The worst thing in the game

Fawn4287

There is one skill, regardless of update, class, meta or game mode that is just the ultimate cheese, it will go down in MMO history as the most painful, rage inducing things around. There would be more 5 stars that have made it there thanks to one skill than everything else together and that is snipe. It is just the worst designed, easiest to use highest damage for no reason and one of the buggiest things over the course of the game yet never ever seems to get the nerf it deserves (which should be a deleting from the game files) and as ZOS is discussing “skill gaps” they fail to mention the skill that makes the floor so low it’s essentially underground.

This first clip is the most typical situation you find yourself in thanks to snipe

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050

And this clip is something that really illustrates how ridiculous the ability is, find anything else in the games history capable of CONTINUING TO KILL YOU AFTER DEATH

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/91647514

Snipe cloakblades keep your screeching about being balanced to a minimum please

Cirantille

Just roll dodge when you hear it

Fawn4287

Cirantille wrote: »

Just roll dodge when you hear it

Please watch the clips, there is literally no counter to it on console in cyrodil

martinhpb16_ESO

I'm a sniper and I'm incredibly easy to kill.

There are a number of counters to Snipe you just have to learn them.

We all die from stuff, no need to call for more nerfs , keep your screeching to a minimum please.

gatekeeper13

My pvp toon is a khajiit bow nightblade. Although he is strictly an archer, I fight mostly at relatively close range and in the "frontline". I am saying that so you know that I dont write as someone who hides and spams snipe all the time.

Note that bow builds are weaker than most melee or magicka builds. And we ve got only 2 decent, non-ultimate skills that have a chance of doing high dmg. Poison Injection and Snipe (I use Lethal Arrow morph). If we nerf these too, then ZOS should better just remove bow from the game at all. Because against high health regen, tanky opponents, it will be absolute trash.

After watching your video, I think its lag that killed you more than the snipe itself. Maybe the game didnt show the dmg on time and when it did, it was all spammed Snipe at once that looked like 1-shot. Happens to me all the time at sieges, where I am at 100% health and suddenly lag and get 1-shot with 3-4 different attacks and skills from magsorc, with health dropping from 100 to 0 at first hit.

I have 0 critical resistance on my bow build and still never die like that from snipe. Only when I am at an execute health % and not paying attention. When I get hit with Snipe, I instantly roll dodge or take cover to avoid any other incoming shots.

Knightpanther

There would be more 5 stars that have made it there thanks to one skill than everything else together and that is snipe

Utter rubbish mate, those with 5 stars have gained it through time played, nothing else.

I occasionally play Stamina (i swap between the magicka and stamina for fun), and yes i use snipe, why wouldn't you? when it hits it can do a lot of damage.
But i must emphasise the 'WHEN', 50% of my shots don't land due to dodge rolls or just folks with bloody huge shields.
Add to the fact you pretty much have to stop to use it making you a sitting duck.

Cant remember the last time i was killed by a bow shot, its pretty much always magicka skills or a huge axe.

Be safe

Tryxus

Is there anything you don't want nerfed?

Malmai

Lag and Performance is the worst...

Fawn4287

Tryxus wrote: »

Is there anything you don't want nerfed?

Things that benefit skilful solo and small group players

Fawn4287

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

My pvp toon is a khajiit bow nightblade. Although he is strictly an archer, I fight mostly at relatively close range and in the "frontline". I am saying that so you know that I dont write as someone who hides and spams snipe all the time.

Note that bow builds are weaker than most melee or magicka builds. And we ve got only 2 decent, non-ultimate skills that have a chance of doing high dmg. Poison Injection and Snipe (I use Lethal Arrow morph). If we nerf these too, then ZOS should better just remove bow from the game at all. Because against high health regen, tanky opponents, it will be absolute trash.

After watching your video, I think its lag that killed you more than the snipe itself. Maybe the game didnt show the dmg on time and when it did, it was all spammed Snipe at once that looked like 1-shot. Happens to me all the time at sieges, where I am at 100% health and suddenly lag and get 1-shot with 3-4 different attacks and skills from magsorc, with health dropping from 100 to 0 at first hit.

I have 0 critical resistance on my bow build and still never die like that from snipe. Only when I am at an execute health % and not paying attention. When I get hit with Snipe, I instantly roll dodge or take cover to avoid any other incoming shots.

