When is Bright-Throat's Boast good?

FrancisCrawford

The Golden has Bright-Throat's Boast necklaces this weekend. There's a Murkmire event coming soon. It's time to figure out whether one wants some Bright-Throat's Boast.

Bright-Throat Boast's five-piece bonus is great: 2000 Max Magicka plus 150 Magicka Recovery. But there's a catch: You have to use a drink rather than food.

Blue health/magicka food like Solitude Salmon-Millet Soup provides 4936 Max Magicka and 5395 Max. The drink Double Bloody Mara offers 4620 Max Magicka and 5051 Max Health, which is a reduction of 316 Max Magicka and 344 Max Health. Suddenly the net benefit of BTB is looking rather meh. The calculations are similar for purple food vs. the Spring-Loaded Infusion drink.

If you're planning on using a drink anyway, however, I imagine BTB can be pretty good. In what kind of situations is that the case?

And by the way -- is Psijic Ambrosia an expensive workaround to BTB's drawback?

JumpmanLane

When you run WITCHMOTHER’S and PRISMATIC glyphs for stats and the APPRENTICE instead of Atro on any race not Breton. Lol. You know when you run a damage set along with Bright Throat’s ( and Bright Throat’s becomes a legit SECOND damage set) and you thereby end up with GREAT sustain. When you can use SKILLS more instead of heavies lmao.


Bonafides please...because no offense but your theory crafting is meh.

ArchMikem

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

And by the way -- is Psijic Ambrosia an expensive workaround to BTB's drawback?

Ambrosia, doesn't count? It's not a drink buff, it's an experience gained bonus, like the scrolls. Right?

Ratzkifal

ArchMikem wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

And by the way -- is Psijic Ambrosia an expensive workaround to BTB's drawback?

Ambrosia, doesn't count? It's not a drink buff, it's an experience gained bonus, like the scrolls. Right?

It gets affected by the increased duration for drinks passive from provisioning and Nord, so it actually might work with Bright-Throats.

witchdoctor

BTB is a staple PVP set where sustain is crucial.

virtus753

Ratzkifal wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

And by the way -- is Psijic Ambrosia an expensive workaround to BTB's drawback?

Ambrosia, doesn't count? It's not a drink buff, it's an experience gained bonus, like the scrolls. Right?

It gets affected by the increased duration for drinks passive from provisioning and Nord, so it actually might work with Bright-Throats.

But you can also have a drink buff alongside it, no? So it shouldn't take up the single "food/drink buff" slot, which gets overwritten when you take a new food/drink. Wouldn't BTB check there to see if a drink is active? I'm not sure how it's set up exactly, though.

EdoKeledus

Good set for magicka sorcerer since this class stack max magicka and need to reach +1800 magicka recovery. Very useful with another max magicka set like alfiq or necropotence and the three stat drink.

Iskiab

BTB is good when you run double bloody Mara with vampire... or at least that’s how I run it.

If you use mist instead of dodge rolling or a S&B back bar I find you can strip a lot of stamina and do fine.

I run 10k stam and as an altmer I do fine.

If you prefer a higher stamina pool then shackle is a bit bettter with tri stat food.

Dusk_Coven

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witchdoctor

And by the way -- is Psijic Ambrosia an expensive workaround to BTB's drawback?

Ambrosia, doesn't count? It's not a drink buff, it's an experience gained bonus, like the scrolls. Right?

Interesting question, and I had a (cheap) Ambrosia to donate to the cause.



BTB in first panel. With Brew in second panel, and a mag recovery of 1647. Food in third panel. Food plus the Ambrosia in fourth panel. Mag recovery remained 957 in both.

Ambrosia does NOT count as a drink for BTB.

brandonv516

BTB and Spring-Loaded Infusion works really well!

thissocalledflower

What about that new bloody Mary's that gives Magicka Regen?

Anyway, crafty alfiq seems like the better set to use

doomette

witchdoctor wrote: »

And by the way -- is Psijic Ambrosia an expensive workaround to BTB's drawback?

Ambrosia, doesn't count? It's not a drink buff, it's an experience gained bonus, like the scrolls. Right?

Interesting question, and I had a (cheap) Ambrosia to donate to the cause.



BTB in first panel. With Brew in second panel, and a mag recovery of 1647. Food in third panel. Food plus the Ambrosia in fourth panel. Mag recovery remained 957 in both.

Ambrosia does NOT count as a drink for BTB.

SCIENCE!

llande

It's situational, I use both Bloody Mara's, spring loaded and witch mother's with btb

FrancisCrawford

JumpmanLane wrote: »

When you run WITCHMOTHER’S and PRISMATIC glyphs for stats and the APPRENTICE instead of Atro on any race not Breton. Lol. You know when you run a damage set along with Bright Throat’s ( and Bright Throat’s becomes a legit SECOND damage set) and you thereby end up with GREAT sustain. When you can use SKILLS more instead of heavies lmao.


