Tank Noob

TheWalkinDread

Hi,

I primarily play as a DD and I am 810 CP but now I would like to create a tank so I can get into dungeons quicker to farm for gear.

I wont be using this character for end game activities such as trials, only norm/vet dungeons.

I know DK is the strongest class for tanking but I would prefer going for one of the other classes instead.

Which class would be better to go with...Warden or Necro?

zvavi

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Warden tanking is pretty nice, you can get Minor Toughness for a 10% health increase and you can restore stamina while blocking with Bull Netch.

I would agree that warden is probably much more noob friendly, the free purge, stam (or mag) netch, uber self heal, are all much better than what necro has, or to be honest any other class.

Necro still feels much more versatile, and if you are searching for a "main", one that you could run around doing shenanigans and enjoying swapping skills and trying things out, necro is totally it.

So my recommendation:
If you want solid tanking experience, and you dont enjoy doing silly things with the combat, go warden.
If you are enjoying combat, and combat is your kind of thing, you are going to be with the tank a lot, so necro.

Also, dont be so fixated on warden/necro/dk, templars nbs and sorcs are good solid choices too, with their ups and downs.

Nbs and templars are tanky af, but the tanking experience on them is very different from other classes, since you have no burst heal. Nb probably tankier.

Sorcs are unique. Some of their skills are uber versatile, and my opinion is totally biased in favor for them, but the main problem with sorc is the annoying pet that has to be double barred. You can still go "full templar" on them too and slot vigor as well, but idk .

Also get out of the mentality that dk is the best class for tanking, hasn't been like that for a while. I would take nb/warden self heal over dk's one every time. Real reasons people in end game kept going dk (in the past) is cause of the buffs he could provide to group when no one wanted to play dk dd/heal, i mean ye, they have some solid tanking skills and passives, but other classes stand strong in that aspect too. (Previous patch first place in vCR+3 had sorc tank for buffs, cause no one wanted to sorc dd/heal).

PS: i wouldn't go for the xynode. I am even pretty sure that iceheart and frozen watcher dont even proc azureblight, cause procs dont proc procs. And if they do, it is a bug that should be reported

dazee

I have a Templar tank, I know I did say I hate tanks in ESO and how they do almost nothing for damage, but I did make one in an attempt to maybe like it once I've played it some more, it hasn't worked so far but I've tanked some vet dungeons with it.

Templar tanks do have some issues like the class self heals are pretty bleh for templar tanking, but they also can still be very fun (for those who dont mind doing no damage)

I hear that Warden is an amazing tank as well, and Necro tanks can make great use of Ravenous Goliath.

Joxer61

fun and powerful all rolled into one...https://xynodegaming.com/natures-bounty/

But please be sure and have a taunt when you tank.....

#toomanyfaketanksineso

Aelorin

They can both be great tanks, so the question is: Do you enjoy ice and nature themed magic? Or more corpse themed magic?

Although I think you will love the Necro's armor skill which automatic pulls in ranged enenmies....

If you want to go the tank/heal and 3 DD route, than I think Warden is a bit better.

zvavi

Necro imo, amount of synergies and the ults are versible.

Septimus_Magna

Warden tanking is pretty nice, you can get Minor Toughness for a 10% health increase and you can restore stamina while blocking with Bull Netch.

Joxer61

zvavi wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Warden tanking is pretty nice, you can get Minor Toughness for a 10% health increase and you can restore stamina while blocking with Bull Netch.

PS: i wouldn't go for the xynode. I am even pretty sure that iceheart and frozen watcher dont even proc azureblight, cause procs dont proc procs. And if they do, it is a bug that should be reported

if it was a bug he would have reported, don't hate ffs.

zvavi

Joxer61 wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Warden tanking is pretty nice, you can get Minor Toughness for a 10% health increase and you can restore stamina while blocking with Bull Netch.

PS: i wouldn't go for the xynode. I am even pretty sure that iceheart and frozen watcher dont even proc azureblight, cause procs dont proc procs. And if they do, it is a bug that should be reported

if it was a bug he would have reported, don't hate ffs.

You are aware of zos's procs dont proc procs agenda right? I mean, do you want me to find you the post where they said that sets shouldn't proc sets?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460633/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-3-5-wrathstone-update-21#latest
Search proc. You will find it quite fast.

TheWalkinDread

Thanks for the input guys! looks like Im going with Warden!

Joxer61

zvavi wrote: »

Joxer61 wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Warden tanking is pretty nice, you can get Minor Toughness for a 10% health increase and you can restore stamina while blocking with Bull Netch.

PS: i wouldn't go for the xynode. I am even pretty sure that iceheart and frozen watcher dont even proc azureblight, cause procs dont proc procs. And if they do, it is a bug that should be reported

if it was a bug he would have reported, don't hate ffs.

You are aware of zos's procs dont proc procs agenda right? I mean, do you want me to find you the post where they said that sets shouldn't proc sets?
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/460633/pc-mac-patch-notes-v4-3-5-wrathstone-update-21#latest
Search proc. You will find it quite fast.

what I want is for you to stop hating on a build because of the maker...but hey, you do you, its your right. Xynode would not have put it out if it was broken in any way and did you watch the video, or the live stream of him using it? FFS mate have a clue.

Joxer61

TheWalkinDread wrote: »

Thanks for the input guys! looks like Im going with Warden!

