PVP quickly becomes garbage....

Commancho

First you add bunch of sets which allow you to collect stacks of wpn/spell power when taking damage, then you give nord 4k ressitances + ultimate regeneration + bunch of other stuff, then you nerf dots to the ground, then you don't touch hots, then we have to face every second player being super tanky nord and we have a stupid 10vs1 battles (in NO CP!) where one guys is just running around with some immortal build and giggling at bunch of 1000CP+ players trying to take him down without effort. Do you think its fun in a flag based PVP? Do you even play your *** game?

Commancho

Ohhhh did I forgot to mention nerf to most of CC/snares?

oxygen_thief

nerf sorcs!

MartiniDaniels

There is nothing which major vulnerability+major defile+onslaught couldn't fix. 2 nord stamcros are enough to kill another nord stamcro, what are those 10 people you are talking about?

starlizard70ub17_ESO

oxygen_thief wrote: »

nerf sorcs!

Don't you really mean nerf Nightblades.

Kadoin

Blame forum users that said I knew nothing about stamcro for that demonstration. Don't worry, the best is yet to come...You haven't seen enough of ZOS "balance" yet Pretty certain there is a way to handle entire zergballs and tank them on stamcro and its gon be found very soon

Kadoin

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

There is nothing which major vulnerability+major defile+onslaught couldn't fix. 2 nord stamcros are enough to kill another nord stamcro, what are those 10 people you are talking about?

lol that is what you think

Stebarnz

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

There is nothing which major vulnerability+major defile+onslaught couldn't fix. 2 nord stamcros are enough to kill another nord stamcro of equal skill, what are those 10 people you are talking about?

Fixed it for you buddy.

Crixus8000

Then the 10 players need to get better. I see no issue with a good player beating multiple players of lesser skill. That's how it should be imo.

You should not win a fight just because you bring a bigger group.

relentless_turnip

I could not care less about the tank meta at the moment...
At this point ESO is just an MMO simulator.
It feels like I am pretending to play an MMO I'm pressing skills and nothing is happening!

I would be happy to have even slightly responsive combat... I will happily spend 15 minutes trying to kill a tank that can't kill me over this ***!!!

#rollbackharrowstorm

oxygen_thief

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

oxygen_thief wrote: »

nerf sorcs!

Don't you really mean nerf Nightblades.

no im talking about sorcs. everyone knows that if somebody is tanking 5 players and then burst them to death then its a sorc not a dk or warden or necro

Commancho

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Then the 10 players need to get better. I see no issue with a good player beating multiple players of lesser skill. That's how it should be imo.

You should not win a fight just because you bring a bigger group.

Nonsense, nobody wins a fight because its a draw.

Crixus8000

Commancho wrote: »

Nonsense, nobody wins a fight because its a draw.

Not in my experience. It just takes having decent damage and good timing. Unless your fighting a stamcro maybe

Lybal

Commancho wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Then the 10 players need to get better. I see no issue with a good player beating multiple players of lesser skill. That's how it should be imo.

You should not win a fight just because you bring a bigger group.

Nonsense, nobody wins a fight because its a draw.

Honestly, if you can't take 1 guy down as 10 people in no-cp, I'd mostly blame that on the group of 10, even best players on tanky setup can't tank 10 average / above average players indefinitely in no-cp, he can probably hold them for a moment (which any good player on any spe is able to do anyway) before to die.

Commancho

Lybal wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Then the 10 players need to get better. I see no issue with a good player beating multiple players of lesser skill. That's how it should be imo.

You should not win a fight just because you bring a bigger group.

Nonsense, nobody wins a fight because its a draw.

Honestly, if you can't take 1 guy down as 10 people in no-cp, I'd mostly blame that on the group of 10, even best players on tanky setup can't tank 10 average / above average players indefinitely in no-cp, he can probably hold them for a moment (which any good player on any spe is able to do anyway) before to die.

Yes you can if you kite them.... There are plenty of cancer builds in this game.

Rikumaru

If you can't beat 1 player with 10 after all the nerfs ZOS has done over the years to solo play, the fault is completely on you. Just because you bring more numbers doesn't mean you should automatically win and for that solo player to just roll over and die.