The fact that your combo works from max range and you dodge roll, get major expedition and cloak off is better than any other mitigation

gatekeeper13

Fawn4287 wrote: »

]The fact that your combo works from max range and you dodge roll, get major expedition and cloak off is better than any other mitigation

I didnt mention cloak because its not sth that you can use as a necro. Just gave you an advice of how YOU can evade death from snipe.

FierceSam

Worst thing in the game?

Toxic chat wankers

Not really anything ZOS can address. Really down to all of us to be better people and not tolerate that kind of thing.

zvavi

Worst thing in game? Me.

Kram8ion

What rubbish there are many posts that give build ideas that people flock to so why not read posts for counters to builds and use them
Surely you can see that the problem isn’t with the skill itself but alas let’s bugger whatever kills you (a couple of times)by asking for nerfs
A bigger problem is that no one is dying thanks to meta and healing so with that if you’re dying to snipe it is clearly a learn to play issue

BXR_Lonestar

TBH, snipe is not the problem its the desyncing that occurs with the snipe ability. Without desyncing, you can argue that snipe is actually kind of underpowered, as it is slow, you give up stealth immediately after you shoot, and I find it difficult to match up with abilities to combo with at range.

IMO, they may be able to get rid of snipe desyncing if they simply put a long cooldown on the ability, but I think that would need to come with some buffs and some acceptance from the community as to how a sniper should play. I'd suggest:

1. Snipe has a long cooldown (10-15 seconds or more);
2. Ignores physical resistance (but not other forms of damage mitigation)
3. Allow the player to maintain stealth if not followed up with another type of attack (light attack, heavy, or ability).

The idea is to encourage sniper/bow gankers to build as pure glass cannons to maximize the impact of the ONE shot that you get to take with a snipe ability. With long cooldowns, it couldn't be spammed, so again, it doesn't become a massively overpowered ability. Maintaining stealth is an important part of sniper play, as there is really no other way to survive if your a glass cannon built to maximize one shot.

Basically, make snipe an effective one-pop-shot magic bullet style attack if your built a specific way, but make it so you can't simply run around spamming the damned thing.

Rory_FightingToFifty

Snipe can be powerful, but really the only reason why is because players are lazy.

If people wouldn’t cluster and Zerg, snipe opportunities would be rarer. If people didn’t just walk slowly through the breach like you do in the video, it’d be harder to track and snipe you. If anyone ever used sneak ever, sniping would be harder.

There are a number of skills that benefit from PvP players All playing the exact same all the time now, and snipe is one of them. When I first started playing in 2014, PvP was really different. Zergs would break apart into small groups and try different breach points...factions would assault multiple keeps at once. Now the whole PvP process is formulaic, so It’s really easy to know where enemies will show up and how to snipe them.

Beardimus

Fawn4287 wrote: »

There is one skill, regardless of update, class, meta or game mode that is just the ultimate cheese, it will go down in MMO history as the most painful, rage inducing things around. There would be more 5 stars that have made it there thanks to one skill than everything else together and that is snipe. It is just the worst designed, easiest to use highest damage for no reason and one of the buggiest things over the course of the game yet never ever seems to get the nerf it deserves (which should be a deleting from the game files) and as ZOS is discussing “skill gaps” they fail to mention the skill that makes the floor so low it’s essentially underground.

This first clip is the most typical situation you find yourself in thanks to snipe

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/86513050

And this clip is something that really illustrates how ridiculous the ability is, find anything else in the games history capable of CONTINUING TO KILL YOU AFTER DEATH

https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/i-senor-bot/video/91647514

Snipe cloakblades keep your screeching about being balanced to a minimum please

Sorry OP you are gunna get all the snipe defenders flood your thread now. They more OP than the skill

It's broke, ZOS acknowledged its bugged a year ago but nothings changed.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

i agree with op, u can get of 5 snipes before first hits, they all land in a sec (slow the vid down, because of game issue they all hit at once and do not show on vid hitting), i have done this my self, it means an instant kill, but zos said they wanted gankers etc in game and championed it, all that person will do is snipe from range in sneak and cloak so dont worry

Fawn4287

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

i agree with op, u can get of 5 snipes before first hits, they all land in a sec (slow the vid down, because of game issue they all hit at once and do not show on vid hitting), i have done this my self, it means an instant kill, but zos said they wanted gankers etc in game and championed it, all that person will do is snipe from range in sneak and cloak so dont worry

The fact that you can reliably use a skill and use its glitchyness a combo is just poor game design. It has a bugged travel time and registration of damage which people exploit, just like any other exploit or glitch in the game, except this one seems to never get fixed.

you literally snipe 3 times from stealth, cloak and poison inject, the poison inject from stealth then CCs you before the 3 snipes that haven’t registered properly hit you, but since the damage is queued up from before you were even CCd the dodge roll does nothing and you have been hit ~25-30K + poison inject without being able to do anything about it.

