Best and worst dot in the game?

JinMori

Speculate.

I'm bored.

It doesn't necessarily have to be about damage.

GeorgeBlack

Hurricane.
Without any effort dmgs your enemies while you heal around a rock


Worst. All the rest

Dracane

The worst dot damage wise would certainly be scalding rune. The strongest damage wise might be Lacerate.
I only thought about on target dots, not any aoe over times.

Runefang

Nerf damage is the strongest damage over time.

mocap

DK's Standard of Might powered by Elf bane. Lightning heavy attack powered by vMA, Infallible Aether and/or Infiltrator.
From single targets DOT's (since you didn't state what excatly type of DOT) i like Crippling Grasp, i don't think it's super duper stonk, but effective both in PvE and PvP.

Vildebill

Icehearts dot component deal abysmal damage.

JinMori

Dracane wrote: »

The worst dot damage wise would certainly be scalding rune. The strongest damage wise might be Lacerate.
I only thought about on target dots, not any aoe over times.

If you look at only the dot, probably yes, but if you look at the ability as a whole, it's really strong.

It's aoe, has a tooltip of about 20k, which is higher than entropy by 2k, and it's fire damage, the only downside is that it's targeted on the ground with arming time.

The only thing it needs to make it even better is to provide minor force, and then it would be used on every mag spec.

Dracane

JinMori wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

The worst dot damage wise would certainly be scalding rune. The strongest damage wise might be Lacerate.
I only thought about on target dots, not any aoe over times.

If you look at only the dot, probably yes, but if you look at the ability as a whole, it's really strong.

It's aoe, has a tooltip of about 20k, which is higher than entropy by 2k, and it's fire damage, the only downside is that it's targeted on the ground with arming time.

The only thing it needs to make it even better is to provide minor force, and then it would be used on every mag spec.

That is a really good idea. Though nobody would use acceleration in pve anymore if they did this.
But there is a reason why most magicka DDs, if possible, prefer beasttrap over it. Because it also deals damage on its own.

JinMori

Dracane wrote: »

JinMori wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

The worst dot damage wise would certainly be scalding rune. The strongest damage wise might be Lacerate.
I only thought about on target dots, not any aoe over times.

If you look at only the dot, probably yes, but if you look at the ability as a whole, it's really strong.

It's aoe, has a tooltip of about 20k, which is higher than entropy by 2k, and it's fire damage, the only downside is that it's targeted on the ground with arming time.

The only thing it needs to make it even better is to provide minor force, and then it would be used on every mag spec.

That is a really good idea. Though nobody would use acceleration in pve anymore if they did this.
But there is a reason why most magicka DDs, if possible, prefer beasttrap over it. Because it also deals damage on its own.

Yea, this is exactly why i would prefer having a magicka tzogwin at the moment compared to jokeda, but if they actually make rune like trap beast for magicka, magicka jokeda will be better than tzogwin.

I would still like both sets though.

They should increase the duration to 18 seconds, and also, maybe change the damage profile a bit, right now i feel like it does too much damage upfront as a dot.

And it should do about 5 to 7% of the total dps dot and direct damage overall.

If they actually do this, this will push magicka above stamina in terms of dps.

I have already discussed this in another forum, but it seems that stamina does less damage in an equal environment as magicka. Basically, if you have sets that are about the same, magicka pulls ahead. This was not the case pre endless hail and caltrops nerf. A bit of an oopsie.

Tommy_The_Gun

Worst AOE DOT is probably Twisting Path.

Luckylancer

Hurricane deal more damage than it is supposed to compared to other aoe dots if I remember correctly. It cant be dodged and cleansed. It give extra speed and heal procs. Very strong but stamsorc needs it to be balanced. There are stronger ult dots but hey you cant spam them back to back.

Weak, hmm.... maybe soul trap??

JinMori

Right now i feel like the only dot that is really actually good is venomous claw.

The rest are all pretty meh, compared to what they could be, aside from a few that are good, but not excellent.

I think they should buff pretty much all dots by about 20 to 30 %, to bring them back to about elsweyr level again, maybe a bit lower since a lot of them have increased durations.

But gotta be careful not to run into a situation where we only use dots again.

justaquickword

"The best dots are the ones used on me. Nerf them. The worst dots are the ones I use. Buff them"

^ Every thread created.

YandereGirlfriend

Luckylancer wrote: »

Hurricane deal more damage than it is supposed to compared to other aoe dots if I remember correctly. It cant be dodged and cleansed. It give extra speed and heal procs. Very strong but stamsorc needs it to be balanced. There are stronger ult dots but hey you cant spam them back to back.

Weak, hmm.... maybe soul trap??

The damage is definitely not that high.

Wearing 2H/Bow dungeon setup (Tzogvin, AY, Velidreth) and 4200 Weapon Damage the tooltip is 940 damage/second compared to 1520/second for Endless Hail and 1480 damage/second for Carve (when added to Direct Damage portion).

Factor in 50% Battle Spirit nerf gets you to 420 damage/second and another ~50% from resistances and other sources and you're at ~210 damage/second (and even less in a BG without access to CP). In other words, few players are dying to or being overly pressured by Hurricane.

It does indirectly give heals but that is sort of an anti-synergy for most PvP builds where Critical Chance is your dump stat. Movement is nice but in a format where so many are Orcs and have easy access to Major Expedition and gap-closers, it rarely feels like you have a decisive move speed advantage (without using Streak).

Blade Cloak is probably the most comparable DoT to Hurricane, being a moves-with-caster AoE DoT. I have 1450 damage/second for Deadly Cloak and 700 damage/second for Quick Cloak, but that latter also comes with Major Evasion, Major Expedition, usually Major Protection, AND it can proc poisons and weapon enchantments, making it (IMO) the winner between the two.