Nerfs? LA HA Never happy

Lapin_Logic

ZOS: "We nerfed a trial to make it easier"
Players: "THIS CAN NOT STAND, it will be too easy"
ZOS: "We reworked LA weaving, this will result in much Lower DPS making content much more difficult for end game players"
Players: "NOOOOOOOO HOW CAN WE COMPLETE CONTENT WITHOUT ENOUGH DPS TO SKIP MECHANICS"

John_Falstaff

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

ZOS: "We nerfed a trial to make it easier"
Players: "THIS CAN NOT STAND, it will be too easy"
ZOS: "We reworked LA weaving, this will result in much Lower DPS making content much more difficult for end game players"
Players: "NOOOOOOOO HOW CAN WE COMPLETE CONTENT WITHOUT ENOUGH DPS TO SKIP MECHANICS"

...and that's why the game keeps getting dumbed down; because there's a ton of aggressive casuals who already heard something about trials having mechanics, but yet to hear that they also happen to have dps checks. Poor sods.

TheFM

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

ZOS: "We nerfed a trial to make it easier"
Players: "THIS CAN NOT STAND, it will be too easy"
ZOS: "We reworked LA weaving, this will result in much Lower DPS making content much more difficult for end game players"
Players: "NOOOOOOOO HOW CAN WE COMPLETE CONTENT WITHOUT ENOUGH DPS TO SKIP MECHANICS"

News flash, this game isnt just trials. And all they had to do was reduce the damage from the CP star with light attacks, and viola, no one wouldve said a thing. The proposed changes will make my light attacks in no cp, the most popular campaign in EU PC, go from 2700 to NINE HUNDRED. That is just ridiculous.

zvavi

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

ZOS: "We nerfed a trial to make it easier"
Players: "THIS CAN NOT STAND, it will be too easy"
ZOS: "We reworked LA weaving, this will result in much Lower DPS difference between players that do weave, and do not."
Players: "NOOOOOOOO Those changes don't even do that, the heck zos"

Fixed it... I mean, that's the vibe I am getting from people.

Lapin_Logic

John_Falstaff wrote: »

...and that's why the game keeps getting dumbed down; because there's a ton of aggressive casuals who already heard something about trials having mechanics, but yet to hear that they also happen to have dps checks. Poor sods.

T3hasiangod on Youtube did some parses with an unaltered build and rotation, he did 1 LA rotation, 1 HA rotation and 1 mixed.

LA rotation did 78k DPS
HA rotation did 65kDPS

There is not a DPS check that cannot be passed, it just can't be stomped all over.
Also you do Know this is a PTS, they ALWAYS start with the worse case scenario and then scale it back, they are looking for constructive Feedback not "World First!!", Fabrication sheath wearing "End game progression" elitists REEEEEEing all over the forum, they will still be "The Best" in the new meta anyway

TheFM

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

...and that's why the game keeps getting dumbed down; because there's a ton of aggressive casuals who already heard something about trials having mechanics, but yet to hear that they also happen to have dps checks. Poor sods.

T3hasiangod on Youtube did some parses with an unaltered build and rotation, he did 1 LA rotation, 1 HA rotation and 1 mixed.

LA rotation did 78k DPS
HA rotation did 65kDPS

There is not a DPS check that cannot be passed, it just can't be stomped all over.
Also you do Know this is a PTS, they ALWAYS start with the worse case scenario and then scale it back, they are looking for constructive Feedback not "World First!!", Fabrication sheath wearing "End game progression" elitists REEEEEEing all over the forum, they will still be "The Best" in the new meta anyway

And then scale back? they flat out lleft the insane buffs to dots for 3 months on live, and then they never recovered from the unbridled insane nerf they got afterthat.

The_Old_Goat

Yep, everybody is losing their minds over this possible change without even testing it.

Lapin_Logic

TheFM wrote: »

News flash, this game isnt just trials. And all they had to do was reduce the damage from the CP star with light attacks, and viola, no one wouldve said a thing. The proposed changes will make my light attacks in no cp, the most popular campaign in EU PC, go from 2700 to NINE HUNDRED. That is just ridiculous.

It does feel like Light attacks just tickle the enemy to death, fortunately enemy players also tickle you back.

