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Theory why ZOS is nerfing LA/HA
AzurasDaddy
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ZOS has recently pushed the Breton meta. Now that they got all that juicy race change money they're making a radical change to how dps and sustain works so we have to go back to high elf 🤣
Oh and this is also a covert mega buff for all those zoo sorcs standing around heavy attacking.
Oh and this is also a covert mega buff for all those zoo sorcs standing around heavy attacking.
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Scarkii✭✭✭its also a buff for the DK skill which increases heavy attack damage cant wait to duct tape the heavy attack button and do nothing else"Even the slightest amount of courage can change the tides of War"
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daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AzurasDaddy wrote: »ZOS has recently pushed the Breton meta. Now that they got all that juicy race change money they're making a radical change to how dps and sustain works so we have to go back to high elf 🤣
Oh and this is also a covert mega buff for all those zoo sorcs standing around heavy attacking.
Or you can do like many, many people and ignore the racial meta. I never changed my Altmer magsorc race because of a few % better sustain. A good group that properly uses buffs, debuffs and synergies makes more of a difference than a single player's racial passives.5 -
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✭its also a buff for the DK skill which increases heavy attack damage cant wait to duct tape the heavy attack button and do nothing else
You missed the part where they changed the % of the heavy attack buff, to a static number instead? Without doubt a nerf of that ability. What was it? 50%? Now 3000. I've had a tolltip of +33000 for heavy attacks in UESP build editor on a DK, to believe that 3k damage is a "buff", is simply wrong.2 -
AzurasDaddy✭✭✭AzurasDaddy wrote: »ZOS has recently pushed the Breton meta. Now that they got all that juicy race change money they're making a radical change to how dps and sustain works so we have to go back to high elf 🤣
Oh and this is also a covert mega buff for all those zoo sorcs standing around heavy attacking.
Or you can do like many, many people and ignore the racial meta. I never changed my Altmer magsorc race because of a few % better sustain. A good group that properly uses buffs, debuffs and synergies makes more of a difference than a single player's racial passives.
Yea, we hang out in cyro with a nice calm slow moving group with 100% uptime on shards and no factors that severely hinder our resources, probably should've kept my DK a high elf a few patches ago when they pretty much doubled the cost of all my skills.0 -
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✭✭its also a buff for the DK skill which increases heavy attack damage cant wait to duct tape the heavy attack button and do nothing else
You missed the part where they changed the % of the heavy attack buff, to a static number instead? Without doubt a nerf of that ability. What was it? 50%? Now 3000. I've had a tolltip of +33000 for heavy attacks in UESP build editor on a DK, to believe that 3k damage is a "buff", is simply wrong.
Static numbers means better performance that is what I believe. I'd say so that is a buff not a nerf even if its a nerf its a buff for performance.PC NA
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Scarkii✭✭✭I honestly never knew why people went a certain race always been khajiit and never had a sustain issue in any content as any role"Even the slightest amount of courage can change the tides of War"
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✭✭✭AzurasDaddy wrote: »ZOS has recently pushed the Breton meta. Now that they got all that juicy race change money they're making a radical change to how dps and sustain works so we have to go back to high elf 🤣
Oh and this is also a covert mega buff for all those zoo sorcs standing around heavy attacking.
Or you can do like many, many people and ignore the racial meta. I never changed my Altmer magsorc race because of a few % better sustain. A good group that properly uses buffs, debuffs and synergies makes more of a difference than a single player's racial passives.
Yeah, but that is not how min-maxing works.
A min-maxer would both play the best race and be in a good group that properly uses buffs, debuffs and synergies.
So, which is better/more important, re. your example, isn't really the point to someone who is min-maxing, because they want it all.
Their motto is "every little helps", much like Tescos.
Edited by Tigerseye on March 24, 2020 10:14AM0 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AzurasDaddy wrote: »ZOS has recently pushed the Breton meta. Now that they got all that juicy race change money they're making a radical change to how dps and sustain works so we have to go back to high elf 🤣
Oh and this is also a covert mega buff for all those zoo sorcs standing around heavy attacking.
Or you can do like many, many people and ignore the racial meta. I never changed my Altmer magsorc race because of a few % better sustain. A good group that properly uses buffs, debuffs and synergies makes more of a difference than a single player's racial passives.
Yeah, but that is not how min-maxing works.
A min-maxer would both play the best race and be in a good group that properly uses buffs, debuffs and synergies.
So, which is better/more important, re. your example, isn't really the point to someone who is min-maxing, because they want it all.
Their motto is "every little helps", much like Tescos.
