Idea for PvP faction lock: free switch but only once every 24 hours.

CaffeinatedMayhem

With Ravenwatch (NoCP) being unlocked, yet again we see players abaondon the campaign, guilds either not running or not running open groups, less zone talk, and almost no pugs. Trolls sit in one faction then switch to counter specific attacks, even before keeps flag. The PvP core community prefer faction lock, but more casual players want to play with their friends of any faction. How to solve this?

Time gating.

You aren't locked to a faction for campaign duration, but cannot switch more than once every 24 hours.

Pros:
Trolls can't switch multiple times per day, especially if they're harassing a single player or guild.
You can still play on any alliance, just have to pick one for *one* day/evening.
Hopefully guilds will feel more comfortable running open groups, as their movements are less likely to be reported to enemies.

Cons:
Will this stop trolling completely? No.

I'm sure this has been discussed already, but given that ZOS seems to want unlocked PvP, lets look at a compromise.

Tasty

Faction lock is dumb. It should be removed.

Siohwenoeht

I was in favor of something similar when they talked about bringing the locks back.

I think the only answer now is to have an equal number of locked an unlocked campaigns. That's the only way to put the issue to rest. Those that really dislike locks would have a choice which no-cp players currently do not.

What I'd really prefer are to have significant account level rewards for campaign loyalty instead of locks, but locks are what zos has decided to go with.

dcam86b14_ESO

24hours is still too easy

Make a token that is 5500 crowns or like 5 million gold.

The timer should be like 1 week cool down.

CaffeinatedMayhem

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

24hours is still too easy

Make a token that is 5500 crowns or like 5 million gold.

The timer should be like 1 week cool down.

LOL You realize that even under faction lock you could switch once every 24 hours for 150k AP? I make twice that in a good evening.

CaffeinatedMayhem

Tasty wrote: »

Faction lock is dumb. It should be removed.

Found a troll.

AlnilamE

OP, that's a reasonable idea.

Tasty wrote: »

Faction lock is dumb. It should be removed.

You have unlocked campaigns. Go enjoy them!

CaffeinatedMayhem

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I was in favor of something similar when they talked about bringing the locks back.

I think the only answer now is to have an equal number of locked an unlocked campaigns. That's the only way to put the issue to rest. Those that really dislike locks would have a choice which no-cp players currently do not.

What I'd really prefer are to have significant account level rewards for campaign loyalty instead of locks, but locks are what zos has decided to go with.

In an ideal world an even number of locked unlocked would solve it, however there are several issues in ESO.

1. NoCP PvP is much more difficult than CP. If you don't believe the saying "carried by your CP" just walk your CP build into NoCP one evening. NoCP is always much less populated, and if we were to split between lock and unlocked, there wouldn't be enough players online for anything to happen.

2. Unlocked CP was always less populated than locked. I don't mind there being an unlocked campaign, but having one playstyle (CP or NoCP) only available as locked or unlocked is the issue.

3. ZOS is also trying to roll Under 50 into NoCP. There's a lot of confusion among new players as to why they're still killed so quickly if no one has CP. Answer: your armor isn't CP160. That matters a LOT in NoCP.

Siohwenoeht

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I was in favor of something similar when they talked about bringing the locks back.

I think the only answer now is to have an equal number of locked an unlocked campaigns. That's the only way to put the issue to rest. Those that really dislike locks would have a choice which no-cp players currently do not.

What I'd really prefer are to have significant account level rewards for campaign loyalty instead of locks, but locks are what zos has decided to go with.

In an ideal world an even number of locked unlocked would solve it, you run into 2 issues in ESO.

1. NoCP PvP is much more difficult than CP. If you don't believe the saying "carried by your CP" just walk your CP build into NoCP one evening. NoCP is always much less populated, and if we were to split between lock and unlocked, there wouldn't be enough players online for anything to happen.

2. Unlocked CP was always less populated than locked. I don't mind there being an unlocked campaign, but having one playstyle (CP or NoCP) only available as locked or unlocked is the issue.

3. ZOS is also trying to roll Under 50 into NoCP. There's a lot of confusion among new players as to why they're still killed so quickly if no one has CP. Answer: your armor isn't CP160. That matters a LOT in NoCP.

I haven't noticed that big of a difference from CP to no CP. In fact I take the same toon to both without changing anything. The only difference I have to adjust for is Regen in no cp. I do believe CP isn't as big a crutch as people make it out to be. You can build a strong character at low CP but it needs to be deep theory crafting and not some copied internet build.

No matter the population, there needs to be a choice if locks stay in place, full stop. Zos needs to fix performance for those that have issues to bring the population back up.

