wow. Are you seriously forcing people to start in expansions of Zeni's choice for the tutorial?

nhisso

That is awful. I decided to make a new character today and do the tutorial just because i havent done the tutorial in many years. You forced me in to elswyr?
Just let us choose where to start damn it.

Hurbster

This has been a thing since Morrowind. We did have a glorious short time in Morrowind early access that allowed us to choose.

Ryath_Waylander

I just skip the tutorial, walk to the nearest boat/caravan, port to my alliance starting town and take a blow to the head from the hooded stranger. One way ticket to Coldharbour. But yes, this convoluted method gets irritating after the 12th alt.

Dusk_Coven

Play it now before you lose the chance to ever do it again when it's replaced by Greymoor.
Dunno why they can't just make them into just another quest you can pick up in the game world.
You just have to do one tutorial once on one character, really.

LadyDestiny

Yeah I thought this was really strange and a dumb idea. I had been away for awhile but came back recently to get caught up and play through elsweyr. Decided to make a necro after I got two characters caught up and was like what? No choice, no direction to go to the harborage or anything. This is implemented in a terrible way. New players have no clue what they are missing out on by not started in the vanilla zones. But the worse part of it is Zos doesn't show players what to do.

Bradyfjord

I seriously dislike not being able to do the Soulshriven in Coldharbour first. I wish we could choose them. I feel it is disjointed to do the original tutorial after I've leveled a bit.

That said, I also like making a new character to play the newest tutorial to get a sense of the expansions' stories. I wish we could do the new tutorials on our existing characters if we desired.

GenjiraX

I dislike this, too. I liked my Morrowind tutorial on my first character but I didn’t create my second until after buying Elsweyr so I don’t even know what the Summerset tutorial is like.

ShawnLaRock

I am saving what potentially might be my last character slot purposefully to experience the new tutorial when Greymoor is released.

Otherwise - this has been brought up countless times with every new Chapter release - but maybe they could implement a system of, “once you have competed the new tutorial on a character, you can choose how you start the game, afterwards?” Kind of like unlocking certain content that becomes available on other characters, after doing it once.

That way - they get their marketing goals met; and we get choice to play the game we are inherently supporting by wanting to make a new character, and experiencing not-to-be-missed existing content.

I absolutely loved running through the original tutorial with characters on my alt account without any DLC - after not having seen it in years. The nostalgia! The acting! The threat of the Plane-Meld! Lol.

If those stories / questlines still exist in game - we should be able to access & experience them somehow, still. IMHO.

S.

essi2

Zeni just hasn't bothered to make a system to let you choose.

Ideally the start of each major story should be a starting point(This would remove Summerset as an option, since Summerset is the end of a story not the beginning).

FierceSam

I don’t think it’s so much an issue of the tutorial, the one from Elsweyr does a far better job of actually introducing players to the game mechanics than any of the previous tutorials, but an issue of where players start the game proper.

Ideally players should have some kind of choice about where to start.

And ZOS should develop more tutorials that players could return to whenever they wish.

doomette

There is one huge advantage to new tutorials in new zones. All those containers 😍
Maybe I’ve got good tutorial luck, or whatever, but I’d usually pick up at least one new zone furnishing plan each time I’d run.

redgreensunset

Ryath_Waylander wrote: »

I just skip the tutorial, walk to the nearest boat/caravan, port to my alliance starting town and take a blow to the head from the hooded stranger. One way ticket to Coldharbour. But yes, this convoluted method gets irritating after the 12th alt.

You don't even have to do that. Elsweyr tutorial dumps you out right next to a wayshrine, just port to your alliance's starter city, the wayshrine there is already unlocked.

RefLiberty

Ryath_Waylander wrote: »

I just skip the tutorial, walk to the nearest boat/caravan, port to my alliance starting town and take a blow to the head from the hooded stranger. One way ticket to Coldharbour. But yes, this convoluted method gets irritating after the 12th alt.

That is not a solution for new players, they don't know where the skills are not to mention to port to your alliance starting town. I'm rather new player and spend like half an hour googling where is what and who is who. If you are new player you are following the game lead and story that is presented to you.

So yeah, the best solution would be, when you are creating your char, the last step before you hit the create button, that game asks you would you like to play from beginning or start with latest content.

