Nerien'eth monster set problems

PandaPalace

1): The dmg is little low. I have 64 points into Ele Expert/66 Master at Arms, the tooltip is 11465 while Selenes is 14128( buffed just from Master at Arms) it can get upto 17k with Mighty.

2): The 1 piece hp. I'm fine with this part if only the dmg wasn't so low vs Selenes. Selenes gets way more dmg with a stam bonus to further increase dmg/sustain.

3): The activation (maybe bugged?). The proc chance/delay/cooldown is fine. Problem is the "deal direct dmg". I've been testing skills on my magplar and so far the first ticks of Unstable Wall, Blazing Spear, Solar Barrage are not procing it, the final explosion from Unstable Wall also is not procing it. Idk if they changed it like how Scathing Mage is( needs clarification). Than I tried Purifying Light, neither the first or copied explosion will proc it.

This sets needs some love. It's my favorite set in all the game. The style is awesome, the visual effect is beautiful.

remilafo

agreed the proc chance is way too low.

macsmooth

Are you not comparing Nerien’eth a Aoe damage to Selenes a direct damage monster set

I agree the ability to proc Nerien’eth is questionable as on my nightblade I haven’t seen it proc once this patch before anything is dead on the floor but I only spent two minutes testing it out so maybe it does proc in longer lasting engagements

OG_Kaveman

1): The dmg is little low. I have 64 points into Ele Expert/66 Master at Arms, the tooltip is 11465 while Selenes is 14128( buffed just from Master at Arms) it can get upto 17k with Mighty.

selenes is melee range only, Nerien'eth cam proc at any range. that is reason enough for the higher damage on selenes.

Nerien’eth is aoe, you can hit more then one mob at a time, now you might say that would be hard to do, since the aoe is "only" 4 meters but Selenes is pure single target.

The 1 piece hp. I'm fine with this part if only the dmg wasn't so low vs Selenes. Selenes gets way more dmg with a stam bonus to further increase dmg/sustain.

again, selenes is melee only, the real stam equivalent would be stormfist, which can proc at range and does not have a max stat, like stam or weapon damage.

storrmfist is also aoe, just like Nerien’eth.

The activation (maybe bugged?). The proc chance/delay/cooldown is fine. Problem is the "deal direct dmg". I've been testing skills on my magplar and so far the first ticks of Unstable Wall, Blazing Spear, Solar Barrage are not procing it, the final explosion from Unstable Wall also is not procing it. Idk if they changed it like how Scathing Mage is( needs clarification). Than I tried Purifying Light, neither the first or copied explosion will proc it.

all the skills you said there are dots, not a single one of them is direct damage. if you want to use Nerien’eth, you pretty much have to use force pulse and an infused damage enchant. the set will not be good otherwise.

just a heads up too, damage enchants, like the flame enchant, inherit the damage type of the skilll that procced them, meaning that if you want that enchant to be direct damage, you have to use a light attack or proce pulse to proc it, not wall of elements from your backbar.


since you are a templar, why not try skoria, that synergies very well with templars. sweeps procs skoria, last i checked, in February, despite it being direct damage now, and all the other dots you use will proc skoria.

This sets needs some love. It's my favorite set in all the game. The style is awesome, the visual effect is beautiful.

i agree, the set is really cool looking and i tried to make it work on my magblade, for a long time but it is just not good and probably never be good, as long as there is a cool down AND a proc chance. you can only get so many direct damage hits in a second. we just have to wait for the set to get the outfit treatment for that sweet lich look.

Austinseph1

I used this for a while on a character for rp purposes but the damage is lacking and it just wasn't worth it. It is subpar in both aoe and single target circumstances, it's damage is unreliable, and basically it is outshined by at least 2x from the other monster sets (Zaan, Grothdaar, Valkyn, Stormfist, Illambris) It needs the same love that Ice furnace got because it's use cases aren't seemingly all that useful.

