Battlegrounds solo - Thank You!

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Although I haven’t tested cyrodill and heard bad reviews, thank you for make battlegrounds solo que. I am thoroughly enjoying myself again and am reminded of early morrowind BG days when it was extremely competitive and fun.

From the start, BGs have always been and for the foreseeable future be, the most competitive platform that we have on ESO. The removal of groups from ques forces people to work together (to win), while also allowing good players the ability to support their team while also carrying the weight to get wins. I have noticed a ton more people utilizing mics for comms in random groups and the flow of the games overall just feels a LOT better.

I have always been an advocate for arena / BG play and I hope ZOS can build on this platform to incorporate some sort of private match making where we could form our own games for people who want to premade, but I will take what I can get and say thank you. From a solo player, this change has balanced out BGs a lot and put a lot more emphasis on personal character skill and optimization and I love it.

Edit : forgot the most important addition I’d like to see, DISPLAY MMR RANK! Please! We need to know when we are progressing and how we are doing to see actual improvement to our rank.

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

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Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

Guess I’m not a pvper as a day 1 player who only BGs

MurderMostFoul

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

The change is not ideal, but it has improved the quality of the matches, so i like it to some extent... and i am definitely a pvper.

brandonv516

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

The change is okay for now but definitely should not be the "end all, be all".

Queues haven't dramatically improved for me personally.

Solo queues have exposed just how easy it is for a Sorc to carry their teams though. The more Sorcs the better now because there is little coordination.

Doesn't help with the input delay, unresponsiveness of skills, and desyncs but that's a separate issue.

BaiterOfZergs

brandonv516 wrote: »

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

The change is okay for now but definitely should not be the "end all, be all".

Queues haven't dramatically improved for me personally.

Solo queues have exposed just how easy it is for a Sorc to carry their teams though. The more Sorcs the better now because there is little coordination.

Doesn't help with the input delay, unresponsiveness of skills, and desyncs but that's a separate issue.

Yeah sorcs are good for kills again, was in a 3v4v4 and still won. I was on the front line jabbing people while the sorcs secured the kills.

buzzclops

There is nothing competitive about solo queu and rng. Even with mmr getting back to where is was there is never 12 players of the same plateau of skill queuing at the same time. It is a rng mess and competitive pvp comes from building strategies with others. It doesn’t force ppl to play together, it does the opposite, support builds are left for dead by streaking sorcs and cloaking nbs.everyone want their own kills and do not give a **** about the rest. The games are still lopsided there is just no more excuses besides my teammates sucks. I really hope they revert this as it is very bad for the pvp community. Hardcore pvpers don’t like this change at all, but we are 1% of the money income so who cares right?

Commandment

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

The change is okay for now but definitely should not be the "end all, be all".

Queues haven't dramatically improved for me personally.

Solo queues have exposed just how easy it is for a Sorc to carry their teams though. The more Sorcs the better now because there is little coordination.

Doesn't help with the input delay, unresponsiveness of skills, and desyncs but that's a separate issue.

Yeah sorcs are good for kills again, was in a 3v4v4 and still won. I was on the front line jabbing people while the sorcs secured the kills.

When templars and sorc's team up, you can make dreams come true.

BaiterOfZergs

Commandment wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

The change is okay for now but definitely should not be the "end all, be all".

Queues haven't dramatically improved for me personally.

Solo queues have exposed just how easy it is for a Sorc to carry their teams though. The more Sorcs the better now because there is little coordination.

Doesn't help with the input delay, unresponsiveness of skills, and desyncs but that's a separate issue.

Yeah sorcs are good for kills again, was in a 3v4v4 and still won. I was on the front line jabbing people while the sorcs secured the kills.

When templars and sorc's team up, you can make dreams come true.

Depends cause it can be a real nuisance when you’re the only melee since you’re the one taking all the damage, especially on a stamplar.

wheem_ESO

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

buzzclops wrote: »

Hardcore pvpers don’t like this change at all, but we are 1% of the money income so who cares right?

Both incorrect.

I pretty much don't do anything in ESO besides BGs and some of the seasonal event stuff, and I think this change is an overall improvement over the previous system. It's not perfect, especially since the MMR reset seems to have given some people the wrong impression of a "new normal," but it's certainly better for everything except organizing 4v4v4 games.