StormeReigns

Not all NBs are Snipers, and all Snipers are not NBs.

While I can sympathize with the OP to a point, I will refuse to give empathy though.
Being a deaf player; snipe, let alone desynced snipe, is the least of my worries and far from the worst things in this game to be upset about.

GenjiraX

The worst thing in the game is use of voice actors who don’t understand the meaning of the scripts they’re reading. Should make them read it again until they get it right or hire more intelligent voice actors. It really drags the quality of the game down, IMCO.

Vildebill

6 years after release and some people still haven't figured out a counter to snipe. Is it really the skill that's the problem?

doomette

Fawn4287 wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Just roll dodge when you hear it

Please watch the clips, there is literally no counter to it on console in cyrodil

I wonder what I’m doing when I successfully roll dodge a snipe when I hear the sound. On an old XBox One with meh internet? Is it magic? Am I accidentally cheating? Ripping a hole in the space-time continuum?

If you’re talking about desynch, fine, but that’s not going to be every snipe ever, unless you have fantastically bad luck. Saying there’s literally no counter on console is hyperbolic to the point of absurdity and doesn’t help your cause.



I don’t ask this to snark, or be mean, or elitist (heh, at the thought of me being a PVP elitist), or whatever, but maybe PVP in this game isn’t for you? Or you need to reassess your skill level and performance expectations? All you seem to post are nerf threads, so many nerf threads. Even on skills that aren’t exactly widely considered OP. I mean I enjoy PVP and I die a lot. Hoo boy do I die a lot. If I were to demand nerfs for every skill that killed me, well, I think we’d be neck and neck as far as nerf post counts. But I recognize when I’m outplayed, outgeared, outskilled, out-whatevered. And I’m fine with that. If I’m lucky I learn from the encounter and it makes me a better player. Even if I don’t, I’ll chuckle at being popped like a balloon and get back to it. Yeah dying from bugged out skills, like getting hit with five desynched snipes, isn’t awesome, but it is what it is and I don’t think the skill itself needs to be nerfed.

martinhpb16_ESO

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

i agree with op, u can get of 5 snipes before first hits, they all land in a sec (slow the vid down, because of game issue they all hit at once and do not show on vid hitting), i have done this my self, it means an instant kill, but zos said they wanted gankers etc in game and championed it, all that person will do is snipe from range in sneak and cloak so dont worry

Sorry but no you can't get off 5 snipes before the first hits that's jut wrong.

The issue is when the game de-syncs. I have had the same issue from being hit by siege weapons. One second i'm full health the next i'm dead. Look at recap and it was a siege weapon.

Nerf ballistas?

Danksta

Don't nerf it, just fix it.

Iskiab

The absolute worst thing in ESO is cc immunity not working, no contest.

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JohunBleek

Snipe definitely doesn't need a nerf, although I can say from experience that it is one buggy skill...it just needs to be fixed. I will get hit by multiple snipes and die without any visual or audio cues. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn't. Just gotta live with it until it's fixed, if ever.

purple-magicb16_ESO

That video clip is crazy. He gets hit 5x with the same skill from the same player in the blink of an eye I didn't even see his health go down. There really was no opportunity to defend or counter.

Gilvoth

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

That video clip is crazy. He gets hit 5x with the same skill from the same player in the blink of an eye I didn't even see his health go down. There really was no opportunity to defend or counter.

the same thing can be said about all the other skills in eso including light attacks.
it. is. from. lagg.
we go out of sync with the server and when it loads correctly your dead, does not matter what was attacking you.
you lagged out and died when it all loads correctly, from all skills and all damage sources.

purple-magicb16_ESO

Gilvoth wrote: »

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

That video clip is crazy. He gets hit 5x with the same skill from the same player in the blink of an eye I didn't even see his health go down. There really was no opportunity to defend or counter.

the same thing can be said about all the other skills in eso including light attacks.
it. is. from. lagg.
we go out of sync with the server and when it loads correctly your dead, does not matter what was attacking you.
you lagged out and died when it all loads correctly, from all skills and all damage sources.

True, but it still insane that it happens