Inhale and Ash Cloud still need some attention

Urzigurumash

That is all. The DK toolkit is pretty strong these days, but these 2 skills still see very little use.

tsaescishoeshiner

I've been using Inhale in vMA, and it's a very pretty skill that is trying to serve like 8 functions

1. Close-range AoE interrupt
2. Self-heal that requires nearby targets
3. Small AoE damage
4. Medium delayed AoE damage

It kinda works, but it's so expensive and very rare that you'll ever be using it for all these purposes at once. I don't want to say that its myriad purposes make it useless, because it is a unique skill. But adding more damage/survivability/sustain to it would be nice, maybe instead of the interrupt? An AoE interrupt is rare, but idk if anyone uses it for that, especially since its close-range, so you could just ... bash instead

As a QoL change, it would be nice if you could pre-cast it with no enemies around you and still deal the delayed burst. Currently, you have to hit a target with the first hit in order to activate the second one

Vevvev

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

It kinda works, but it's so expensive and very rare that you'll ever be using it for all these purposes at once. I don't want to say that its myriad purposes make it useless, because it is a unique skill. But adding more damage/survivability/sustain to it would be nice, maybe instead of the interrupt? An AoE interrupt is rare, but idk if anyone uses it for that, especially since its close-range, so you could just ... bash instead

I tried to use it as an interrupt but the act of holding block and bashing is faster because it cancels whatever animation was playing. In very rare cases where you're surrounded by NPCs all doing some kind of channel it is very useful, but its not the best interrupt skill out there.

Wing

increased damage by 2.3 % note this makes it a rule breaker as it actually does some damage now.

Urzigurumash

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

I've been using Inhale in vMA, and it's a very pretty skill that is trying to serve like 8 functions

1. Close-range AoE interrupt
2. Self-heal that requires nearby targets
3. Small AoE damage
4. Medium delayed AoE damage

It kinda works, but it's so expensive and very rare that you'll ever be using it for all these purposes at once. I don't want to say that its myriad purposes make it useless, because it is a unique skill. But adding more damage/survivability/sustain to it would be nice, maybe instead of the interrupt? An AoE interrupt is rare, but idk if anyone uses it for that, especially since its close-range, so you could just ... bash instead

As a QoL change, it would be nice if you could pre-cast it with no enemies around you and still deal the delayed burst. Currently, you have to hit a target with the first hit in order to activate the second one

Yeah, I'd be all for narrowing the scope of the skill. Of course one distinct morph for stam, one for mag, would be ideal. As for the interrupt, I don't PvE much, but I've been asked to slot this skill when tanking upstairs at Hel Ra. In PvP, I've thought about using it as a way to proc Noble's Conquest, since I don't have easy access to that debuff, but I've never gotten around to it.

As for adding a delay to the burst, I think that would technically qualify it as a Channeled Ability, which I do not believe it presently is. Since DKs have I believe 0 Channeled Abilities, and some things in this game explicitly do not work with them, I'm not sure I'm crazy about that particular idea.

As for the cost, the Deep Breath magicka restoration feature is the only thing that makes this skill usable for a StamDK in PvP, but if we could get a stamina morph we could obviously do without that feature.

Urzigurumash

And yes, solo PvE is probably the only place Inhale shines very much. It used to see some use in Cyro years ago, but I haven't seen it in a long time. When Maw first came out, I thought I was supposed to be able to solo it, so I started trying to build around this skill.

As for Ash Cloud, I do use it from time to time in Domination, but it's really only worth the slot if we don't have a healer, and for a StamDK probably doesn't beat out more resources devoted to Igneous + Echoing Vigor efficiency wise.

SpLaTTyDaDDy

Got flawless on my magdk using 5bsw/5sun/1vma inferno/grothdar.
Whipsetup ran inhale on the back bar. Actually worked really good for killing adds. It shined on the ice round killing ice mages and the fire daedra round with the flame spinners. Easily interrupted.

Kadoin

Sorry disagree completely.

azjuwelz

Disagree about Inhale as I've used it quite successfully as part of a burst.

Would be nice to have a cost reduction though.