Kidgangster101

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

buzzclops wrote: »

Hardcore pvpers don’t like this change at all, but we are 1% of the money income so who cares right?

Both incorrect.

I pretty much don't do anything in ESO besides BGs and some of the seasonal event stuff, and I think this change is an overall improvement over the previous system. It's not perfect, especially since the MMR reset seems to have given some people the wrong impression of a "new normal," but it's certainly better for everything except organizing 4v4v4 games.

So the game should cater to the "I WANT TO PLAY BY MYSELF AND HAVE EVERYTHING BE LUCK BASED" crowd?

The point to BG is to complete objectives...... Which most people refuse to do because "you don't pay my sub" or "I will play how I want" while they go 0-15 wandering off alone while I say hey let's stick together and I'm told "go f yourself I'm having fun"....... So now MY BG experience is frustrating because I have to deal with these Rambo players? It really really makes me want to hop into BG now to be the only person on my team trying to capture the flag or the relic! Yep best change in the world the "random" team that works together wins while the others lose.

People that coordinate still look like a premade? Jeez I wonder why...... Maybe they are not being Rambo and staying together and working like a premade...... Oh wait it's a glitch somehow teams of 4 are still able to que together

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MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

The change is not ideal, but it has improved the quality of the matches, so i like it to some extent... and i am definitely a pvper.

You were in that 20-4-22 tdm game I had the other night where my entire team was negative and we won. Tell this fool I pvp lmao.

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buzzclops wrote: »

There is nothing competitive about solo queu and rng. Even with mmr getting back to where is was there is never 12 players of the same plateau of skill queuing at the same time. It is a rng mess and competitive pvp comes from building strategies with others. It doesn’t force ppl to play together, it does the opposite, support builds are left for dead by streaking sorcs and cloaking nbs.everyone want their own kills and do not give a **** about the rest. The games are still lopsided there is just no more excuses besides my teammates sucks. I really hope they revert this as it is very bad for the pvp community. Hardcore pvpers don’t like this change at all, but we are 1% of the money income so who cares right?

Hardcore pvpers are backpacking their teams and loving not facing sweaty ass premades lol. If you’re a hardcore pvper this is like Christmas dude.

Hotdog_23

I like the change. The games I have done so far seems to a lot more competitive and not just one team completing rolling over the other 2 teams.

Firstmep

Imagine using the words ESO and Competitive in the same sentence XD

Langeston

Rizz_the_Filthy_Dino wrote: »

In essence, new players and PvErs like the change. PvPers don't.

I hate to break this to you man, but you don't speak for all PVPers. I almost exclusively play BGs and I love the change. Most of the people I know feel the same way — including the ones I used to group-queue with.

Saubon

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Depends cause it can be a real nuisance when you’re the only melee since you’re the one taking all the damage, especially on a stamplar.

This:)

Even on stam DK I switched into tankier build

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Firstmep wrote: »

Imagine using the words ESO and Competitive in the same sentence XD

I mean everyone’s on a level field in regards to CP and it’s structured team sizes with solo ques. Seems as competitive of a platform as we have, no?

Qbiken

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Imagine using the words ESO and Competitive in the same sentence XD

I mean everyone’s on a level field in regards to CP and it’s structured team sizes with solo ques. Seems as competitive of a platform as we have, no?

* Outcome of a game being decided by RNG in regard of what teammates you get.

* You're still not guaranteed to get a full team.

* Leaderboard score that doesn't reflect player skill but only accumulative score (aka the more you play the higher on the leaderboards you get, regardless of how skillfull and objective focused you play)

* Leaderboard rewards in top 100 are completely random. The person ending up as #1 doesn't get better rewards than the player in spot #100

* A ranking system that doesn't display your actual ranking (aka a hidden MMR system)

Ye sounds super competitive to me.........

Kidgangster101

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

Imagine using the words ESO and Competitive in the same sentence XD

I mean everyone’s on a level field in regards to CP and it’s structured team sizes with solo ques. Seems as competitive of a platform as we have, no?

Yes this is so competitive...... 4 healers on 1 team healing and not getting any kills sound like such a fun time to me......

It was more competitive with group play because it took ya know thinking to do so lol. You had to coordinate..... Oh yeah but solo players can't do that right? SOLO DOES NOT MEAN COMPETITIVE lol.