That would be the best way to do it in my opinion.
As a fairly new player, I would appreciate that feature a lot when I created my first character.

I guess that ZOS really WANTS you to go to latest content, not so they don't know how to implement that, but for some reason it is their policy for some reason. I dunno, maybe to put you in zones where highest population is. But still, the choice would be great option to have.

Mannix1958

FierceSam wrote: »

I don’t think it’s so much an issue of the tutorial, the one from Elsweyr does a far better job of actually introducing players to the game mechanics than any of the previous tutorials, but an issue of where players start the game proper.

Ideally players should have some kind of choice about where to start.

And ZOS should develop more tutorials that players could return to whenever they wish.

What if at the end of the Elsweyr the next step was followed immediately by the hooded figure?

amapola76

GenjiraX wrote: »

I dislike this, too. I liked my Morrowind tutorial on my first character but I didn’t create my second until after buying Elsweyr so I don’t even know what the Summerset tutorial is like.

If it makes you feel any better, I've done them all so far, and the Summerset tutorial is by far my least favorite, so maybe you didn't miss much.

dazee

The summerset tutorial is you having to escape from an evil BRAIN PRISON!!!

But yeah it is so so stupid that we can't choose a tutorial on character creation. I'm pretty sure this is a greed based decision becuase people in the Zenimax corporate cabal of supreme evil want to force people into then new shiny things before all else.

ZonasArch

Ryath_Waylander wrote: »

I just skip the tutorial, walk to the nearest boat/caravan, port to my alliance starting town and take a blow to the head from the hooded stranger. One way ticket to Coldharbour. But yes, this convoluted method gets irritating after the 12th alt.

But you cannot do that to play Morrowind or summerset intro... So only a third of a solution was given to us. Still very meh.

worrallj

Ryath_Waylander wrote: »

I just skip the tutorial, walk to the nearest boat/caravan, port to my alliance starting town and take a blow to the head from the hooded stranger. One way ticket to Coldharbour. But yes, this convoluted method gets irritating after the 12th alt.

💯% this. And it's also annoying that standing anywhere in your starting town you are bombarded by NPCs trying to make you go to dlc zones.

tomofhyrule

Funny story - this actually was one of the main things preventing me from getting Elsweyr.

I got ESO late, so I've only seen the Morrowind one. I started my main, who I'd much rather have done the Coldharbour tutorial with, but I just popped him down to DW right away to get the quest. Now one of my other character plans is a Khajiit former slave, so the Morrowind tutorial would fit great...

...if I didn't really want Skyrim.

Ugh. So now I don't get him to do it anyway.

I don't understand why they don't just add one pop-up right when you click the 'create character' button. Something like this, with the proper fonts and everything...:


And for extra selling points, they could even put a "Buy now!" button next to the chapters you're missing...since that's a corporate-friendly way to do things.

I get that they want to show off the new zone, but it'd be nice not to permanently lose the other tutorial quests - they did pay the VAs after all.

Oh, and before anyone complains - let's give one free skill point to anyone who starts in the Planemeld story, since the other tutorial quests give a free skill point at the end.

Lysette

One of the problems is that if someone just don't get the importance of meeting up with the hooded figure, he won't know what is going on with those anchors everywhere. There is as well no one telling a newbie to join the mages and fighter guilds and even less of what is going on is understood this way. A little more guidance in the beginning would be helpful.

Drammanoth

Damn, I also wish I could have the choice - I mean, I HAVE the chapter, right? Meeting: Naryu for Dunmer / Argonians, Oriandra for Summerset makes as much sense as meeting Zamarak and Majha'dro for Khajiit / necromancers or any other char that wants to get involved in the specific storyline.

scorpius2k1

nhisso wrote: »

That is awful. I decided to make a new character today and do the tutorial just because i havent done the tutorial in many years. You forced me in to elswyr?
Just let us choose where to start damn it.

Agreed 100% -- Here's my thoughts and experience on this since I've started ESO, because it still irritates me to this day.

Because of this odd system they chose have in place to toss you in the latest chapter, when I started playing I thought Vvardenfell was the main quest being the starting zone. Understandably this is to make new players feel like they were caught up with everyone else. However, It's a hugely flawed idea and pretty frustrating to be forced into just the new content.

