Knowing you’ve been ignored is important

Saelent

I was originally going to set this up as a question:
“How do I know I’ve been ignored?”
But then for the situation I’m about to explain I now know I haven’t been ignored, so this is just a case of discussion in terms of how the ignore system can be improved.

Now I have been ignored before, the messages went nowhere and no errors popped up. I knew I had been ignored because there was an argument I was one side of and they basically finished with “f u, now u’re blocked” or something to that meaning.

The situation which confused me and caused the creation of this thread was a pre-trade discussion with someone on my friend’s list. What the trade was of doesn’t matter, no currency was passed, but I was left in much the same situation, messages going but not appearing and no errors. They had switched character and so I found out I hadn’t been ignored, they’d only been offline.

Am I wrong in thinking there used to be errors when someone went offline and you sent them messages?

Why doesn’t being ignored by a person remove them from your friend list? - I could have out dated information here.

Finally, what ways do you think the ignore system could be improved?

VaranisArano

I don't think players need to know when they've been ignored. Part of the Ignore function is that the player using it just gets to mute the other person. There's any number of people who would take that as an excuse to step up whatever behavior got them ignored.

For an improvement to the system, I wish players couldn't message people they've ignored. There's a certain type of player who likes to send hate-tells to folks but then ignores them so they never have to deal with any vitriol and witty ripostes. If you want to dish it out, you ought to be able to take it. Conversely, if you don't want to take it, you shouldn't be able to dish it out.

nafensoriel

I think the ignore system could be improved by people getting thicker skin and remembering it's just a video game.

Veinblood1965

nafensoriel wrote: »

I think the ignore system could be improved by people getting thicker skin and remembering it's just a video game.

Apparently you have not seen the Matrix. While you read this your energy is being sucked dry by Dwemers.

dazee

People need to know if someone is ignoring them, and ignoring someone should remove them from friends both ways.
"Thicker Skin" isn't a relevant argument. this is the INTERNET son, some people are just wild rabid animals who we dont need to be seeing their disgusting and offensive vitriol 24/7.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

I think I’ve used the ignore function once since 2014.

Meanwhile I mute people on Bleacher Report every day. Go figure.

zvavi

I think that when you ignore someone he can't send you messages. Like. Literally. You type. And it is as if he is offline. Nothing sent.

x48rph

It's same thing with marking yourself as offline which people do and then send out their hate tells as well which you can't respond to either. Pretty much it should be a two way street or not at all. If I can't whisper someone, they shouldn't be able to whisper me either.

Edit cause I misread something

vamp_emily

I don't think there was an error message when a player went off line. However, if you have them on your friends list, you might see a messaged that they logged off. Not sure if the message is coming from the game or an addon.

I do use the ignore feature, the game is much better with 100 players on ignore. Trust me if you are on my ignore list there is definitely a reason why. In most cases the players know they made it to my ignore list. I publicly announce, "Welcome to my ignore list <trolls name>" before I add them. I like to listen to their last words.

Not sure if this is true or not but someone told me if you place someone on ignore then that person can still see what you type in chat. If that is the case, an improvement to the system would be to make it where they don't see my zone chats.

PizzaCat82

I would love a message when my messages aren't be recieved, and I'd also like a notification when I'm travelling or logging that I have been messaged, or if I'm in a dungeon and cant respond.. or crafting..

Shoot, there are tons of times I've probably missed messages due to the game.

FatelessLava

As far as I know if you have ignored someone, they cannot message you in the game, cannot interact with you, and you cannot see their text UNLESS you are in a group with them, for whatever reason. (Had someone on my ignore list get, invited into a trial run and I could see their text in group chat.) Which I think if you have someone ignored, you shouldn’t be able to see their text at ALL. I get you might need to see group chat for some content where they have no mic but it’s silly you can still see their text if they are grouped with you.

Also as far as I am aware (unless a friend was messaging me) if you have someone on ignore, it removes them from your friend list and you from theirs. Had a friend test that out with me and they said I was no longer on their list and had to re add me after we finished the test. Now I could be putting false memories in that part but I do vaguely remember that. Which I like because I don’t want to be followed by said ignored person if they were on my list.