Is football solo? How about basketball? It hockey? Or soccer? Yep those are COMPETITIVE TEAM BASED GAMES. BG is supposed to be A TEAM BASED MODE! ESO is now the golf of the world is what your saying?

Langeston

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

So the game should cater to the "I WANT TO PLAY BY MYSELF AND HAVE EVERYTHING BE LUCK BASED" crowd?

The point to BG is to complete objectives...... Which most people refuse to do because "you don't pay my sub" or "I will play how I want" while they go 0-15 wandering off alone while I say hey let's stick together and I'm told "go f yourself I'm having fun"....... So now MY BG experience is frustrating because I have to deal with these Rambo players? It really really makes me want to hop into BG now to be the only person on my team trying to capture the flag or the relic! Yep best change in the world the "random" team that works together wins while the others lose.

People that coordinate still look like a premade? Jeez I wonder why...... Maybe they are not being Rambo and staying together and working like a premade...... Oh wait it's a glitch somehow teams of 4 are still able to que together

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Yes this is so competitive...... 4 healers on 1 team healing and not getting any kills sound like such a fun time to me......

It was more competitive with group play because it took ya know thinking to do so lol. You had to coordinate..... Oh yeah but solo players can't do that right? SOLO DOES NOT MEAN COMPETITIVE lol.

Is football solo? How about basketball? It hockey? Or soccer? Yep those are COMPETITIVE TEAM BASED GAMES. BG is supposed to be A TEAM BASED MODE! ESO is now the golf of the world is what your saying?

Good grief, man. Are you really this obtuse or are you just being willfully ignorant? Ignoring people's [valid] opinions simply because they don't line up with your own does not strengthen your argument, it just erodes your credibility. There are compelling reasons to have both solo and group queues — pretending that that is not the case doesn't make it any less true.

To use your sports analogy (but to actually make it analogous,) the way BGs work now is a lot like a YMCA open gym pick-up game — it's still a team sport, but the teams are determined in an impromptu fashion. What you want to do is to bring your practiced & fully-formed team in, even though you know that the chances are good that you'll wind up curb-stomping the other, less organized teams. If you can't see how that would be decidedly noncompetitive, (and why the other teams might not want to play against yours) there's something wrong with your thinking.

Is the current solution perfect? No. But no one's arguing that it is. What it is though, is more fair for everyone involved — and whether or not you want to admit it, more balanced. If you have no desire to see and/or understand other people's perspectives, there's really no point in you even continuing to be a part of this conversation.

Kidgangster101

Langeston wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

So the game should cater to the "I WANT TO PLAY BY MYSELF AND HAVE EVERYTHING BE LUCK BASED" crowd?

The point to BG is to complete objectives...... Which most people refuse to do because "you don't pay my sub" or "I will play how I want" while they go 0-15 wandering off alone while I say hey let's stick together and I'm told "go f yourself I'm having fun"....... So now MY BG experience is frustrating because I have to deal with these Rambo players? It really really makes me want to hop into BG now to be the only person on my team trying to capture the flag or the relic! Yep best change in the world the "random" team that works together wins while the others lose.

People that coordinate still look like a premade? Jeez I wonder why...... Maybe they are not being Rambo and staying together and working like a premade...... Oh wait it's a glitch somehow teams of 4 are still able to que together

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Yes this is so competitive...... 4 healers on 1 team healing and not getting any kills sound like such a fun time to me......

It was more competitive with group play because it took ya know thinking to do so lol. You had to coordinate..... Oh yeah but solo players can't do that right? SOLO DOES NOT MEAN COMPETITIVE lol.

Is football solo? How about basketball? It hockey? Or soccer? Yep those are COMPETITIVE TEAM BASED GAMES. BG is supposed to be A TEAM BASED MODE! ESO is now the golf of the world is what your saying?

Good grief, man. Are you really this obtuse or are you just being willfully ignorant? Ignoring people's [valid] opinions simply because they don't line up with your own does not strengthen your argument, it just erodes your credibility. There are compelling reasons to have both solo and group queues — pretending that that is not the case doesn't make it any less true.

To use your sports analogy (but to actually make it analogous,) the way BGs work now is a lot like a YMCA open gym pick-up game — it's still a team sport, but the teams are determined in an impromptu fashion. What you want to do is to bring your practiced & fully-formed team in, even though you know that the chances are good that you'll wind up curb-stomping the other, less organized teams. If you can't see how that would be decidedly noncompetitive, (and why the other teams might not want to play against yours) there's something wrong with your thinking.

