Returning player, Magsorc or Magcro ? Please, Help me find a class ! :(

Dreambox

Hello all, returning player here, haven't played since a while so I would like to start a new character to get a fresh start.

I don't really want to spend time trying a bunch of different classe, since I already have an idea of what kind of playstyle I like I through I would just ask to the experts. Please forgive my english, it's not my native language.

I'll mostly play PVE, I'll do some PVP from time to time, but mostly for fun, i'm NOT looking to be the best player and spend hours and hours doing new build and trying to get the best DPS I can, just looking for the class that would suit me the most, still, I don't want to play with a very bad character and feel like I'm not doing anything while playing with a group.

I'm torn between a Magsorc and a Magcro, but I heard that Magcro are like... very bad, Stamcro on the otherhand seems to be one of the top class for now, but I'm not into Stamina, I find the melee combat with DW/2H boring as hell and would prefer to use a staff, so I'd prefer a magicka class to stay at range.
Because i'm not en expert, I'm open to other suggestions of course !

What I'm actually looking for :

• Going for a DPS and will play mostly solo
• As I said, something quite ranged with a staff would be what suit me most, as I found melee weapon fighting in this game really boring and lacking feedback, just my opinion through
• I don't mind using pets
• I'm not really into having to bring 34 AOE attack before every fight
• I would prefer to be quite mobile and be able to move my character while playing like going backward while mobs are coming toward me dodging or something
• Visual and audio feedback are very important to me, I wan't to see some big colorfull stuff happening with some WOSHHHHH sound everywhere so I can feel big and strong
• I'll mostly play solo or with one or two friends, not going competitive at all, and 9/10 of my playtime will be PVE / Donjon and a little bit of Trials
• Again, not looking for the most poweful class, but don't want to be trash tier either, but fun is better than a boring but powerfull class.
• BONUS : is Necro blastbone finally fixed or what ?

Thansk in advance for any reply !

Iskiab

I strongly feel you’ll like magsorc better. Magcro is okay but playing solo doesn’t play to the class’ strength, magsorc is very much a good solo class.

For pvp magcro also takes some time to master. People who stick with it do well though, but for casual playing you’re likely to get frustrated, but sorc which is very easy to play.

thadjarvis

Dreambox wrote: »

What I'm actually looking for :

• Going for a DPS and will play mostly solo similar DPS, Necro has more AOE
• I don't mind using pets Sorc up to two permanent pets; Necro summons 1 for a 2 seconds but more of an attack than a pet, 1 for 15ish?, and solo may use another 15ish?
• I'm not really into having to bring 34 AOE attack before every fight don't quite understand, but Sorc's AOE ground DoT isn't really useful; maybe that a benefit if interpreting correctly
• I would prefer to be quite mobile and be able to move my character while playing like going backward while mobs are coming toward me dodging or something Sorc has major expedition on resist skill for solo play; can use streak as a non-meta soloer; Necro has zero mobility in class
• Visual and audio feedback are very important to me, I wan't to see some big colorfull stuff happening with some WOSHHHHH sound everywhere so I can feel big and strong Sorc's Crystal Frag proc fits the audio cue best; Necro sound effects are quieter but more colors with greens/blues
• Again, not looking for the most poweful class, but don't want to be trash tier either, but fun is better than a boring but powerfull class. ST equal for the most part; Necro stronger in AOE and group utility[/i]
  
• BONUS : is Necro blastbone finally fixed or what ? login and find out; it's supposed to be more reliable though everyone feels differently on this; you can try the skill in 5minutes on a new character

Other notes:
Rotation: many find sorc quite easy; Necro isn't super hard, but it depends if you like the Necro/Warden style rotation which is casting a blastbone every two or three skills.
Necro has the corpse mini-game. Some find it wonky; some enjoy it; some don't care and just play it.

Aelorin

Magsorc and magcro are both good in DPS.

I think you will like the sorcerer the most because of mobility. Sorcerer has permanent pets.

I have both. I like my magcro the most.

Why dont you level both till level 10 or 15 and then choose?

Dreambox

Thanks for both of the reply, guess I'll play both of them for a while and find out !

alucardwickershampreub18_ESO

magsorc

Dreambox

Well yeah, after trying both I found the Magsorc much more fun for me

thanks again for the replies !

Joxer61

Magden!!

Arjuna1696

I'm loving my Mag Warden! Valkyn Skoria monster helm will definitely get you the "whoosh" sound from a meteor hitting the ground, which happens roughly every 6-7 seconds. The Winter's Revenge AOE looks and sounds great, shalks exploding feel impactful, and Bird of Prey gives you mobility + an awesome wings animation. I know that's neither class you mentioned, but I bet it'd check most of your boxes!

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Based on everything you said, I dont think its even close between your two options. Mag Sorc is an excellent option for ranged magic DPS in group content, they are incredibly mobile in PVP (or if you need to kite stuff in PVE), you have multiple playstyles (with or without pets), etc.