ThePlayer

The easiest way to check if you are on someone's ignore list is to ask questions directly to this person, you can ask questions in guild chat by specifying their name or direct wisp;
if in the first case someone else replies for him or does not get any immediate reply = you are in an ignore list, if in the second case the answer is account not found = you are in an ignore list, this is because if you ignore someone you will not be able to see more messages of this person in any chat.
I personally put in my ignore list:
- players with 300 CPs who are not ready going to queue in the vet dlc dungeons, because the system should exclude them from my future queues (at least hopefully);
- the so-called queen players, these players who feel superman and best of all that just a wipe and leave the group;
- rude people with obvious anti-social disturbances.
But I am not so absolute in my list of ignored and I personally delete all my list of ignored every 6-8 months, because although there are clinical cases in my opinion the players can change (some of them leave the game as well) and however, each of us may have that bad day that implies unpleasant behavior in play.

Veinblood1965

I have only used ignore/block for those in voice chat who cuss every other word in casual conversation or those who have terrible music playing. Which is about 90% of the time that I hear someone in voice chat. It's rare to hear an actual decent conversation going on or actual good toons.

illusiouk

If like me you have a ever increasing ignore list, I find TOXIC PLAYERS addon helps me to remember why I put that player on the list in the first place. Good when you have the misfortune of finding them in the same group as you through the likes of activity finder.

dazee

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

I have only used ignore/block for those in voice chat who cuss every other word in casual conversation or those who have terrible music playing. Which is about 90% of the time that I hear someone in voice chat. It's rare to hear an actual decent conversation going on or actual good toons.

Explain how you hear terrible music from other players through the in game chat system.

dazee

illusiouk wrote: »

If like me you have a ever increasing ignore list, I find TOXIC PLAYERS addon helps me to remember why I put that player on the list in the first place. Good when you have the misfortune of finding them in the same group as you through the likes of activity finder.

If someone is toxic I dont want to remember them, I dont want to think about them, they no longer exist as far as I am concerned and I want to FORGET them.

Syldras

nafensoriel wrote: »

I think the ignore system could be improved by people getting thicker skin and remembering it's just a video game.

I see a different solution: Learning to behave like a decent person and not harassing other players.

Not that I ignore many (I've got maybe 2 people on my ignore list, I think), but the way some people are acting in the chat would get them into real trouble in RL. "Trouble" as in "getting a fist into their face" (Of course I do not condone violence, but I guess something like that could happen if they insult the wrong person). Actually I pity them for ridiculing themselves.

spartaxoxo

I think that there should be an error message when you try to send a message to someone who cannot received your message.

Something like "Error: Cannot send message" or even the "User not Found" error you get when you try to send a message to someone who has completely closed out the client.

I do NOT think it should tell you that you've specifically been ignored, or let you know a user whenever a user blocks you. That would be out of line.

An error message like the above could mean ignored, or it could mean they dc'ed or have chosen to appear offline. You don't know and it's not your business.

Nanfoodle

I would not take any of this personally. Other night I was in a really bad mood so I needed to log in take out my frustrations on some NPCs and marked myself offline so I would not to speak to anyone.

max_only

ThePlayer wrote: »

The easiest way to check if you are on someone's ignore list is to ask questions directly to this person, you can ask questions in guild chat by specifying their name or direct wisp;
if in the first case someone else replies for him or does not get any immediate reply = you are in an ignore list, if in the second case the answer is account not found = you are in an ignore list, this is because if you ignore someone you will not be able to see more messages of this person in any chat.
I personally put in my ignore list:
- players with 300 CPs who are not ready going to queue in the vet dlc dungeons, because the system should exclude them from my future queues (at least hopefully);
- the so-called queen players, these players who feel superman and best of all that just a wipe and leave the group;
- rude people with obvious anti-social disturbances.
But I am not so absolute in my list of ignored and I personally delete all my list of ignored every 6-8 months, because although there are clinical cases in my opinion the players can change (some of them leave the game as well) and however, each of us may have that bad day that implies unpleasant behavior in play.

You will still be queued and grouped with people on your ignore list.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I think that there should be an error message when you try to send a message to someone who cannot received your message.

Something like "Error: Cannot send message" or even the "User not Found" error you get when you try to send a message to someone who has completely closed out the client.

I do NOT think it should tell you that you've specifically been ignored, or let you know a user whenever a user blocks you. That would be out of line.

An error message like the above could mean ignored, or it could mean they dc'ed or have chosen to appear offline. You don't know and it's not your business.

I agree. A generic message that is the same as if they were marked offline or not in game should display when you try to /w them.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Words, are like bullets. And I let them pass right through me.