Is the current solution perfect? No. But no one's arguing that it is. What it is though, is more fair for everyone involved — and whether or not you want to admit it, more balanced. If you have no desire to see and/or understand other people's perspectives, there's really no point in you even continuing to be a part of this conversation.

Bro I'm not saying there shouldn't be 2 ques.

I have said there should be ranked team que unranked solo que numerous times. It just baffles my mind that people thing SOLO que should be ranked in a TEAM BASED MODE. In ranked mode it shouldn't be how long you play it should only matter a win rate to go up and a loss rate that sends you down in rankings.

Going off what you said about the pickup game. Does that count in a rank system? No how could it? Because every game the teams can change. So the team that lands the guys that are bad lose everytime? That makes zero sense at all.

Again I always say it, this mode severely punished people who like the aspect of group objectives in a small scale environment. Now it is 100% rng like maybe I'll get teammates that want to play together, or maybe I'll get 3 people that won't say hi won't stick together and feed the enemy kills by going in alone. So I'm punished for wanting to play the mode the way it was designed? Even now there is multiple threads about sorcs running wild about how it still feels like there is premades but the thing is pre mades don't exist so are they really the problem? Or is it that whoever gets stuck with people that only want to solo lose and ruins everyone else's experience?

precambria

There is NOTHING competitive about the PVP in this game, BG IS NOT SOLO PVP, all the stuff about "personal skill" ect is just drivel, maybe it's fun for potato farmers on console but for high MMR players on PC who have done enough matches to see it's basically just RNG the teamplay dynamic is ruined the ONLY way that teams were ever balanced outside of wining a 1 in 100000 lottery was when there was a duo which there is no more of, there was a way of offsetting the FAIL grouping tool of this game, it was called group Q and now it's gone.

PS:I soloed queued before.

xWarbrain

precambria wrote: »

There is NOTHING competitive about the PVP in this game, BG IS NOT SOLO PVP, all the stuff about "personal skill" ect is just drivel, maybe it's fun for potato farmers on console but for high MMR players on PC who have done enough matches to see it's basically just RNG the teamplay dynamic is ruined the ONLY way that teams were ever balanced outside of wining a 1 in 100000 lottery was when there was a duo which there is no more of, there was a way of offsetting the FAIL grouping tool of this game, it was called group Q and now it's gone.

PS:I soloed queued before.

So it wasn't RNG when you're premade was matched up against 8 solo players? Because that was happening too. In a BG match with 12 individual people, the players that played the best DURING THAT MATCH get the highest scores. That's what I find competitive. Not the end of the week leaderboards. Those are who played the most games.

Every game is a competition. If my teammates suck that game and we lose, it's still my fault if I don't have the most damage and healing and assists while having the least deaths. Might not be an elite high MMR almighty PC player, but I find competition against other players who are trying to do the same thing. Score the most points.

How is that less competitive than 4 premades fighting each other? The RNG makes it more competitive if anything. No one is holding your hand.

precambria

I never once have run in a pug stomping premade, the only time we ever did them was to play against other premades that we knew were queuing because we were in communication, nobody is even asking for that back again but there NEEDS to be duo queue in the game.

There is NO way you are going to do well on the leaderboards if you are not putting out HIGH average scores plus playing a lot, so the idea that it is just playtime is totally false.... I should know......

It's supposed to be teams not just how much score can I farm and not help anyone so I can think I am good, all the true top tier players are ones who understand group dynamics and co-ordination/strategy. There are levels to it and being good at solo potato farm is pretty close to the bottom. You should ask for a FREE FOR ALL mode if that's what you are interested in, because this game is designed around class interaction, there is literally a thing called SYNERGY in the game....

The reality is that this change is not going well for ESO even if there are a few people who like it, countless people have quit the game and the majority of the best players for BG are included in that. It sucks because people like me who wanted to get better by watching the next level players now are just watching randomness and games who's outcome is fairly meaningless. Also the social element has been crushed, even just being able to chat and PLAY is gone... GG

Lole

precambria wrote: »

I never once have run in a pug stomping premade, the only time we ever did them was to play against other premades that we knew were queuing because we were in communication, nobody is even asking for that back again but there NEEDS to be duo queue in the game.