Bonafides please...because no offense but your theory crafting is meh.

Huh? What kind of credentials do you think somebody needs before they should be allowed to ask a question?

FrancisCrawford

EdoKeledus wrote: »

Good set for magicka sorcerer since this class stack max magicka and need to reach +1800 magicka recovery. Very useful with another max magicka set like alfiq or necropotence and the three stat drink.

Are you thinking of PvP here?

Iskiab wrote: »

BTB is good when you run double bloody Mara with vampire... or at least that’s how I run it.

If you use mist instead of dodge rolling or a S&B back bar I find you can strip a lot of stamina and do fine.

I run 10k stam and as an altmer I do fine.

If you prefer a higher stamina pool then shackle is a bit bettter with tri stat food.

And surely this is a PvP reference?

FrancisCrawford

witchdoctor wrote: »

And by the way -- is Psijic Ambrosia an expensive workaround to BTB's drawback?

Ambrosia, doesn't count? It's not a drink buff, it's an experience gained bonus, like the scrolls. Right?

Interesting question, and I had a (cheap) Ambrosia to donate to the cause.



BTB in first panel. With Brew in second panel, and a mag recovery of 1647. Food in third panel. Food plus the Ambrosia in fourth panel. Mag recovery remained 957 in both.

Ambrosia does NOT count as a drink for BTB.

Thanks for checking!

MartiniDaniels

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

EdoKeledus wrote: »

Good set for magicka sorcerer since this class stack max magicka and need to reach +1800 magicka recovery. Very useful with another max magicka set like alfiq or necropotence and the three stat drink.

Are you thinking of PvP here?

Iskiab wrote: »

BTB is good when you run double bloody Mara with vampire... or at least that’s how I run it.

If you use mist instead of dodge rolling or a S&B back bar I find you can strip a lot of stamina and do fine.

I run 10k stam and as an altmer I do fine.

If you prefer a higher stamina pool then shackle is a bit bettter with tri stat food.

And surely this is a PvP reference?

Of course, this is all about PVP. For PVE set might be not worst, but meta PVE dps sets easily overshadow it. I tested it in U22 when ZOS buffed Bloody Mara to the skies and still result was worse then siroria+mothersorrow.

Zardayne

witchdoctor wrote: »

BTB is a staple PVP set where sustain is crucial.

Yep, that's when my magden wears it.

Gnortranermara

I've tried it, but the stats from BTB aren't good enough to make up for the stat loss of running a drink. None of the drinks are good enough since Witchmother's (et al) got stupidly over-nerfed in a fun-killing nerfathon. In practice, the set will still perform decently, but IMO the alternatives are better. I won't mention the alternatives by name, since they'd probably get the Iceheart treatment. Openly discussing the game on the game's official forums is dangerous when devs are hostile to player interests and openly use the forums to identify and destroy things that players like.

gatekeeper13

An amazing set I use together with Shacklebreaker and Bloodspawn in my magsorc for pvp. Managed to get Paragon and Merciless titles and achieve around 190+ kills only 3-4 days after I started doing BG deathmaches. Great sustain.

Elsonso

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

When you run WITCHMOTHER’S and PRISMATIC glyphs for stats and the APPRENTICE instead of Atro on any race not Breton. Lol. You know when you run a damage set along with Bright Throat’s ( and Bright Throat’s becomes a legit SECOND damage set) and you thereby end up with GREAT sustain. When you can use SKILLS more instead of heavies lmao.


Bonafides please...because no offense but your theory crafting is meh.

Huh? What kind of credentials do you think somebody needs before they should be allowed to ask a question?

And, your credentials, please?

More seriously, I don't think anyone is going to go wrong with Bright-Throat. Pair it with Witchmother's Potent Brew for (124+145+315=) +584 to magicka recovery and (2116+1930+2856=) +6902 max magicka. If you can live without the max health from Witchmother's, then Ghastly Eye Bowl will give you (124+145+459=) +728 to magicka recovery and (2116+1930+4592=) +8638 max magicka.

Mixing with Crafty Alfiq will certainly boost max magicka, if that is the goal. Personally, I would mix it with a set that compliments, rather than overlaps. This might be a set that boosts spell power and spell critical (like Julianos, Burning Spellweave, etc) or something that boosts health, if that is a concern.

For most of the content in this game, there is no reason to get picky. There are a ton of set combinations that work in this game, which makes it possible to find a set combination that supports a wide variety of play styles and builds.

Given that Murkmire anniversary is coming up, my thinking is that this is definitely a good time to stock up on Bright-Throat.

thissocalledflower

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

I've tried it, but the stats from BTB aren't good enough to make up for the stat loss of running a drink. None of the drinks are good enough since Witchmother's (et al) got stupidly over-nerfed in a fun-killing nerfathon. In practice, the set will still perform decently, but IMO the alternatives are better. I won't mention the alternatives by name, since they'd probably get the Iceheart treatment. Openly discussing the game on the game's official forums is dangerous when devs are hostile to player interests and openly use the forums to identify and destroy things that players like.