They do need to meet in the middle on damage, this is only the first PTS and the first Cut is always the deepest

TheFM

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

News flash, this game isnt just trials. And all they had to do was reduce the damage from the CP star with light attacks, and viola, no one wouldve said a thing. The proposed changes will make my light attacks in no cp, the most popular campaign in EU PC, go from 2700 to NINE HUNDRED. That is just ridiculous.

It does feel like Light attacks just tickle the enemy to death, fortunately enemy players also tickle you back.

They do need to meet in the middle on damage, this is only the first PTS and the first Cut is always the deepest

See, if previous pts releases didnt point to the opposite, I would be optimistic, but previous pts shows use that they will just force this through with minimal changes. Honestly, this change proposal has had more of an outcry than the shield cast time change proposal, yet they are not even budging, they are determined to push it through, you can tell by the tone their posts have at this point.

Lapin_Logic

TheFM wrote: »

And then scale back? they flat out lleft the insane buffs to dots for 3 months on live, and then they never recovered from the unbridled insane nerf they got afterthat.

You Liked the Heavy DoT Meta in PVP? or the "Skilful" way you could throw a couple of DoTs on mobs and run away from it while it melts automatically behind you?

mairwen85

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

And then scale back? they flat out lleft the insane buffs to dots for 3 months on live, and then they never recovered from the unbridled insane nerf they got afterthat.

You Liked the Heavy DoT Meta in PVP? or the "Skilful" way you could throw a couple of DoTs on mobs and run away from it while it melts automatically behind you?

I think the tone of the post, and context implies the opposite. They were pointing at the notion of 'scaling back' changes (that you referred to) and evidencing the impact that has had historically.

While it's true ZOS do have a track record of softening each change after the first iteration on PTS, they also have a track record of pushing out changes that achieve the same anyway with total disregard for the feedback given.

John_Falstaff

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

There is not a DPS check that cannot be passed, it just can't be stomped all over.

If I knew I'd see such mixture of ignorance and aggression, would've stocked up on popcorn.

Just some food for thought, in hope that you went to school at some point. Testing was done on mDK, which hits ~92k on live, which means some 15% nerf. Recently, there were 3mil parses for Harrowstorm around, and, depending on class, people were parsing from 42k to 50k. Which means most will drop below 42k after nerfs, which in turn means most won't pass the hard 42k dps check in vSS HM portals (where you won't have raid buffs). But of course, you know nothing about it, you're just seething with sap and fury about pesky tryhards in fabrication sheaths.

So, congratulations. Thanks to folks like you, harder content now will be doable by fewer people, and it will be of no help to you that you can lazily spam heavies for moderately higher damage - it still won't put you into category that can clear the hardest spots. Instead, you'll have to practice even more to get there.

TheFM

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

TheFM wrote: »

And then scale back? they flat out lleft the insane buffs to dots for 3 months on live, and then they never recovered from the unbridled insane nerf they got afterthat.

You Liked the Heavy DoT Meta in PVP? or the "Skilful" way you could throw a couple of DoTs on mobs and run away from it while it melts automatically behind you?

I didnt like the insane buffs, but they reduced their damage to the point that they were weaker than pre buff, and that was dumb. No one was complaining about dots before the buffs, but definitely were complaining when they were nerfed into uselessness.

mairwen85

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

There is not a DPS check that cannot be passed, it just can't be stomped all over.

If I knew I'd see such mixture of ignorance and aggression, would've stocked up on popcorn.

You'll just have to make do with TP for now

Cadbury

mairwen85 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

There is not a DPS check that cannot be passed, it just can't be stomped all over.

If I knew I'd see such mixture of ignorance and aggression, would've stocked up on popcorn.

You'll just have to make do with TP for now

Will TP do more damage than LA or HA? I have extra.

TheFM

Cadbury wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Lapin_Logic wrote: »

There is not a DPS check that cannot be passed, it just can't be stomped all over.

If I knew I'd see such mixture of ignorance and aggression, would've stocked up on popcorn.

You'll just have to make do with TP for now

Will TP do more damage than LA or HA? I have extra.

Itll prob do more damage than LA after the massive nerf if they go through with it.

NoodleESO

This will hurt pvp more, tanky players just won’t run out of resources. Increasing the TTK and therefore increasing stress on the server with longer fights