life cycle was planned to be that short - a game like this can go on for well over a decade.

Jaraal

Marolf wrote: »

Beating a dead-horse will not bring it back to life. There must be some positives, otherwise no one would be playing still.

Crown store still running smoothly, and there's an endless supply of reskinned Indriks to grind. Plus you get to quest with NPCs you sentenced to death a long time ago, so if you've been having regrets all along, now's your time to make it up to them and party with them like they were never gone. See, it wasn't your fault after all!

Waynerx8

Never had so many posts removed, and now have received the red envelope this morning, can't fix so we will try and hide the issue.

L2Pissue

TragedyOA wrote: »

https://steamcharts.com/app/306130

Quality not quantity, [Snip]

[Edited for bait]

Lysette

Jaraal wrote: »

Marolf wrote: »

Beating a dead-horse will not bring it back to life. There must be some positives, otherwise no one would be playing still.

Crown store still running smoothly, and there's an endless supply of reskinned Indriks to grind. Plus you get to quest with NPCs you sentenced to death a long time ago, so if you've been having regrets all along, now's your time to make it up to them and party with them like they were never gone. See, it wasn't your fault after all!

For some of my characters Lyris is still rotting in cold harbor - guess she took a break from there and is on vacation.

Suligost

Game need better personel to hire to deal with issues like servers/optimization, also they will need to slowly improve overall animations/graphic as everything aging (also engine might be problem). I think game need more hardcore content like new PvP zone I mentioned as its main endgame.

Also new solo/duo trials throu which nobody can carry you (WTS vThat and vThat, skin runs, PM ME!!!), I want to remind you that Dark Souls franchise is one of the most popular and income generating and malestrom was closet to it (imagine solo trial with good plot and design, instead just arenas). I hated it at beginning (as Dark Souls) and started liking it with tries and time xD

Things that will keep people in game. I wont lie, when you have most of your gear you just sitting in PvP (I dont consider it disaster, its way better then its used to be) and trials? Farming gear for other trials where you stand, smash 3 buttons or spam heals is just mind degenerating for me.

Tandor

I understand the intense frustration of those players impacted by the ongoing performance issues, but I do think that they under-estimate the number of players who don't experience issues on the same scale. The game will continue just fine, as present numbers indicate, but let's hope that the issues can soon be resolved.

Suligost

Tandor wrote: »

I understand the intense frustration of those players impacted by the ongoing performance issues, but I do think that they under-estimate the number of players who don't experience issues on the same scale. The game will continue just fine, as present numbers indicate, but let's hope that the issues can soon be resolved.

Might suprise some people but Cyro works slightly better for me... slightly but better.

Wlnamp

dragonesti wrote: »

It has become more & more apparent that ZoS leadership is failing this community. The programming aspect of the game has clearly begun to spiral beyond ZoS' ability to manage. Patches are becoming almost laughable. Not only what the patches address is an issue, but the vast quantity of problems they fail to address continues to amount at an alarming rate. This may be the first MMO in history to die from programming ineptitude. They continue to apply band aides when open-heart surgery is needed. PvP is a mess and now lag now has invaded PvE which is ESO's lifeblood. Dungeons have long-term bugs. Player frustration is rising. It is inevitable that the rate of subscriber loss will continue to increase. I love this game. It could be great but sadly it never will be if ZoS continues to operate in it's current manner.

it's some kind of snot and crying, no specifics

Jaraal

Lysette wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Marolf wrote: »

Beating a dead-horse will not bring it back to life. There must be some positives, otherwise no one would be playing still.

Crown store still running smoothly, and there's an endless supply of reskinned Indriks to grind. Plus you get to quest with NPCs you sentenced to death a long time ago, so if you've been having regrets all along, now's your time to make it up to them and party with them like they were never gone. See, it wasn't your fault after all!

For some of my characters Lyris is still rotting in cold harbor - guess she took a break from there and is on vacation.