There is NO way you are going to do well on the leaderboards if you are not putting out HIGH average scores plus playing a lot, so the idea that it is just playtime is totally false.... I should know......

It's supposed to be teams not just how much score can I farm and not help anyone so I can think I am good, all the true top tier players are ones who understand group dynamics and co-ordination/strategy. There are levels to it and being good at solo potato farm is pretty close to the bottom. You should ask for a FREE FOR ALL mode if that's what you are interested in, because this game is designed around class interaction, there is literally a thing called SYNERGY in the game....

The reality is that this change is not going well for ESO even if there are a few people who like it, countless people have quit the game and the majority of the best players for BG are included in that. It sucks because people like me who wanted to get better by watching the next level players now are just watching randomness and games who's outcome is fairly meaningless. Also the social element has been crushed, even just being able to chat and PLAY is gone... GG

I highly doubt many people did really quit cuz of something like that, pretty sure zos is Monitoring the results and reactions Of people.

Kidgangster101

xWarbrain wrote: »

precambria wrote: »

There is NOTHING competitive about the PVP in this game, BG IS NOT SOLO PVP, all the stuff about "personal skill" ect is just drivel, maybe it's fun for potato farmers on console but for high MMR players on PC who have done enough matches to see it's basically just RNG the teamplay dynamic is ruined the ONLY way that teams were ever balanced outside of wining a 1 in 100000 lottery was when there was a duo which there is no more of, there was a way of offsetting the FAIL grouping tool of this game, it was called group Q and now it's gone.

PS:I soloed queued before.

So it wasn't RNG when you're premade was matched up against 8 solo players? Because that was happening too. In a BG match with 12 individual people, the players that played the best DURING THAT MATCH get the highest scores. That's what I find competitive. Not the end of the week leaderboards. Those are who played the most games.

Every game is a competition. If my teammates suck that game and we lose, it's still my fault if I don't have the most damage and healing and assists while having the least deaths. Might not be an elite high MMR almighty PC player, but I find competition against other players who are trying to do the same thing. Score the most points.

How is that less competitive than 4 premades fighting each other? The RNG makes it more competitive if anything. No one is holding your hand.

Bro at the end of the day YOU CHOSE TO QUE INTO A TEAM BASED MODE SOLO. So you can say solo this solo that, IF YOU DONT LIKE FACING A PREMADE MAKE YOUR OWN GROUP. Idk man this RMG us not competitive.

Why not have a 1v1v1? Or a 12 man free for all? THAT IS SOLO!

Lole

Queuing solo doesn’t make it a less team based mode... it’s still 4 players vs 4 Players vs Players

You not knowing them doesn’t mean it’s not a team...

Not even trying to say we don’t need a grp queue cuz we obviously need one...But groupqueue should only be full premade teams against each other and nothing else.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

xWarbrain wrote: »

precambria wrote: »

There is NOTHING competitive about the PVP in this game, BG IS NOT SOLO PVP, all the stuff about "personal skill" ect is just drivel, maybe it's fun for potato farmers on console but for high MMR players on PC who have done enough matches to see it's basically just RNG the teamplay dynamic is ruined the ONLY way that teams were ever balanced outside of wining a 1 in 100000 lottery was when there was a duo which there is no more of, there was a way of offsetting the FAIL grouping tool of this game, it was called group Q and now it's gone.

PS:I soloed queued before.

So it wasn't RNG when you're premade was matched up against 8 solo players? Because that was happening too. In a BG match with 12 individual people, the players that played the best DURING THAT MATCH get the highest scores. That's what I find competitive. Not the end of the week leaderboards. Those are who played the most games.

Every game is a competition. If my teammates suck that game and we lose, it's still my fault if I don't have the most damage and healing and assists while having the least deaths. Might not be an elite high MMR almighty PC player, but I find competition against other players who are trying to do the same thing. Score the most points.

How is that less competitive than 4 premades fighting each other? The RNG makes it more competitive if anything. No one is holding your hand.

Bro at the end of the day YOU CHOSE TO QUE INTO A TEAM BASED MODE SOLO. So you can say solo this solo that, IF YOU DONT LIKE FACING A PREMADE MAKE YOUR OWN GROUP. Idk man this RMG us not competitive.