Thedragonlolitucker

unless theyre specialised full tank u should easily be able to kill anyone with 10 people

Commancho

Rikumaru wrote: »

If you can't beat 1 player with 10 after all the nerfs ZOS has done over the years to solo play, the fault is completely on you. Just because you bring more numbers doesn't mean you should automatically win and for that solo player to just roll over and die.

Dude, there were plenty of hard to kill builds 1,5 year ago and now after nerfs to dots and stuns it's just getting ridiculus. There are plenty of YT videos, you live in lalala land man.



It was before nerf to dots and stunts lmao

BackStabeth

If you are really serious about PvP, you wouldn't be doing it in ESO, it's a joke.

oxygen_thief

Commancho wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

If you can't beat 1 player with 10 after all the nerfs ZOS has done over the years to solo play, the fault is completely on you. Just because you bring more numbers doesn't mean you should automatically win and for that solo player to just roll over and die.

Dude, there were plenty of hard to kill builds 1,5 year ago and now after nerfs to dots and stuns it's just getting ridiculus. There are plenty of YT videos, you live in lalala land man.



It was before nerf to dots and stunts lmao

but its just a troll build isnt it? i guess he cant kill anyone unlike those nasty stamina builds

oxygen_thief

BackStabeth wrote: »

If you are really serious about PvP, you wouldn't be doing it in ESO, it's a joke.

what should i do then? should i join to army?

Salthy

Commancho wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

If you can't beat 1 player with 10 after all the nerfs ZOS has done over the years to solo play, the fault is completely on you. Just because you bring more numbers doesn't mean you should automatically win and for that solo player to just roll over and die.

Dude, there were plenty of hard to kill builds 1,5 year ago and now after nerfs to dots and stuns it's just getting ridiculus. There are plenty of YT videos, you live in lalala land man.



It was before nerf to dots and stunts lmao

You could post a video of your own gameplay versus one of these unkillable builds, so we can determine where the problem lies exactly.

Lybal

Commancho wrote: »

Rikumaru wrote: »

If you can't beat 1 player with 10 after all the nerfs ZOS has done over the years to solo play, the fault is completely on you. Just because you bring more numbers doesn't mean you should automatically win and for that solo player to just roll over and die.

Dude, there were plenty of hard to kill builds 1,5 year ago and now after nerfs to dots and stuns it's just getting ridiculus. There are plenty of YT videos, you live in lalala land man.



It was before nerf to dots and stunts lmao

You're talking about a non-cp environment, and you link a video of a troll build in cp, ofc in cp pvp you can make stupid tank builds, sustain, healing, and hp pool / mitigation is so high there it's much harder to kill people, but this isn't a thing in no-cp.

With that said, even in cp a build able to deal damage is killable with 10 people, if the guy is good it'll be harder for sure and it can take long minutes, potatoes might even die, but the build in your video is harmless and can only be useful as a support, it's not a troll build for nothing, his goal is just to survive as long as he can, it's not like he can do much outside of that, other healers will purge / heal more than him, and almost any other build will deal more damage.

JumpmanLane

Commancho wrote: »

First you add bunch of sets which allow you to collect stacks of wpn/spell power when taking damage, then you give nord 4k ressitances + ultimate regeneration + bunch of other stuff, then you nerf dots to the ground, then you don't touch hots, then we have to face every second player being super tanky nord and we have a stupid 10vs1 battles (in NO CP!) where one guys is just running around with some immortal build and giggling at bunch of 1000CP+ players trying to take him down without effort. Do you think its fun in a flag based PVP? Do you even play your *** game?

You forgot the nerfs to oblivion damage and defiles. Tank meta is the result of nerflings winning in the forums.

We need some buffs around here.

StaticWave

Commancho wrote: »

First you add bunch of sets which allow you to collect stacks of wpn/spell power when taking damage, then you give nord 4k ressitances + ultimate regeneration + bunch of other stuff, then you nerf dots to the ground, then you don't touch hots, then we have to face every second player being super tanky nord and we have a stupid 10vs1 battles (in NO CP!) where one guys is just running around with some immortal build and giggling at bunch of 1000CP+ players trying to take him down without effort. Do you think its fun in a flag based PVP? Do you even play your *** game?

1000 CP+ doesn't mean anything, especially in a No CP campaign. I've seen better 400cp players than a max cp one. Definitely a l2p issue if 10+ players can't kill 1 in a No CP campaign.