PandaPalace

The activation (maybe bugged?). The proc chance/delay/cooldown is fine. Problem is the "deal direct dmg". I've been testing skills on my magplar and so far the first ticks of Unstable Wall, Blazing Spear, Solar Barrage are not procing it, the final explosion from Unstable Wall also is not procing it. Idk if they changed it like how Scathing Mage is( needs clarification). Than I tried Purifying Light, neither the first or copied explosion will proc it.

all the skills you said there are dots, not a single one of them is direct damage.

Most if not all first tick of dots is direct dmg.
They changed the way scathing mage procs bc of that.
Scathing Mage:
This set no longer considers the first tick of each Damage over Time as Direct Damage.

Also the explosion from Unstable Wall, purifying light( both hits, first and copied explosion) and the blazing spear first hit is direct dmg, yet they are not procing it.

PandaPalace

Messed up quoting, idk how to work this properly lol

universal_wrath

PandaPalace wrote: »

1): The dmg is little low. I have 64 points into Ele Expert/66 Master at Arms, the tooltip is 11465 while Selenes is 14128( buffed just from Master at Arms) it can get upto 17k with Mighty.

2): The 1 piece hp. I'm fine with this part if only the dmg wasn't so low vs Selenes. Selenes gets way more dmg with a stam bonus to further increase dmg/sustain.

3): The activation (maybe bugged?). The proc chance/delay/cooldown is fine. Problem is the "deal direct dmg". I've been testing skills on my magplar and so far the first ticks of Unstable Wall, Blazing Spear, Solar Barrage are not procing it, the final explosion from Unstable Wall also is not procing it. Idk if they changed it like how Scathing Mage is( needs clarification). Than I tried Purifying Light, neither the first or copied explosion will proc it.

This sets needs some love. It's my favorite set in all the game. The style is awesome, the visual effect is beautiful.

I think it was mentioned in horrowstorm patch notes that dots will not proc "deal direct dmg" sets or anything related, especialy first ticks of dots unless if there was a direct dmg component to it like dk cinder storm (dmg morph). It was a fix because first ticks of dots were never considered direct dmg unless been told otherwise.

universal_wrath

macsmooth wrote: »

Are you not comparing Nerien’eth a Aoe damage to Selenes a direct damage monster set

I agree the ability to proc Nerien’eth is questionable as on my nightblade I haven’t seen it proc once this patch before anything is dead on the floor but I only spent two minutes testing it out so maybe it does proc in longer lasting engagements

Both Nerieth and selene are aoe dmg, though I think selene can be buffed with direct dmg cp.

macsmooth

universal_wrath wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

Are you not comparing Nerien’eth a Aoe damage to Selenes a direct damage monster set

I agree the ability to proc Nerien’eth is questionable as on my nightblade I haven’t seen it proc once this patch before anything is dead on the floor but I only spent two minutes testing it out so maybe it does proc in longer lasting engagements

Both Nerieth and selene are aoe dmg, though I think selene can be buffed with direct dmg cp.

Are you sure because that bear has only ever hit a single target

When you deal direct melee damage, you have a 15% chance to call on a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 12360 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

What it actually does is hits the closest enemy to you, so if there are two enemies in front of you and you are light attacking the one further away the bear will attack the one closest to you not the one you are light attacking, this may give you the illusion that it’s aoe but it’s not the bear only hits one enemy at a time, tested this on multiple dummies in my home myself

MashmalloMan

macsmooth wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

Are you not comparing Nerien’eth a Aoe damage to Selenes a direct damage monster set

I agree the ability to proc Nerien’eth is questionable as on my nightblade I haven’t seen it proc once this patch before anything is dead on the floor but I only spent two minutes testing it out so maybe it does proc in longer lasting engagements

Both Nerieth and selene are aoe dmg, though I think selene can be buffed with direct dmg cp.