Taking everyone on a skiing vacation very soon!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/517334/so-are-we-going-to-talk-about-the-skyrim-ski-lifts

Lysette

Suligost wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

I understand the intense frustration of those players impacted by the ongoing performance issues, but I do think that they under-estimate the number of players who don't experience issues on the same scale. The game will continue just fine, as present numbers indicate, but let's hope that the issues can soon be resolved.

Might suprise some people but Cyro works slightly better for me... slightly but better.

And that makes it really hard to fix, when experiences differ that much.

Beardimus

Performance isnt perfect but for me its good enough to enjoy the game - what they utterly fail on is stopping cheaters. multiple tickets, tags on here, DM's - and nothing. thats a disgrace.

Lysette

Tandor wrote: »

I understand the intense frustration of those players impacted by the ongoing performance issues, but I do think that they under-estimate the number of players who don't experience issues on the same scale. The game will continue just fine, as present numbers indicate, but let's hope that the issues can soon be resolved.

Yes, like me - i was affected by stutter issues - which are now fixed. Now it is long loading screens, but Gina said they are on it and it will soon be fixed as well. Then the game will be just fine from my limited perspective again - and a lot might just be like me, coming from single player TES and playing it like Skyrim, just enjoying the normal overland content and normal dungeons.There is so much content that I'm not likely to ever have to play anything else in this game.

Veles

I am pretty sure soon they will add point in the ToS that we are to blame for any detected bug... oh w8, it is already there.

Dracane

I am only assuming and this could be wrong. Yet I think Zenimax is unwilling to invest into ESO, namely long overdue hardware upgrades. You can only do so much on a software side when the foundation is rotten. They try to find complicated and vague ways to make things work, but it does not.

So many people are playing and even more would when the game was running well and the combat team got it together. They must earn alot with this game. So it breaks my heart to see how little they are willing to invest into. I think ESO deserves this and I believe Zenimax very well has the means for it. Maybe they grew bored of working on ESO and only try to earn money from it for projects they truly care about.

That would explain why nothing is done, why everything takes forever and why they keep doing balance changes that are aimed at annoying and driving away everyone. This game deserves good treatment and care. I wish they would appreciate it as much as we did.

Tigerseye

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

zos wont react before player numbers dwindle at which point they will milk it dry since it has alreasy exceeded its originally planned lifecycle...so just enjoy the ride if you can or move on....

Do you know, for sure, what its "orginally planned lifecycle" was?

...because, given that it was (largely) based on WoW and WoW was already around 7 years old (and still going pretty strong) when they were starting to design ESO (and 9.5 years old, when it launched), it would seem odd that they would assume a fairly similar game would only have a 5 year (or less) life span?

Dracane

Tigerseye wrote: »

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

zos wont react before player numbers dwindle at which point they will milk it dry since it has alreasy exceeded its originally planned lifecycle...so just enjoy the ride if you can or move on....

Do you know, for sure, what its "orginally planned lifecycle" was?

...because, given that it was (largely) based on WoW and WoW was already around 7 years old (and still going pretty strong) when they were starting to design ESO (and 9.5 years old, when it launched), it would seem odd that they would assume a fairly similar game would only have a 5 year (or less) life span?

I think they talked about 10 years or more during promotions for ESO.
A good MMO (which ESO is) can go for so long when it is fostered well and not too many stupid decisions are being made. But Zenimax is doing a complete Blizzard since 1-2 years. The folly of humanity, is that we never seem to learn from history. That is why we deserve nothing but failure.

Solace1981

This game makes its money from the crown store. As long as it keeps making $ they do not care.

valeriiya

They care about money and that's it.
Someone else posted about this in a thread that disappeared, the game isn't for us anymore. The people that come to the forums are different from the people on Facebook and Twitter. Look on Facebook, those people are happy and jolly and love the game. We love the game but the things we want will never happen.

dragonesti

Marolf wrote: »

Beating a dead-horse will not bring it back to life. There must be some positives, otherwise no one would be playing still.

There are a lot of positives, which is why I love the game and it's current state is so frustrating. Last night I kept getting the "cannot be revived bug" in Lair of Maarselok. I would log out/in then die once and it would be back. Very frustrating.

WilliamESO

PVE is irrelevant only pvp 1vX matter