Why not have a 1v1v1? Or a 12 man free for all? THAT IS SOLO!

Forcing people into groups to try to solve the pubstomping is completely dumb lol... the mmorpg argument doesn’t count btw, just saying before you bring crap like that up lmao... it’s still mmorpg Content Even when you play with randoms

Kidgangster101

Lole wrote: »

Queuing solo doesn’t make it a less team based mode... it’s still 4 players vs 4 Players vs Players

You not knowing them doesn’t mean it’s not a team...

Not even trying to say we don’t need a grp queue cuz we obviously need one...But groupqueue should only be full premade teams against each other and nothing else.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

xWarbrain wrote: »

precambria wrote: »

There is NOTHING competitive about the PVP in this game, BG IS NOT SOLO PVP, all the stuff about "personal skill" ect is just drivel, maybe it's fun for potato farmers on console but for high MMR players on PC who have done enough matches to see it's basically just RNG the teamplay dynamic is ruined the ONLY way that teams were ever balanced outside of wining a 1 in 100000 lottery was when there was a duo which there is no more of, there was a way of offsetting the FAIL grouping tool of this game, it was called group Q and now it's gone.

PS:I soloed queued before.

So it wasn't RNG when you're premade was matched up against 8 solo players? Because that was happening too. In a BG match with 12 individual people, the players that played the best DURING THAT MATCH get the highest scores. That's what I find competitive. Not the end of the week leaderboards. Those are who played the most games.

Every game is a competition. If my teammates suck that game and we lose, it's still my fault if I don't have the most damage and healing and assists while having the least deaths. Might not be an elite high MMR almighty PC player, but I find competition against other players who are trying to do the same thing. Score the most points.

How is that less competitive than 4 premades fighting each other? The RNG makes it more competitive if anything. No one is holding your hand.

Bro at the end of the day YOU CHOSE TO QUE INTO A TEAM BASED MODE SOLO. So you can say solo this solo that, IF YOU DONT LIKE FACING A PREMADE MAKE YOUR OWN GROUP. Idk man this RMG us not competitive.

Why not have a 1v1v1? Or a 12 man free for all? THAT IS SOLO!

Forcing people into groups to try to solve the pubstomping is completely dumb lol... the mmorpg argument doesn’t count btw, just saying before you bring crap like that up lmao... it’s still mmorpg Content Even when you play with randoms

So forcing people to play solo is different how? Just saying it is only GROUP play if your team acts like a GROUP. But instead we have people trying to be Rambo rather than playing as a TEAM.

So punish the people playing the game mode it was supposed to be played sounds logical to me.

Lole

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

Queuing solo doesn’t make it a less team based mode... it’s still 4 players vs 4 Players vs Players

You not knowing them doesn’t mean it’s not a team...

Not even trying to say we don’t need a grp queue cuz we obviously need one...But groupqueue should only be full premade teams against each other and nothing else.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

xWarbrain wrote: »

precambria wrote: »

There is NOTHING competitive about the PVP in this game, BG IS NOT SOLO PVP, all the stuff about "personal skill" ect is just drivel, maybe it's fun for potato farmers on console but for high MMR players on PC who have done enough matches to see it's basically just RNG the teamplay dynamic is ruined the ONLY way that teams were ever balanced outside of wining a 1 in 100000 lottery was when there was a duo which there is no more of, there was a way of offsetting the FAIL grouping tool of this game, it was called group Q and now it's gone.

PS:I soloed queued before.

So it wasn't RNG when you're premade was matched up against 8 solo players? Because that was happening too. In a BG match with 12 individual people, the players that played the best DURING THAT MATCH get the highest scores. That's what I find competitive. Not the end of the week leaderboards. Those are who played the most games.

Every game is a competition. If my teammates suck that game and we lose, it's still my fault if I don't have the most damage and healing and assists while having the least deaths. Might not be an elite high MMR almighty PC player, but I find competition against other players who are trying to do the same thing. Score the most points.

How is that less competitive than 4 premades fighting each other? The RNG makes it more competitive if anything. No one is holding your hand.

Bro at the end of the day YOU CHOSE TO QUE INTO A TEAM BASED MODE SOLO. So you can say solo this solo that, IF YOU DONT LIKE FACING A PREMADE MAKE YOUR OWN GROUP. Idk man this RMG us not competitive.