Are you sure because that bear has only ever hit a single target

When you deal direct melee damage, you have a 15% chance to call on a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 12360 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

What it actually does is hits the closest enemy to you, so if there are two enemies in front of you and you are light attacking the one further away the bear will attack the one closest to you not the one you are light attacking, this may give you the illusion that it’s aoe but it’s not the bear only hits one enemy at a time, tested this on multiple dummies in my home myself

They said Selene is Direct dmg. There is only 2 options in that category, direct or dot. It is a direct single target dmg proc. You're both correct.

macsmooth

MashmalloMan wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

Are you not comparing Nerien’eth a Aoe damage to Selenes a direct damage monster set

I agree the ability to proc Nerien’eth is questionable as on my nightblade I haven’t seen it proc once this patch before anything is dead on the floor but I only spent two minutes testing it out so maybe it does proc in longer lasting engagements

Both Nerieth and selene are aoe dmg, though I think selene can be buffed with direct dmg cp.

Are you sure because that bear has only ever hit a single target

When you deal direct melee damage, you have a 15% chance to call on a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 12360 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

What it actually does is hits the closest enemy to you, so if there are two enemies in front of you and you are light attacking the one further away the bear will attack the one closest to you not the one you are light attacking, this may give you the illusion that it’s aoe but it’s not the bear only hits one enemy at a time, tested this on multiple dummies in my home myself

They said Selene is Direct dmg. There is only 2 options in that category, direct or dot. It is a direct single target dmg proc. You're both correct.

Think your missing the conversation, we’re not talking about what actually procs Selene we’re talking about the damage it does after it is proc’d

Or at least I am anyways

MashmalloMan

macsmooth wrote: »

MashmalloMan wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

Are you not comparing Nerien’eth a Aoe damage to Selenes a direct damage monster set

I agree the ability to proc Nerien’eth is questionable as on my nightblade I haven’t seen it proc once this patch before anything is dead on the floor but I only spent two minutes testing it out so maybe it does proc in longer lasting engagements

Both Nerieth and selene are aoe dmg, though I think selene can be buffed with direct dmg cp.

Are you sure because that bear has only ever hit a single target

When you deal direct melee damage, you have a 15% chance to call on a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 12360 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

What it actually does is hits the closest enemy to you, so if there are two enemies in front of you and you are light attacking the one further away the bear will attack the one closest to you not the one you are light attacking, this may give you the illusion that it’s aoe but it’s not the bear only hits one enemy at a time, tested this on multiple dummies in my home myself

They said Selene is Direct dmg. There is only 2 options in that category, direct or dot. It is a direct single target dmg proc. You're both correct.

Think your missing the conversation, we’re not talking about what actually procs Selene we’re talking about the damage it does after it is proc’d

Or at least I am anyways

Yes. DIRECT dmg cp should affect Selenes. Once again, there is only 2 options within that damage type category. Direct or DoT. The other category would be aoe or single target. All they said was Selene is affected by direct dmg cp. This is correct. You're both correct.

Hotdog_23

PandaPalace wrote: »

The activation (maybe bugged?). The proc chance/delay/cooldown is fine. Problem is the "deal direct dmg". I've been testing skills on my magplar and so far the first ticks of Unstable Wall, Blazing Spear, Solar Barrage are not procing it, the final explosion from Unstable Wall also is not procing it. Idk if they changed it like how Scathing Mage is( needs clarification). Than I tried Purifying Light, neither the first or copied explosion will proc it.

all the skills you said there are dots, not a single one of them is direct damage.

This one reason I really wish tooltips told what a skill is considered i.e. direct damage, DOT. Etc. While at it that should be colored like orange or red to stand out and not plain white. To help out console player who can't use add-ons to help this with.

Grianasteri

PandaPalace wrote: »

1): The dmg is little low. I have 64 points into Ele Expert/66 Master at Arms, the tooltip is 11465 while Selenes is 14128( buffed just from Master at Arms) it can get upto 17k with Mighty.

2): The 1 piece hp. I'm fine with this part if only the dmg wasn't so low vs Selenes. Selenes gets way more dmg with a stam bonus to further increase dmg/sustain.