Which is crazy. To think that devs are out to destroy whatever is discussed as being fun..

ArzyeL

Good for PVP Builds

Aznarb

I've use this set in PvE for a while in my healer, pretty good when you start so you can focus on uptime and not worry about sustain. I find the Spring Loaded Infusion work best with it so it allow your healer to have plenty of stam to do mec'.

But I like it more in PvP with a Transmu, pretty good sustain that allow me to spam heal/buff to my allies.

Probably never gonna BIS, but definitely a good set.

doomette

thissocalledflower wrote: »

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

I've tried it, but the stats from BTB aren't good enough to make up for the stat loss of running a drink. None of the drinks are good enough since Witchmother's (et al) got stupidly over-nerfed in a fun-killing nerfathon. In practice, the set will still perform decently, but IMO the alternatives are better. I won't mention the alternatives by name, since they'd probably get the Iceheart treatment. Openly discussing the game on the game's official forums is dangerous when devs are hostile to player interests and openly use the forums to identify and destroy things that players like.

Which is crazy. To think that devs are out to destroy whatever is discussed as being fun..

You know what I find super fun? Ultimate cast times. Stuck in combat bugs. Clunky necro abilities. Nerfed Iceheart. Wood Elves’ super awesome stealth detect passive. So. much. heavy. attacking. All of those are like the funnest things ever.

ArchMikem

brandonv516 wrote: »

BTB and Spring-Loaded Infusion works really well!

That's the drink I went with. Love how it's a Tri-Stat and I have plenty of mats to craft hundreds of em.

JumpmanLane

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

When you run WITCHMOTHER’S and PRISMATIC glyphs for stats and the APPRENTICE instead of Atro on any race not Breton. Lol. You know when you run a damage set along with Bright Throat’s ( and Bright Throat’s becomes a legit SECOND damage set) and you thereby end up with GREAT sustain. When you can use SKILLS more instead of heavies lmao.


Bonafides please...because no offense but your theory crafting is meh.

Huh? What kind of credentials do you think somebody needs before they should be allowed to ask a question?

Well ANYBODY can ask a question...it's the judgey judgments (Bright Throat's seems kind of meh) which leads one to wonder about the person asking the question. If you're new that's one thing. If NOT? Then what are you? Because there ARE new people who read these forums who might be mislead into thinking you're an expert because you compared a few consumables lol.

I mean how long have you been playing not to know BTB is a really solid set, that only someone tweaking a REALLY high end , endgame min/maxed build would consider NOT using. And SUCH a person wouldn't disregard it as MEH.
Bona fides please. Because I can contra-distinguish between a novice and an expert; but, a newer player may not be able to. Not trying to offend just saying.

FrancisCrawford

JumpmanLane wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

When you run WITCHMOTHER’S and PRISMATIC glyphs for stats and the APPRENTICE instead of Atro on any race not Breton. Lol. You know when you run a damage set along with Bright Throat’s ( and Bright Throat’s becomes a legit SECOND damage set) and you thereby end up with GREAT sustain. When you can use SKILLS more instead of heavies lmao.


Bonafides please...because no offense but your theory crafting is meh.

Huh? What kind of credentials do you think somebody needs before they should be allowed to ask a question?

Well ANYBODY can ask a question...it's the judgey judgments (Bright Throat's seems kind of meh) which leads one to wonder about the person asking the question. If you're new that's one thing. If NOT? Then what are you? Because there ARE new people who read these forums who might be mislead into thinking you're an expert because you compared a few consumables lol.

I mean how long have you been playing not to know BTB is a really solid set, that only someone tweaking a REALLY high end , endgame min/maxed build would consider NOT using. And SUCH a person wouldn't disregard it as MEH.
Bona fides please. Because I can contra-distinguish between a novice and an expert; but, a newer player may not be able to. Not trying to offend just saying.

Unfortunately for your discourtesy, most of the people who have posted in this thread have disagreed with the part of your post that I bolded, to the extent that it makes any sense at all. And nobody in this thread, even you, seems to disagree with my initial belief that pairing BTB with a speciality max-stats drink is a questionable choice.

That said, you actually seemed to have a coherent case in mind for drinks and a generally extreme focus on sustain, way back in your first post in the thread, before you turned to the insults. But I don't understand your disdain for Bretons, and I don't like communicating with you well enough to ask you to explain it.

furiouslog

I used BTB for ages until I got my BSW/MS filled out, and then moved on to farming trial gear. I use it for some mag solo builds in PvP too. Great set. It definitely used to be more attractive when Witchmother's was stronger.

Odovacar

Shackle, Bright Throat, witch mothers for my PvP mag sorc is pretty fun. Good mag pool and recovery for longer 1V1's.