Why not have a 1v1v1? Or a 12 man free for all? THAT IS SOLO!

Forcing people into groups to try to solve the pubstomping is completely dumb lol... the mmorpg argument doesn’t count btw, just saying before you bring crap like that up lmao... it’s still mmorpg Content Even when you play with randoms

So forcing people to play solo is different how? Just saying it is only GROUP play if your team acts like a GROUP. But instead we have people trying to be Rambo rather than playing as a TEAM.

So punish the people playing the game mode it was supposed to be played sounds logical to me.

Yes forcing them to play solo is just the easier way...the effort to setup a grp is just bigger...

And zos has the effect they wanted, pubstomping stopped, the majority profits and the minority lost.

Grpqueues will come in the future, meanwhile I will play alone and accept it how it is... It can help when you see it from the other side of the coin and not just your side and what you want 😉

Kidgangster101

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Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Lole wrote: »

Queuing solo doesn’t make it a less team based mode... it’s still 4 players vs 4 Players vs Players

You not knowing them doesn’t mean it’s not a team...

Not even trying to say we don’t need a grp queue cuz we obviously need one...But groupqueue should only be full premade teams against each other and nothing else.

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xWarbrain wrote: »

precambria wrote: »

There is NOTHING competitive about the PVP in this game, BG IS NOT SOLO PVP, all the stuff about "personal skill" ect is just drivel, maybe it's fun for potato farmers on console but for high MMR players on PC who have done enough matches to see it's basically just RNG the teamplay dynamic is ruined the ONLY way that teams were ever balanced outside of wining a 1 in 100000 lottery was when there was a duo which there is no more of, there was a way of offsetting the FAIL grouping tool of this game, it was called group Q and now it's gone.

PS:I soloed queued before.

So it wasn't RNG when you're premade was matched up against 8 solo players? Because that was happening too. In a BG match with 12 individual people, the players that played the best DURING THAT MATCH get the highest scores. That's what I find competitive. Not the end of the week leaderboards. Those are who played the most games.

Every game is a competition. If my teammates suck that game and we lose, it's still my fault if I don't have the most damage and healing and assists while having the least deaths. Might not be an elite high MMR almighty PC player, but I find competition against other players who are trying to do the same thing. Score the most points.

How is that less competitive than 4 premades fighting each other? The RNG makes it more competitive if anything. No one is holding your hand.

Bro at the end of the day YOU CHOSE TO QUE INTO A TEAM BASED MODE SOLO. So you can say solo this solo that, IF YOU DONT LIKE FACING A PREMADE MAKE YOUR OWN GROUP. Idk man this RMG us not competitive.

Why not have a 1v1v1? Or a 12 man free for all? THAT IS SOLO!

Forcing people into groups to try to solve the pubstomping is completely dumb lol... the mmorpg argument doesn’t count btw, just saying before you bring crap like that up lmao... it’s still mmorpg Content Even when you play with randoms

So forcing people to play solo is different how? Just saying it is only GROUP play if your team acts like a GROUP. But instead we have people trying to be Rambo rather than playing as a TEAM.

So punish the people playing the game mode it was supposed to be played sounds logical to me.

Yes forcing them to play solo is just the easier way...the effort to setup a grp is just bigger...

And zos has the effect they wanted, pubstomping stopped, the majority profits and the minority lost.

Grpqueues will come in the future, meanwhile I will play alone and accept it how it is... It can help when you see it from the other side of the coin and not just your side and what you want 😉

I have seen many people complaining now about groups still "looking like it's a premade" so how fun is it when 1 team goes 500 now because they work together and the other 2 teams have less than 100? How is that ANY DIFFERENT than what happened before?

Again tell me 3 other games that have a solo que pvp game mode like this? To take away GROUP PLAY just because you think it's healthier is probably the most stupid argument you can make.

That is like someone saying "my dps is 14k and I keep getting kicked from vet trial groups. Rather than me getting better content should become easier for me so let's make trials solo que only"

Or even look at random dungeon finder now, how often do you actually get a tank or a healer? All those people come on the forums and complain about not completing content due to this....... But guess what? YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO FORM A GROUP SO YOU DONT HAVE THAT HAPPEN.

What is my option in BG again besides rng a team?

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