As you said, certainly play both, but I think you will land on MagSorc. I have 3 of each class, but if I am being honest, mag necro might be my least favorite of them all. They can be very tough in PVP if played well. Raids are no longer stacking 8 stamcros either. They are strong, but I f'ing hate 2H wrecking blow builds, but of course, that is just preference.

If you want a wild card in the current meta, check out Mag DK. They are meta DPS at the moment, and they actually can play ranged pretty well. If you want a melee build with a staff, hard to find a better option. They dont use whip any longer for PVE DPS, so you can keep your distance far better than you used to. You still need to be able to land burning embers and talons, but especially with Elf Bane (meta DK set) they have very long duration.

Grianasteri

Dreambox wrote: »

Hello all, returning player here, haven't played since a while so I would like to start a new character to get a fresh start.

I don't really want to spend time trying a bunch of different classe, since I already have an idea of what kind of playstyle I like I through I would just ask to the experts. Please forgive my english, it's not my native language.

I'll mostly play PVE, I'll do some PVP from time to time, but mostly for fun, i'm NOT looking to be the best player and spend hours and hours doing new build and trying to get the best DPS I can, just looking for the class that would suit me the most, still, I don't want to play with a very bad character and feel like I'm not doing anything while playing with a group.

I'm torn between a Magsorc and a Magcro, but I heard that Magcro are like... very bad, Stamcro on the otherhand seems to be one of the top class for now, but I'm not into Stamina, I find the melee combat with DW/2H boring as hell and would prefer to use a staff, so I'd prefer a magicka class to stay at range.
Because i'm not en expert, I'm open to other suggestions of course !

What I'm actually looking for :

• Going for a DPS and will play mostly solo
• As I said, something quite ranged with a staff would be what suit me most, as I found melee weapon fighting in this game really boring and lacking feedback, just my opinion through
• I don't mind using pets
• I'm not really into having to bring 34 AOE attack before every fight
• I would prefer to be quite mobile and be able to move my character while playing like going backward while mobs are coming toward me dodging or something
• Visual and audio feedback are very important to me, I wan't to see some big colorfull stuff happening with some WOSHHHHH sound everywhere so I can feel big and strong
• I'll mostly play solo or with one or two friends, not going competitive at all, and 9/10 of my playtime will be PVE / Donjon and a little bit of Trials
• Again, not looking for the most poweful class, but don't want to be trash tier either, but fun is better than a boring but powerfull class.
• BONUS : is Necro blastbone finally fixed or what ?

Thansk in advance for any reply !

I have both Magsorc and Magcro.

My Magsorc is one of my most played and most reliable DPS I have. It is easy to use, has great survivability, so good for solo play (I am currently soloing my way through the base game vet dungeons) and shock effects are also visually stimulating. I use Grothdaar monster set which is also visually impressive when it procs.

In contrast, Magcro is one of my least played and newest DPS characters. I find it very enjoyable game play wise, BUT, very fiddly and takes some getting used to, its certainly not as easy to use as a magsorc. In the right hands, it can easily do similar dps though, in fact I think its pretty high in the dps charts. Blastbones had NOT been fixed until the most recent update, which I hear has updated it. Whether this has fixed it I do not know. I am on console and its still virtually unusable at times (weve not had the update yet).

Grianasteri

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

They dont use whip any longer for PVE DPS, so you can keep your distance far better than you used to. You still need to be able to land burning embers and talons, but especially with Elf Bane (meta DK set) they have very long duration.

Interesting... I have always found magDK annoying due its virtual melee range requirement... in fact I literally just commented so elsewhere in another thread. Perhaps I will take another look after the next patch (PS4).

Icaruzs

For visual i like most the lightining effect of the sorc. For sound maybe the necro smash.

But what i love is dealing only lighting damage till all of my screen is "eletric". My personal magsorc dps build runs liquid lightining,unstable wall of elements (shock)Boundless Storm and destro ult (shock), and crit surge. When i usee all those lightining skill everything just dies, while i can tank the ads with crit surge healing and sorc shield.

Also sorc is far better at survivability thanks to shields, crit surge and pets. Also sorc is the best class for mobility, thanks to streak/ball of lighting and Boundless Storm/hurricane.

If like lightining, daedra, and CC skills= sorc

if like dead stuff and a healing tree= necro

Isskander

Sorc still overpowered if you want be more flex in owning in pvp & v good pve chose this
Necro had a boost in this patch but mainly pve
I recomend you stick to some youtube descriptions and compare by yourself ...

Kurat

Arjuna1696 wrote: »

I'm loving my Mag Warden! Valkyn Skoria monster helm will definitely get you the "whoosh" sound from a meteor hitting the ground, which happens roughly every 6-7 seconds. The Winter's Revenge AOE looks and sounds great, shalks exploding feel impactful, and Bird of Prey gives you mobility + an awesome wings animation. I know that's neither class you mentioned, but I bet it'd check most of your boxes!

