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Gravedigger Costume and Lantern Location (QoL)
StormeReigns
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A simplistic QoL (quality of life) request, as well to see the insight from others about Gravedigger costume.
Speaking as an artist, I love the design of Gravedigger costume and the aesthetics and the multi-use theme it provides, from actual gravedigger, to rugged and ragged traveler.
As well, as an artist - there is one minor detail that seems to just poke me in the eye. The Viewer's Eye so to speak. The lantern.
While I do love the design of how the lantern is (did wish it gave a mild glow during night / dark areas) how it is just attached to the hip is off setting to the design as a whole. Only moving when really moving - it is bolted onto the thigh and moves with the leg.
I feel that it (the lantern) should personally be placed on the roughsack - this would provide a nice asymmetrical appearance. It doesn't even have to move, or move much.
Other colleagues who I play with feel the same, but also provided insight that keeping it in its same location but with a mild separate animation from the legs even when idle.
What are your thoughts about it?
Speaking as an artist, I love the design of Gravedigger costume and the aesthetics and the multi-use theme it provides, from actual gravedigger, to rugged and ragged traveler.
As well, as an artist - there is one minor detail that seems to just poke me in the eye. The Viewer's Eye so to speak. The lantern.
While I do love the design of how the lantern is (did wish it gave a mild glow during night / dark areas) how it is just attached to the hip is off setting to the design as a whole. Only moving when really moving - it is bolted onto the thigh and moves with the leg.
I feel that it (the lantern) should personally be placed on the roughsack - this would provide a nice asymmetrical appearance. It doesn't even have to move, or move much.
Other colleagues who I play with feel the same, but also provided insight that keeping it in its same location but with a mild separate animation from the legs even when idle.
What are your thoughts about it?
Gravedigger Costume and Lantern Location (QoL) 29 votes
Allow lantern to hang from the roughsack in back
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Keep lantern attached to beltstrap, but allow unique mild animation seperate from leg movement / mild sway animation.
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Keep everything as is / unchanged
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8 votes
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✭✭✭✭✭StormeReigns wrote: »A simplistic QoL (quality of life) request, as well to see the insight from others about Gravedigger costume.
Speaking as an artist, I love the design of Gravedigger costume and the aesthetics and the multi-use theme it provides, from actual gravedigger, to rugged and ragged traveler.
As well, as an artist - there is one minor detail that seems to just poke me in the eye. The Viewer's Eye so to speak. The lantern.
So as an artist, do you often have people suggest you change your art? Technically speaking, an artist did draw that costume and as an artist, you are telling them they did it wrong and should change it.
As a customer of a corporation, I can see asking for a change but you are doing this as an artist, essentially suggesting you are a better artist.
Just my thought after reading the OP.4 -
StormeReigns✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, often. Worked in a studio environment for 5 years, freelance for 15 years and finishing up a 3 year contract.
So as an artist, do you often have people suggest you change your art?
Designs change, multiple times, even a final draft / finished-finalized version is never truly completed and can and often be altered, even years later down the road by the same artist, or by another.
No where was stated that it was wrong. Art cannot be wrong, but it can be criticized, pointing out what may make it seem off, from minor to even major, with suggestion(s) to assist to make the design standout more among many other designs - if the artist is willing to see it.Technically speaking, an artist did draw that costume and as an artist, you are telling them they did it wrong and should change it.
Which I did provide. Criticism, and suggestion(s) on what I feel could make it stand out more among the multiple other designs.
As a customer, as well artist who has worked in similar settings, there is no indication that was presented to say who is better or worse or even who is right. Just criticism and suggestion.As a customer of a corporation, I can see asking for a change but you are doing this as an artist, essentially suggesting you are a better artist.
Just my thought after reading the OP.
Could be that I wasn't clear enough and some how it seemed that I fell into the "Time to hate on ZoS here is a generic blanket statement" crowd, or could be you reading into it way to deeply. Either way - thank you for your thoughts.Edited by StormeReigns on March 31, 2020 6:58AM4 -
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✭✭Keep lantern attached to beltstrap, but allow unique mild animation seperate from leg movement / mild sway animation.Having a lantern hanging off the backpack would set off my OCD, wouldn't be very practical.So they raised the floor and lowered the ceiling. Except the ceiling has spikes in it now and the floor is also lava.0 -
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✭✭They can't fix a description in CS or actual bugs/clipping on costumes (like hovering hip flaps and belt buckles or weird fattening on Breton and Elven hero costumes) and you expect them to change something purely for aesthetics? They won't do it, you know.
EDIT: I fixed my spelling.Edited by Michae on March 31, 2020 9:31AM"I bear the cruel weight of certainty. Total, absolute, relentless certainty. People rarely comprehend the luxury of doubt... the freedom that comes with indecision. I envy you."