I was not aware that they were wanting to merge under 50 into regular no CP. To me that is an incredibly wrong headed idea and I hope it doesn't happen. Under 50 already has trouble with twinking re-rollers, putting it all together would just give new players another reason not to PVP at all.

idk

Tasty wrote: »

Faction lock is dumb. It should be removed.

I agree with this. Zos' reason for bringing back faction locks was players asked for it. If Zos felt there were true exploitations with a no lock campaign they would have all campaigns locked.

Rikumaru

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

I was in favor of something similar when they talked about bringing the locks back.

I think the only answer now is to have an equal number of locked an unlocked campaigns. That's the only way to put the issue to rest. Those that really dislike locks would have a choice which no-cp players currently do not.

What I'd really prefer are to have significant account level rewards for campaign loyalty instead of locks, but locks are what zos has decided to go with.

In an ideal world an even number of locked unlocked would solve it, however there are several issues in ESO.

1. NoCP PvP is much more difficult than CP. If you don't believe the saying "carried by your CP" just walk your CP build into NoCP one evening. NoCP is always much less populated, and if we were to split between lock and unlocked, there wouldn't be enough players online for anything to happen.

2. Unlocked CP was always less populated than locked. I don't mind there being an unlocked campaign, but having one playstyle (CP or NoCP) only available as locked or unlocked is the issue.

3. ZOS is also trying to roll Under 50 into NoCP. There's a lot of confusion among new players as to why they're still killed so quickly if no one has CP. Answer: your armor isn't CP160. That matters a LOT in NoCP.

Unlocked CP is only less populated because of the fact it's listed last. No-CP currently in EU is super full constantly and it's a locked campaign.

With your suggestion though, I wouldn't mind much about being able to play 1 faction a day, as long as I'm able to reasonably play with friends from all factions and all my characters.

Though I question how that's going to work exactly, would it be that you would have to stop playing for 24 hours? If so that could be problematic. If it's just a daily warning as you enter a campaign past a set time per day which would lock your character when you join that alliance, that sounds perfectly fine.

Gilvoth

no thank you.
faction lock servers and unlocked servers are doing whats needed.
game fine as it is.

JAwtunes

Tasty wrote: »

Faction lock is dumb. It should be removed.

What he said.

TheFM

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

With Ravenwatch (NoCP) being unlocked, yet again we see players abaondon the campaign, guilds either not running or not running open groups, less zone talk, and almost no pugs. Trolls sit in one faction then switch to counter specific attacks, even before keeps flag. The PvP core community prefer faction lock, but more casual players want to play with their friends of any faction. How to solve this?

Time gating.

You aren't locked to a faction for campaign duration, but cannot switch more than once every 24 hours.

Pros:
Trolls can't switch multiple times per day, especially if they're harassing a single player or guild.
You can still play on any alliance, just have to pick one for *one* day/evening.
Hopefully guilds will feel more comfortable running open groups, as their movements are less likely to be reported to enemies.

Cons:
Will this stop trolling completely? No.

I'm sure this has been discussed already, but given that ZOS seems to want unlocked PvP, lets look at a compromise.

Agree 💯, it's a compromise that benefits both sides

Beardimus

Disagree.
Offer a choice, after 6 months remove the least popular.

I.e. if they did that now unlocked CP would be gone.

Katahdin

Suggestion has been brought up before.

I also disagree with a 24 hour ability to switch. It would undermine the purpose of the faction lock in the first place. Even if it was 7 or 14 days, people would just switch to the winning faction for the "better" rewards.

You should be able to switch for free at the end of the campaign only not during it at all, period.

Pick a side and stick with it for the entire campaign.

ShawnLaRock

Is there an achievement for being Emp in all 3 factions at the same time? If so... I’m in.

S.

Royaji

Katahdin wrote: »

Suggestion has been brought up before.

I also disagree with a 24 hour ability to switch. It would undermine the purpose of the faction lock in the first place. Even if it was 7 or 14 days, people would just switch to the winning faction for the "better" rewards.

You should be able to switch for free at the end of the campaign only not during it at all, period.

Pick a side and stick with it for the entire campaign.

You do understand its essentially the same with 30-day lock too? After the first campaign you can switch to the faction that won last time and be on the winning alliance for a long time.

The only thing that will end your streak is resident insomniac group switching to nightcap for another alliance. And in this case you just switch one campaign later to follow them once again.

Mr_Walker

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Tasty wrote: »

Faction lock is dumb. It should be removed.

Found a troll.

Everyone who disagrees with me is a troll....

Katahdin

Royaji wrote: »

Katahdin wrote: »

Suggestion has been brought up before.