My point is that if you're chasing the meta and min/maxing to the limit, any change will be the end of the world. If you, as a min/maxer, want to make a build and stick with it, the game needs to freeze in time. So your choices are to adapt to the changes since you want to stay at meta; ignore some of the changes because you can live with not being the absolute optimal; or cry that ZOS stole your candy/meta build every time said meta changes.Edited by daemonios on March 24, 2020 10:28AM0 -
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✭Thevampirenight wrote: »its also a buff for the DK skill which increases heavy attack damage cant wait to duct tape the heavy attack button and do nothing else
You missed the part where they changed the % of the heavy attack buff, to a static number instead? Without doubt a nerf of that ability. What was it? 50%? Now 3000. I've had a tolltip of +33000 for heavy attacks in UESP build editor on a DK, to believe that 3k damage is a "buff", is simply wrong.
Static numbers means better performance that is what I believe. I'd say so that is a buff not a nerf even if its a nerf its a buff for performance.
That is probably true. But I think they have a will to "standardize" the game too, motivated by other urges. They reveal themselves as quite "anti elitist" in the statement for these proposed changes, that there's a "problem" with some people being faster and better att pressing buttons. They don't want anyone to stick out. Like in society at large, everyone should feel welcome of course, but I mean - the path of every person is not the same, some wish to climb higher, and not thread the same path as everyone else. It's sad to see they can't respect that, and allow for people to be innovative and progressive.0 -
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✭✭Thevampirenight wrote: »its also a buff for the DK skill which increases heavy attack damage cant wait to duct tape the heavy attack button and do nothing else
You missed the part where they changed the % of the heavy attack buff, to a static number instead? Without doubt a nerf of that ability. What was it? 50%? Now 3000. I've had a tolltip of +33000 for heavy attacks in UESP build editor on a DK, to believe that 3k damage is a "buff", is simply wrong.
Static numbers means better performance that is what I believe. I'd say so that is a buff not a nerf even if its a nerf its a buff for performance.
That is probably true. But I think they have a will to "standardize" the game too, motivated by other urges. They reveal themselves as quite "anti elitist" in the statement for these proposed changes, that there's a "problem" with some people being faster and better att pressing buttons. They don't want anyone to stick out. Like in society at large, everyone should feel welcome of course, but I mean - the path of every person is not the same, some wish to climb higher, and not thread the same path as everyone else. It's sad to see they can't respect that, and allow for people to be innovative and progressive.
Well given some of the behavior such players can bring, well its better then them being pro elitist. There will always be that type of player however there is a difference between climbing higher and then going on top and then keeping others from rising to your level. So a goal to get good is something new players might actually strive for. Well I'm likely one of those that stand out because I'm noob I you could say when it comes to the combat system and mechanics.
I'm so much better at roleplaying then Pvp and that is from years of learning and experiance throughout several differant mmos like Sto/Neverwinter/Champions online and Elder Scrolls Online. I was a very poor roleplayer when starting out and it took many months to get better and the experiances in the other mmos I had and friends as well and I wished I listened to others and tried to learn the mechanics of roleplay when starting out many many years ago basically in Eso and kinda burned some bridges and I understand the mistakes I made back then now however I might not be the roleplayer I am today without my experiences. so I wouldn't change that if going back and there is much I can learn and things I can do to be a better roleplayer even now. If I made the efforts I've made with Roleplay and applied them to pvp/pve content. I could get better with those however I might need a better lap top if ever trying to go for top score.
If I ever made the effort to go for Emp I would need to become less of a noob with pve/pvp builds and mechanics and learn these mechanics and builds and stuff. Stuff I'm not very good at and I do like to play my own way. So I might mix some of that into it if I ever make the actual effort as one doesn't need to be bis to be good.Edited by Thevampirenight on March 24, 2020 11:25AMPC NA
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Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭Yeah so, I have been a Breton since launch, this won't change a thing, I was a Breton when it wasn't cool, I'll stay a Breton when it's not cool again. As for your race change money theory, what of the huge number of stamina players that this means nothing to? Their money not good enough for them? Come on dude, this has nothing to do with nerfing Bretons.1 -
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✭✭I do doubt the theory that they are wanting to use these changes to sell race change tokens though some min/max must be bis master race crowd might buy them to race change.
Point is many won't change their race if that race has use to them while several will change because they have to be bis.
Breton Sustain and abilties would still be very useful even with the new changes. As I pointed out on a pts thread.
Every race is useful for something despite what people might think. Sustain races are still useful added to the new light attack that will give back resources. More resources means more high Apms and dps. More sustain+light attack returns plus+ sustain food and well I can see that being very good for long term sustained ability spam with good dps. Dps might not be the best of the best but still can do quite a lot with sustained dps and I'm a combat/mechanics noob. Just copying that reply here.
So yeah still can do quite a bit even with Bretons and their racial including sustain passives will still be useful. As with any other Sustain passives out there that have usefulness. So Bretons are far from dead and any other race that gives sustain.
Edited by Thevampirenight on March 24, 2020 11:53AMPC NA
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BigBadVolk✭✭✭✭✭AzurasDaddy wrote: »ZOS has recently pushed the Breton meta. Now that they got all that juicy race change money they're making a radical change to how dps and sustain works so we have to go back to high elf 🤣
Oh and this is also a covert mega buff for all those zoo sorcs standing around heavy attacking.
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