Commancho

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

First you add bunch of sets which allow you to collect stacks of wpn/spell power when taking damage, then you give nord 4k ressitances + ultimate regeneration + bunch of other stuff, then you nerf dots to the ground, then you don't touch hots, then we have to face every second player being super tanky nord and we have a stupid 10vs1 battles (in NO CP!) where one guys is just running around with some immortal build and giggling at bunch of 1000CP+ players trying to take him down without effort. Do you think its fun in a flag based PVP? Do you even play your *** game?

You forgot the nerfs to oblivion damage and defiles. Tank meta is the result of nerflings winning in the forums.

We need some buffs around here.

Haha exactly, all these forum legends about squishy builds in no CP we can easly put in the books with fairy tales for children. These times are gone, you can tell me l2p, but instead I want to invite you to play some bgs togheter if you think that I have l2p issue (PC/EU @Commancho ).

Lybal

Commancho wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

First you add bunch of sets which allow you to collect stacks of wpn/spell power when taking damage, then you give nord 4k ressitances + ultimate regeneration + bunch of other stuff, then you nerf dots to the ground, then you don't touch hots, then we have to face every second player being super tanky nord and we have a stupid 10vs1 battles (in NO CP!) where one guys is just running around with some immortal build and giggling at bunch of 1000CP+ players trying to take him down without effort. Do you think its fun in a flag based PVP? Do you even play your *** game?

You forgot the nerfs to oblivion damage and defiles. Tank meta is the result of nerflings winning in the forums.

We need some buffs around here.

Haha exactly, all these forum legends about squishy builds in no CP we can easly put in the books with fairy tales for children. These times are gone, you can tell me l2p, but instead I want to invite you to play some bgs togheter if you think that I have l2p issue (PC/EU @Commancho ).

There's a difference between saying that no-cp builds are squichy and that no-cp build can't handle 10 average players.

You can build tanky in no-cp, very tanky in fact and even in no-cp the meta is very tanky with a lot of healing, you just can't build tanky enough to tank / kite 10 people with decent build and a bit of knowledge about pvp.

Kurat

Pvp is only small part of the game. Its impossible to "balance" it so its "fun" for everyone without completely destroying pve.

Iskiab

I can believe 1 person can handle 10 in no-CP against beginner players. A lot more people should be doing BGs imo to practice.

I’ve had BG games where I was top damage and healed for more than my entire’s team’s damage in the same game. ESO pvp is the kind of pvp where it takes a while to learn and start doing well, I’d just say keep practicing and playing and it’ll come.

Commancho

Lybal wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

First you add bunch of sets which allow you to collect stacks of wpn/spell power when taking damage, then you give nord 4k ressitances + ultimate regeneration + bunch of other stuff, then you nerf dots to the ground, then you don't touch hots, then we have to face every second player being super tanky nord and we have a stupid 10vs1 battles (in NO CP!) where one guys is just running around with some immortal build and giggling at bunch of 1000CP+ players trying to take him down without effort. Do you think its fun in a flag based PVP? Do you even play your *** game?

You forgot the nerfs to oblivion damage and defiles. Tank meta is the result of nerflings winning in the forums.

We need some buffs around here.

Haha exactly, all these forum legends about squishy builds in no CP we can easly put in the books with fairy tales for children. These times are gone, you can tell me l2p, but instead I want to invite you to play some bgs togheter if you think that I have l2p issue (PC/EU @Commancho ).

There's a difference between saying that no-cp builds are squichy and that no-cp build can't handle 10 average players.

You can build tanky in no-cp, very tanky in fact and even in no-cp the meta is very tanky with a lot of healing, you just can't build tanky enough to tank / kite 10 people with decent build and a bit of knowledge about pvp.

Ofcourse you can kite even larger groups. It's not PVE style of tanking, with perma block pressed on and holding a position lol

Mayrael

Lybal wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

Crixus8000 wrote: »

Then the 10 players need to get better. I see no issue with a good player beating multiple players of lesser skill. That's how it should be imo.

You should not win a fight just because you bring a bigger group.

Nonsense, nobody wins a fight because its a draw.

Honestly, if you can't take 1 guy down as 10 people in no-cp, I'd mostly blame that on the group of 10, even best players on tanky setup can't tank 10 average / above average players indefinitely in no-cp, he can probably hold them for a moment (which any good player on any spe is able to do anyway) before to die.

Unless you are Lybal, then you can survive 10 players and even kill some of them