I also disagree with a 24 hour ability to switch. It would undermine the purpose of the faction lock in the first place. Even if it was 7 or 14 days, people would just switch to the winning faction for the "better" rewards.

You should be able to switch for free at the end of the campaign only not during it at all, period.

Pick a side and stick with it for the entire campaign.

You do understand its essentially the same with 30-day lock too? After the first campaign you can switch to the faction that won last time and be on the winning alliance for a long time.

The only thing that will end your streak is resident insomniac group switching to nightcap for another alliance. And in this case you just switch one campaign later to follow them once again.

Yes I realize that. Its already happened on PCNA.

However, I have no problem with people switching at the END of a campaign and start a new one in another faction.

Switching in the middle of the campaign is like playing for the Yankees then in the middle of the 6th inning switching to the Red Socks. Play the whole game on your chosen team. Start a new game you can choose a new team.

Faction locks didnt change who won most of the time. Before faction locks the same faction won most of the time anyway because people bandwagoned there even without the locks. The hoppers just made the scores seem more even but it was just "fake news".

Qbiken

Who even cares about the scores anyway? The rewards are garbage (can unironically farm more purple jewellery to deconstruct by doing PvE) and the outcome of the campaign is decided who can PvDoor during the off hours.......

And how sensitive and fragile do you have to be to get triggered by some random clown trolling in zone chat (not talking about harassment because that's something completely different than trolling)?

I hate faction locks because it severely limits how I can play (nocp preference), and since the score board is a joke and Cyrodil never being anything close to competitive PvP, I couldn't care less about faction pride.

However, IF zos made changes that actually properly rewarded faction loyalty (and not some garbage box with purple jewellery), stopped rewarding PvDoor and capping the map during off hours (aka stop rewarding people for taking empty keeps and reward them for actually PvP-ing) I might be able to get behind the faction lock idea.

thatESOdude

Meanwhile, halfway thru primetime Locked CP campaign is not even full while noCP unlocked is pop locked throughout...

So yeah im sure "people leaving the campaign here and there" XD

Van_Winkle

Is this a joke? You guys already have unlocked campaign. Many of you says, that unlocked campaigns is much more popular than locked ones, but yet you say that people do not play in them. Please, stop telling to entire community how it must play this game.

Mayrael

thatESOdude wrote: »

Meanwhile, halfway thru primetime Locked CP campaign is not even full while noCP unlocked is pop locked throughout...

So yeah im sure "people leaving the campaign here and there" XD

And noCP was also most populated when it was locked. Hmm maybe its the noCP part most important because there is no other option? Hmmm...? Lies won't help you.

thatESOdude

Mayrael wrote: »

thatESOdude wrote: »

Meanwhile, halfway thru primetime Locked CP campaign is not even full while noCP unlocked is pop locked throughout...

So yeah im sure "people leaving the campaign here and there" XD

And noCP was also most populated when it was locked. Hmm maybe its the noCP part most important because there is no other option? Hmmm...? Lies won't help you.

LOL suuuuure. I dont know if you are in NA, but PC EU the CP one was always the one to get the first 2-3 bars and pop lock first and also the last one to die down into single bars...

So unless you are in other servers/platforms, i think you are making things up

Mayrael

thatESOdude wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

thatESOdude wrote: »

Meanwhile, halfway thru primetime Locked CP campaign is not even full while noCP unlocked is pop locked throughout...

So yeah im sure "people leaving the campaign here and there" XD

And noCP was also most populated when it was locked. Hmm maybe its the noCP part most important because there is no other option? Hmmm...? Lies won't help you.

LOL suuuuure. I dont know if you are in NA, but PC EU the CP one was always the one to get the first 2-3 bars and pop lock first and also the last one to die down into single bars...

So unless you are in other servers/platforms, i think you are making things up

That's what I said, I think you have no idea what we are talking about. PC EU noCP was most populated both WITH faction lock and WITHOUT faction lock, thus it's not the faction lock who determines its popularity.

mague

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

In an ideal world an even number of locked unlocked would solve it, however there are several issues in ESO.

In an ideal world certain players would not have one account each faction. There would be no payed carries to skin or emp. Everyone would be a regular player paying his sub. There would be no emp with 15 million AP while those who work the faction stuff maybe get 3 million.

All would be game and fairness and not a bad copy of a goblin tribe.

Miswar

You have option to play unlocked campaigns. Thus no need for this or normal troll whining.

If there is not enough people at unlocked campaigns than maybe its indication that your opinion is minority.

As for the campaign lcoked campaigns. Those should remain as it is. Make pvp much more less toxic.