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✭✭Keep everything as is / unchangedIn my opinion, if you thought you could do a better job then you should have applied for the job as well. It's an open market, so that was an option.
It's art.
Frankly I think that means it isn't actually possible to be wrong.
Or are you saying otherwise, in which you are saying that art has limitations?In-game username: Un1korn | Happy member of the PCNA UESP guild (Resident Daggerfall Covenant enjoyer) | Main & basically only character: Crucian Vulpin, Imperial Dragonknight of the Daggerfall Covenant, and Undaunted Bulwark (I tank) | Mountain bike enjoyer and vulpine appreciator | If you know me from PCEU: No | To ZOS: THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME BRING MY HORSE INTO BATTLE!0 -
phermitgb✭✭✭✭✭Keep lantern attached to beltstrap, but allow unique mild animation seperate from leg movement / mild sway animation.skipping the arguments about art being right or wrong...
putting it on the back makes little sense to me, unless lanterns radiate light in a manner that I wouldn't normally expect from a backpack. Putting it on "a" hip" is not only fairly conventional in gaming, but also seems to make basic sense as far as putting a light source somewhere where your body isn't blocking your forward view.
I certainly wouldn't mind seeing some very subtle motion from the lantern, but on the other hand, if the lantern motion was too noticeable, it might be distracting, having a little bit wobbling constantly. It gets even worse if there's a sound effect attached to it. A little metal "clink" every time it wags back and forth would be REALLY obnoxious (to me at least) if the sound didn't fade into the back of my mind after the first few seconds.
So, pound for pound, I feel like the setup as is is probably the best option to go with, unless they are VERY careful about animating and...sounding(?)...the lantern with some more "realistic" motion."There is no correct resolution; It's a test of character."
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InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭Allow lantern to hang from the roughsack in backBoth suggestions sounds great to me backpack/hip-sway.
Went with backpack cause if dual wielding, the weapons most likely interfere with the lamp (aka an axe or a sword going straight through it).Edit = Typos ... as usual. <;D0 -
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✭Also work in Commercial Art field. Designs get redone, redrafted and critiqued all the time.
Can’t believe that guys response was “as an artist do people ask you to change your work” . Yes, yes they do. Daily.Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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kaisernick✭✭✭✭✭Keep lantern attached to beltstrap, but allow unique mild animation seperate from leg movement / mild sway animation.CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »In my opinion, if you thought you could do a better job then you should have applied for the job as well. It's an open market, so that was an option.
It's art.
Frankly I think that means it isn't actually possible to be wrong.
Or are you saying otherwise, in which you are saying that art has limitations?
you clearly have never worked or trained as a artist because people will often give advice on how to improve something, it isnt a failure of the creator as they made it, but refusing help from a fellow artist because they dared to give a opinion is just stubbon and beleiving that you can never need help.1 -
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✭While I do love the design of how the lantern is (did wish it gave a mild glow during night / dark areas)
This should be a thing. Great idea.2 -
NotaDaedraWorshipper✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't give a damn about its movement, I also like it that it hangs from the belt near the hip, though it could definitely be higher up and not lie on the thigh, since that's the more practical place to have it. What I don't like though, is that it doesn't glow! This is the second time we get a costume with a lantern and neither cast any kind of light. That's what ruins it for me.Edited by NotaDaedraWorshipper on March 31, 2020 10:33PM[Lie] Of course! I don't even worship Daedra!1 -
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✭Btw is the costume already off, I cannot see it in the web page shop (cannot log in to game atm)?0 -
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✭✭✭I wish it were higher up on the hip, connected to the belt on a ring. Even if it did swing, you wouldn't want a lantern swinging down there. That's a good way to extinguish or break your lantern. Practicality aside, it also has a way of dragging the entire design down. The silhouette would be a lot more balanced if it were higher on the hip. I, too, am speaking as an artist. It should also glow, even if it doesn't cast any dynamic light.
Sidebar: love your fashion. Pairing that with the tophat gives you a very Bloodborne look. I wasn't convinced by this outfit, but I do have that hat, so maybe. . . .
[edited to add more thoughts to the first paragraph]Edited by SickleCider on March 31, 2020 10:29PM✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨1 -
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✭✭Allow lantern to hang from the roughsack in backRefLiberty wrote: »Btw is the costume already off, I cannot see it in the web page shop (cannot log in to game atm)?
It's still available. 100gems in the legendary section for crates: Gloomspore.
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✭✭✭✭✭Allow lantern to hang from the roughsack in backi don't like it where it is, needs removed from the leg.
would even ask it to be removed if possible.2