I spent almost a month in Vvardenfell questing thinking that I was working on the main quest. Nope....."OH the quest that is in my journal is the main quest?!". When you first start ESO, the game is DAUNTINGLY confusing on what should I do, that's what makes it unique but it's also a downside the way it's implemented until you understand the "there is no wrong way to play" gist. This also COMPLETELY foobarred starting the game fresh and understanding the storyline from the getgo. I felt like I was backtracking, especially since I like to do things a bit more orderly. Missing that main quest and storyline from the start really wasn't what I expected. Should be much clearer starting out and I have spoke to quite a few new players that had NO IDEA the main quest wasn't the starting zone in the latest chapter. They were baffled until I explained it to them. Why doesn't the game do this in the first place?

Yeah, you can say moot point and just go anywhere you want when you start a new toon....however, with that logic, shouldn't we be able to start the tutorial anywhere too? New players aren't going to see it through our eyes until they play for a bit. At least for new players make it so they can start out in their respective faction zone, and start the "Hooded Figure" quest from the start or simple choose the current/existing chapter to start and also bring back the ORIGINAL tutorial when ESO came out to match the starting faction zone/hooded figure choice. This way you have an optional tutorial regardless of your choice. This also fixes another issue---players would actually KNOW what their faction zone is. I see that question in zone chat many times.

Make it SIMPLE ZOS, two choices with a new character

• Start AT YOUR FACTION ZONE, MAIN QUESTLINE (Recommended)
• Begin at the LATEST OR EXISTING CHAPTER QUEST (Choose Which Chapter Zone To Start In)

What is so hard about that and staving likely thousands of new players confusion and understanding ESO's storyline properly from the getgo? Kind of important imho.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Drammanoth

I would really like to know what's the ZOS's -stance- on this idea.

I mean we all know they are working tirelessly to treat us with Western Skyrim (which we APPRECIATE), yet I'd also like to have some 'hope' to know that we'll be able to begin where we, P(L)AYERS, decide.

Is is about the number of chapters? 4 created - 1 basic, so there is much to choose from.

Is it about time? Tell us that we have something to wait for - we will.

Again, it's easy to to *** about them, sure, so let's just hope they will not be branded another Blizzard.

Ozium

just got Elswey package for it and Summerset, vote choose which one as don't see way to do SS intro /sad

UltraMex

Done few Elswyr's story quest to meet a very important NPC from vanila storyline, even more hilarious is that they wanted me to ponder whether that NPC is sending us to a trap or not! Great job.

lagrue

As frustrating as it is for some, the idea behind is simple. New people buying the game for the first time, say after seeing promotional Greymoor material, are given immediate access to that content, and given a narrative line to drop them in.

It isn't done just to displease old timers. It's done to make the entry of new players as exciting and fluid as possible. Imagine the game still had the old tutorial but that new player just wanted to go to the Greymoor content they paid for and that enticed them to buy the game? They'd be forced to start one story thread and be left in the position of then being forced to choose between Greymoor and finishing the main story at that point. It's not good for the new player experience.

Basically this model allows new players to hop right into the newest content with no barriers and no need to worry about the other content of the game just yet.

ZonasArch

OH NO, a company decided to do to something that's beneficial to their business! How shocking and absurd!

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I mean... I understand the concerns, I would LOVE to have options, and think it would be cool if the devs gave warnings as to what's happening to new players so they could choose.

That said, I bet they know what's best, and if they keep doing it and keep getting bigger and bigger, I'm happy. A healthy ZOS means servers are alive and I get to keep playing.

Aliyavana

Your better off sticking with the chapter tutorial since you get access to a skill point that characters created before owning a chapter miss out on.

ZonasArch

Aliyavana wrote: »

Your better off sticking with the chapter tutorial since you get access to a skill point that characters created before owning a chapter miss out on.

What?!

idk

This has been a thing for a few years now. You can still go do the original starting area if you choose.

Sneaky-Snurr

doomette wrote: »

There is one huge advantage to new tutorials in new zones. All those containers 😍
Maybe I’ve got good tutorial luck, or whatever, but I’d usually pick up at least one new zone furnishing plan each time I’d run.

Wait till they nerf this.