3): The activation (maybe bugged?). The proc chance/delay/cooldown is fine. Problem is the "deal direct dmg". I've been testing skills on my magplar and so far the first ticks of Unstable Wall, Blazing Spear, Solar Barrage are not procing it, the final explosion from Unstable Wall also is not procing it. Idk if they changed it like how Scathing Mage is( needs clarification). Than I tried Purifying Light, neither the first or copied explosion will proc it.

This sets needs some love. It's my favorite set in all the game. The style is awesome, the visual effect is beautiful.

Love this set thematically for my Magcromancer dps and one of my Magblade vamps. Really works visually. But yeah, it is frustratingly lacking on damage and would be really nice to see it buffed up towards at least 15k ish.

universal_wrath

macsmooth wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

Are you not comparing Nerien’eth a Aoe damage to Selenes a direct damage monster set

I agree the ability to proc Nerien’eth is questionable as on my nightblade I haven’t seen it proc once this patch before anything is dead on the floor but I only spent two minutes testing it out so maybe it does proc in longer lasting engagements

Both Nerieth and selene are aoe dmg, though I think selene can be buffed with direct dmg cp.

Are you sure because that bear has only ever hit a single target

When you deal direct melee damage, you have a 15% chance to call on a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 12360 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

What it actually does is hits the closest enemy to you, so if there are two enemies in front of you and you are light attacking the one further away the bear will attack the one closest to you not the one you are light attacking, this may give you the illusion that it’s aoe but it’s not the bear only hits one enemy at a time, tested this on multiple dummies in my home myself

I'm not quite sure anymore, because selene is showing AoE visuals in pvp.

RaptorRodeoGod

This set is obnoxiously bad to use as a DPS. Theoretically, it could proc once every 3 seconds, and if it did in reality, it would be better than Zaan. However, when parsing, it procs once every 10 seconds on average, even if you're using Force Pulse with a Flame enchant.

I'd be fine with the 1 piece bonus if the set had different proccing conditions, or if its damage was doubled and cooldown tripled. Sets with big damage and long cooldowns don't lose as much DPS if you proc the set a few seconds after the cooldown.

Edit: The set probably be a lot better if it had similar damage and proccing conditions as Velidreth.

Chilly-McFreeze

universal_wrath wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

universal_wrath wrote: »

macsmooth wrote: »

Are you not comparing Nerien’eth a Aoe damage to Selenes a direct damage monster set

I agree the ability to proc Nerien’eth is questionable as on my nightblade I haven’t seen it proc once this patch before anything is dead on the floor but I only spent two minutes testing it out so maybe it does proc in longer lasting engagements

Both Nerieth and selene are aoe dmg, though I think selene can be buffed with direct dmg cp.

Are you sure because that bear has only ever hit a single target

When you deal direct melee damage, you have a 15% chance to call on a primal spirit that mauls the closest enemy in front of you after 1.3 seconds for 12360 Physical Damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds.

What it actually does is hits the closest enemy to you, so if there are two enemies in front of you and you are light attacking the one further away the bear will attack the one closest to you not the one you are light attacking, this may give you the illusion that it’s aoe but it’s not the bear only hits one enemy at a time, tested this on multiple dummies in my home myself

I'm not quite sure anymore, because selene is showing AoE visuals in pvp.

Isn't that visual just to indicate the area in which the closest opponent to you has to remain to get hit?

YandereGirlfriend

I've tried to use this on both a Force Pulse Sorcerer and a Sweeps Templar but echo the sentiments found here that the proc condition leads to subpar damage.

I'm also not buying that the AoE nature of this set warrants such a narrow proc condition as the AoE is absurdly small and stationary. This makes it useless in PvP and of minimal benefit in end-game PvE where single-target damage is always king.

Increase the proc chance to 25% so it can be more reliably proc'd on or near cooldown and this set is instantly vaulted into viability for PvE.

MellowMagic

I've always wanted this set to be good, I rarely play magic toons anymore but if this set got a buff I'd definitely try out my necro again, just goes so well thematically for a necro.