Magden maybe fun to play but its trash.
Go with sorc or necro, you'll get more deeps.

YandereGirlfriend

I just leveled a magCro and can say that it is fun to play but is also much more work than most other classes, Stamina or Magicka.

Take magSorc for example, where the only important mechanic that you need to master is responding immediately to your Crystal Frag proc so as to maximize the ability's DPS. It's mainly a twitch reaction thing: you hear the telltale "schiiing" sound and cast it as your next skill... then you go back to whatever you were doing before.

Compared to that, magCro has the corpse consumption mechanic and that introduces way more timers and responses than the simple Crystal Frags proc: Blastbones creates a corpse (every ~3 seconds), your Skeleton Mage creates a corpse (~14 seconds), and your Armor spell creates a corpse (~20 seconds) and that's all in addition to whatever things that you actually kill.

Paired with that you have corpse consumption mechanic with Boneyard (every ~10 seconds), Mystic Siphon (~12 seconds), and your Ultimate gain consumption skill (if you slot it) that you may use on any "extra" corpses. From that, it's easy to see that these timers don't overlap very neatly and, as such, you are juggling corpse consumption on a somewhat ad-hoc fashion.

That "ad-hoc-ness" is what makes it enjoyable to play but it's also a lot more mental overhead that you have to stack on top of actual dungeon/trial mechanics.

I WISH that there was a better actual damage purpose for corpses though. Stamina gets the option to explode corpses and I would love an instant-cast explosion for magCro.

Deathlord92

I always believe in the play what you personally prefer but imo mag sorc better especially for solo tho stamcro god mode magcro not very good atm but again you can make any class good if you put the time and effort into it.

dazee

I've found Necro also makes a very strong healer in pve and pvp.

Iskiab

Kurat wrote: »

Arjuna1696 wrote: »

I'm loving my Mag Warden! Valkyn Skoria monster helm will definitely get you the "whoosh" sound from a meteor hitting the ground, which happens roughly every 6-7 seconds. The Winter's Revenge AOE looks and sounds great, shalks exploding feel impactful, and Bird of Prey gives you mobility + an awesome wings animation. I know that's neither class you mentioned, but I bet it'd check most of your boxes!

Magden maybe fun to play but its trash.
Go with sorc or necro, you'll get more deeps.

Maybe in pve I don’t really know, but in pvp MagWarden is a good class.

One thing I’ve always wondered, there are so many players who try zoo builds in BGs. Does the damage total at the end of the BG include damage to pets? The nature of magwarden is aoe so I’m not sure how much of magwarden damage is effective damage vs aoe spam.

katorga

I play both.

Magcro has more options, in my opinion. You can tank, heal, reasonably dos, or go stamina. It is no nearly as easy to play as Sorc. A LOT slower, worse sustain, worse damage, worse CC. But it has better mitigation and the ultimates are more fun.

Magsorc still has great burst, great healing, good CC, OK ultimates, and fantastic mobility and good defense. My main problem with sorc is that the "meta" builds use old, boring sets. It is essentially the same build as 4 years ago. On the plus side, super easy to gear a sorc.

Magtemplar beats both, IMO.

Veinblood1965

My original character and my favorite was a mag/sorc with two pets. Lots of different play styles to be had and rotation was challenging enough to be non-boring. I built a mag/nec and it just was so freaking clunky to play I got him to level 50 and mothballed him, no desire to play again. The pet thing was not pet/like and the eating corpse thing was unique but too much of a hassle to just be doing the exact same damage as a one press spell like my main.

On a side note I started a stam/warden first stamina class I've played and still playing him well past 50. Bow/two hand for set up although I've pretty much mothballed the two hander. Not as much dmg as my main was but this time around I'm not focusing on dmg just being tanky with medium damage. It's fun to just go toe to toe with most mobs and not die.

Iskiab

katorga wrote: »

I play both.

Magcro has more options, in my opinion. You can tank, heal, reasonably dos, or go stamina. It is no nearly as easy to play as Sorc. A LOT slower, worse sustain, worse damage, worse CC. But it has better mitigation and the ultimates are more fun.

Magsorc still has great burst, great healing, good CC, OK ultimates, and fantastic mobility and good defense. My main problem with sorc is that the "meta" builds use old, boring sets. It is essentially the same build as 4 years ago. On the plus side, super easy to gear a sorc.

Magtemplar beats both, IMO.

What do most magsorcs use? I use Necro + BTB + Chudan.

Ozazz

well they've continuously ruined mgk sorc for pvp so if I were you id pay to play and go necro, this is if you pvp

dazee

I've heard a lot of complaints about magnecro in high end pve, I havent noticed any of the issues yet myself though.