They are fun!!!! and that's the whole point right?

Grianasteri

TheWalkinDread wrote: »

Hi,

I primarily play as a DD and I am 810 CP but now I would like to create a tank so I can get into dungeons quicker to farm for gear.

I wont be using this character for end game activities such as trials, only norm/vet dungeons.

I know DK is the strongest class for tanking but I would prefer going for one of the other classes instead.

Which class would be better to go with...Warden or Necro?

I have both. Both are great fun in their own ways. I have built them differently, and the play style is rather different as a result of the build and class.

My warden tank is focused more towards the ability to perma block & for true tanking, while my Necro tank is focused more on group support and helping with some dps (Alkosh etc).

My Necro requires more active game play to tank effectively and stay alive... while the Warden is just straight up hard as nails... this is in part the result of my build as well as the class. You can go either way I imagine.

Honestly there is not much between them but I would say the Warden can be build easier and tank better.

zvavi

@Joxer61

Joxer61 wrote: »

what I want is for you to stop hating on a build because of the maker...but hey, you do you, its your right. Xynode would not have put it out if it was broken in any way and did you watch the video, or the live stream of him using it? FFS mate have a clue.

I stand corrected, they do proc it, and it is still against the "rules" zos put for themselves.

Yo dawg, we heard you didn't like procs so we made sure your procs can't proc more procs. The Champion Point passives Resilient and Critical Leech will now be considered "proc" abilities, meaning it can’t proc other proc abilities such as item sets.

From the link i already provided.

Also, my main problem with the build is not xynode, in fact that even in the theme of the build, he didn't make it as efficient.
For example, putting sturdy on shield and reinforced on head/shoes/shoulders would net you more resists.
Using thurvokun instead of iceheart, would protect the group, have higher uptime, and hit more targets.
Using leeching plate instead of frozen watcher lets you block less, and heal you. Depends on your gameplay it might also higher the uptime for azureblight.
Now lets go over skills. (Yey~) tanks should focus more in utility, and putting in necrotic orbs (that has a dot every 0.5 seconds mind you, so is complementing to the build), it is a skill that is must imo, and gives resources back to your dds (you will be surprised the amount of healers that just refuse to give dds orbs). Additionally blood altar is a must on every dungeon tank imo (but thats only an opinion) It can easily save lives, there is a reason sorcs love surge, and it is like a mini surge for the whole group.

I mean, saying that i only "hate" xynode and trying to shut me up is much easier than actually debating on the build, you do you, and enjoy playing xynode builds, i will do me, and enjoy playing my builds. I dont tell you not to flail around xynode's builds now dont i?

Joxer61

zvavi wrote: »

@Joxer61

Joxer61 wrote: »

what I want is for you to stop hating on a build because of the maker...but hey, you do you, its your right. Xynode would not have put it out if it was broken in any way and did you watch the video, or the live stream of him using it? FFS mate have a clue.

I stand corrected, they do proc it, and it is still against the "rules" zos put for themselves.

Yo dawg, we heard you didn't like procs so we made sure your procs can't proc more procs. The Champion Point passives Resilient and Critical Leech will now be considered "proc" abilities, meaning it can’t proc other proc abilities such as item sets.

From the link i already provided.

Also, my main problem with the build is not xynode, in fact that even in the theme of the build, he didn't make it as efficient.
For example, putting sturdy on shield and reinforced on head/shoes/shoulders would net you more resists.
Using thurvokun instead of iceheart, would protect the group, have higher uptime, and hit more targets.
Using leeching plate instead of frozen watcher lets you block less, and heal you. Depends on your gameplay it might also higher the uptime for azureblight.
Now lets go over skills. (Yey~) tanks should focus more in utility, and putting in necrotic orbs (that has a dot every 0.5 seconds mind you, so is complementing to the build), it is a skill that is must imo, and gives resources back to your dds (you will be surprised the amount of healers that just refuse to give dds orbs). Additionally blood altar is a must on every dungeon tank imo (but thats only an opinion) It can easily save lives, there is a reason sorcs love surge, and it is like a mini surge for the whole group.

I mean, saying that i only "hate" xynode and trying to shut me up is much easier than actually debating on the build, you do you, and enjoy playing xynode builds, i will do me, and enjoy playing my builds. I dont tell you not to flail around xynode's builds now dont i?

not debating what you just posted, if you made something that works "better' for you, awesome, that's the whole point isn't it? Just your "PS " was a direct call out at Xy and that could have been avoided. A simple, I tried that posted build, didn't like it, but have tried X,Y and Z. That would have been civil, instead of claiming it should be reported and what have you. That's ok though, isn't the first time and wont be the last. I just wish folks would simply comment on the builds without bashing the creators, and this is any them...Xy, Liko ,Asian ,Alcast, Skinny…...if you don't like it, don't use it. But tearing people down and having a go at them is just silly.
This has been derailed from the OP's point so im done....and it looks like he found something he likes so win win.

(also, in reference to what you said about the build, you do get the concept of the build right? He isn't trying to sell as a meat shield "end game meta" kind of thing. Lots of people ask for a bit of dps while tanking so there ya go. People need to actually take the time to listen the video and they will grasp what is trying to convened in said build. Saying it could be "better" if it had this or it had that, that is quite simply your opinion, and not the only way to do something.)