Thevampirenight

I don't like using the Ignore system unless its for gold seller spammers. In fact I would not mind if they reduced the ignore list to fifty and giving us 150 friend slots as having a one hundred friends limit is so annoying .
A 150 would be better and since I don't really use the Ignore list unless Its a gold spammer. Given there isn't any in chat that I see. Not since they added the Delete limit, I don't see the need for the ignore list like before when there were gold spammers.

So reducing it would be fine with me. I know some people like to ignore others for various reasons. But to me not seeing what is being said is worse and seeing half conversations isn't something I care for. I prefer to see the whole conversation then half for example.

Vevvev

I got a funny story where I was helping someone in zone chat and gave them a very broad but not really incorrect answer. I forgot the topic but it was something only very new players wouldn't know and the super specifics were not really required as it was one of those "common sense" things.

Next thing I know I'm getting a tell from someone trying to teach me (A CP810+ player with 4k+ hours in the game) the very fine details about this topic and I tried to politely tell them I already knew this and they should have posted what they did in zone, or the person asking the question. They called me "Rude" and something else not really appropriate for these forums and when I tried to respond I got a "Character not found" error.

I think they blocked me or somethin, but they could have just immediately logged out or went invisible. I don't personally know since it never tells you. Oh well...

Minyassa

I know it can be inconvenient, but the ignore feature really needs to err on the side of the ignorer. Reason being is that yeah, some people use it frivolously or for reasons most would find dumb, but some people actually do get harassed or stalked, and it is better protection for them for a harasser to think they they are simply not responding than to know they're on the ignore list so they can just go make a new account and ambush their victim with more harassment. I'm willing for the inconvenience to happen to me if it means someone doesn't have to hear *** threats from her ex in a game.

JumpmanLane

Only people I got on ignore are snitches. People who talk trash then reported me when I gave as good as I got.

I don’t have time for that. If you’re tough, BE tough. Don’t hot foot it ‘round to ZOS trying to TELL something lol. We need some more CHEESE for all the rats we got ‘round here lol.

BackStabeth

If you ignore someone, then personally I could care less if they don't get a notification they have been ignored. I ignore for my benefit not to upset the person I ignored.

If I ignore someone, that means I no longer want communication with them, so I should not be able to send them messages after I have ignored them.

I also feel if someone has been ignored by enough people, they should be marginalized for a time, punished if you will. So if they say things in zone chat that cause people to put them on ignore, after so many they are muted so they cannot say anything in zone chat for a specific amount of time.

People tend to express and present the very worst parts of their personality when they cannot be held accountable. They feel they can get away cheating people, saying things that they never would in real life to someone's face, being basically a troll. These people should not be afforded any courtesy or know they have been ignored. Let them continue trying to upset people and feel that are being ignored regardless if it's software or actual ignoring what they say. Let them waste their time trying to upset people who have ignored them.

Saelent

All great comments guys, thank you!

Just to reiterate, if a person goes offline to switch characters, whether they’re in a loading screen or what, the tell system treats your messages as if you were being ignored.

I still don’t agree with that, I understand making it unclear that you’ve actually been ignored, but what about when you think you’ve been ignored and you haven’t? Something should tell you otherwise.

SmukkeHeks

I was bullied as a child. As the small towns only redhead, the smart girl, the thin girl, the girl that once got beaten by her “father”, there was very little choice. I sorted it out by myself, at that time bullying wasn’t an adult problem, so I cornered the biggest boy from 9th grade and gave him the beating of a lifetime. The bullying stopped and it never returned. I got a week detention, it was all worth it.

What I wanted with that anecdote? Make aware of the fact that bullies do not stop by being ignored. They stop when they meet someone that drags them into the shadows and pounces on them.

In game ignore list in my world would be perfect if it removed the player all together. I’m only ignoring the foul mouthed, the badly disciplined, the ones with their hate whisper when I kill them. It would mean so much more if they one day logged in, just to find themselves being all alone in a mmo......

EIGHTS

Why do you care about you are ignored?
Who ignores me is their loss, not mine.

Saelent

EIGHTS wrote: »

Why do you care about you are ignored?
Who ignores me is their loss, not mine.

But what if you aren’t being ignored? What if it just looks like it because they all look the same?

Peekachu99

Function is fine as is, with the exception of being grouped through Activity Finder with people on your ignore list. I’ve blocked less than half a dozen people in five years on three platforms and that’s only as they were so toxic as to warrant such a move. So it’s annoying when you’re still—rarely—thrown into a group with them and have to hear their inanity again.