Still no news about a class change token or account-wide achievements ?

DuskShard

I'm an ESO player since 2015, did almost all HL achievements on many different characters, both in PvP or PvE.

Not having a class change token / account-wide achievements means we have to stick with a 'main character' to do all achievements on that specific character.
What if you're bored of your class or just want to try a new way of enjoying the content ? You can of course make another character and start again, but it's time-consuming. Not all players have the luxury to do Emperor, Master Angler or Flawless Conqueror on every character because it takes a huge amount of time.

Being able to pay for skill lines when you've done them on another character is great because it gives the players a choice, but why not the rest of the content then ? You unlocked it, you should be able to use it whenever you want. Plus, the ESO HL community often asks for specific classes when doing raids. Many players are forced to level up one toon just to pass one raid or one achievement and it's not even on their favorite character. All that because their favorite character isn't the current meta, or isn't stam/magicka-oriented.

I know those two options might impact the crown store items already available. I'm also aware that class token could lower the number of characters for each player. However it's not the case for account-wide achievements. Plus, people still create new characters because it's fun, they still do the quests of their favorite zones.
At each ESO stream, the crew says 'We would like you to play ESO the way you want'. Well I'm sure old and new players would be glad to have either the ability to change their main character and adapt it to the content, or just being able to unlock an achievement once for every character (doing the achievement again is up to them).

This topic has been discussed many times over the years, but now that ESO gets a new class every 2 years or so, don't you think it's time for this to change ?

Thanks.

taylorwilenskiub17_ESO

Personally, I'd like to see an Alliance Change token. I joined a DC guild but my two mains are EP and it sucks I cant PvP with my guild with them.

IndianaJames7

There is news about class change tokens, they said it was something they are not interested in implementing.

SpacemanSpiff1

did ZOS say that there is news on those coming?

StormeReigns

Not really bothered by no class change tokens. But would like account wide titles and achievements.

Really want certain titles on alts that i have in my main... just dont really want to farm/hunt them down again.

Edziu

yeah, class change token or accountwide achievs, thats I also miss here
I play since beta
I created my main to play and gather everything 3 months later, literally everything froms tore, acheivements etc I was mainly doing only of this character
only yo get bored of playing this only 1, single class for 4 years and so having stuck 28k+ achiev points when morrowind chapter came out to just abandon this character because Im still sick of playing this class

now I play when I want mainly stamplar or stamdk, soemtimes stmanecro...but unfortunatelly I dont play that long anymore this game becasue I lost my interest gaining acheivements here

it took me to get 28k achiev points over 4 years....Im not gonna go repeat it on another char whiel playing also less time overall...this become dead content for me while being completionist type player in every game....so this is the biggest pain for me and I cant do anything with that

I miss hunting acheivements, many have came out also with every newer patch, dlc, chapter....all of this just to be ignored anyway

Blinkin8r

Pretty sure the word on this was, "No." Like a really long time ago and then several times since then.

1mirg

TelvanniWizard

Account-wide achievements would be great!

essi2

Alliance change and class change won't happen.

DuskShard

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Pretty sure the word on this was, "No." Like a really long time ago and then several times since then.

I know they said no multiple times to class tokens. My message was more about account-wide achievements, as this solution has a minimal impact on the store. ZOS needs money to keep the game on track and of course I'm fine with paying for new content or crown store items.

They offered us the choice to pay for skill lines if they have been achieved once. All I want is the same choice for the other achievements.

Edziu

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Pretty sure the word on this was, "No." Like a really long time ago and then several times since then.

same they was saying so many times there will be NO dragons here...yet we got them..so never say never
Im sure there are more things like dragon which ZOS was denying to add them into game but anyway added..

if I could remember this all about ZOS after so long breaks before

virtus753

The class restrictions in top-tier endgame content that you mention are often a result of the lack of balance among classes, and that is something that needs to be addressed. I don’t see it as a compelling reason to create or use a class change token, because that would address the symptom rather than the disease. They do need to acknowledge both, however, and solve the greater underlying issue. Otherwise the class change token itself becomes the meta and a way of avoiding the balance problems through a paid-for mechanism.

As for account-wide achievements, sharing titles and the specific achievements that grant them just doesn’t make sense to me — why would my level 30 alt who’s barely spent 10 minutes in Cyrodiil be able to call himself Emperor if I should ever get it on my main? Anyone with a single former Emperor already has account-wide (technically server-wide) access to the dye and costume that come with that achievement. Same with the personalities, skins, and other collectibles awarded for achievements. Titles, however, seem to me logically restricted to the character in question. To make certain non-title-granting achievements account wide might be very convenient, if more than a bit lore- and immersion-breaking, but it would have to be selective.

I’d also advocate a shared Eidetic Memory — in a world where goats and horses can telepathically report your crimes across Nirn and beyond, why can’t your characters somehow share their knowledge with each other along with their items and bank account? — but the real reason I’d want that is because of the bugs that need to be fixed with it. Like with the class meta issue, they need to fix the problems rather than create a way of circumventing them.

rexagamemnon

There will most likely never be a class change token, id rather have account wide achievments and alliance war ranks personally

idk

I really doubt Zos will ever offer a class change token as it is so easy to level up a new character. Also, I expect there is a business interest in not offering such a token as some players purchase mount training, special mounts for each character and more.

As for account wide achievements, it is beyond me why they do not make that happen. It is pretty simple as it can remain that the title has to be earned by the character yet the achievement can be viewed account wide. Even at that zos could have two columns, one for the character and one for the account.

It would behoove Zos to offer this and it does not take anything away from anyone. Win/win for all players.

JumpmanLane

ZOS said somewhere in the past that your faction is too imbedded in the code to simply change it. So, no faction changes. Account wide achievements should be for certain things but not ALL things.

I wouldn’t be interested in a class change. I main the class I want to main. Any other class would be just taking another class for a spin. I wouldn’t consider it my main.

kargen27

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

Account-wide achievements would be great!

They would actually be detrimental to the long term health of the game. An MMO's success depends on new content and content that exists being repeated. That is why we have RNG in the game and why achievements are not account wide.

Also doesn't make much sense that a character gets credit for something it didn't do. I know the argument is the character couldn't do it without the player so the player not the character should get the achievement. My counter to that is the player couldn't do it without the character so it is proper that the achievement goes to the character used only.

Tandor

Be careful what you wish for. Classes would never be balanced if ZOS could sell you a class change token every time they changed the classes' competitiveness, and believe me with money to be made from it they would change the classes' competitiveness a lot!

I'm all in favour of a display on the character selection screen that shows all the achievements earned on the account and which characters earned them. I'm happy with some new achievements then being offered for account-wide things, but existing character-specific achievements should be kept specific to the characters that earned them. Being able to buy skill points through skyshards in the Crown Store was more than enough of a dumbing down, and it also points the way to how any further concessions would be made available in relation to achievements - through the Crown Store - so again, be careful what you wish for.

fastolfv_ESO

no new because it will never happen

Kittytravel

ZOS has already stated clearly they have no interest in Alliance and Class Change Tokens currently.
The account-wide achievements I haven't seen them give a statement on.

Nirntrotter

I'm also hoping for some changes to how achievements are handled down the line. For most of them it's absolutely irrelevant which class completes them - they could make an account overview and add tags for which character completed that achievement, but have an account wide point pool. I'm currently hunting achievs with a dedicated raid group and they're already talking about potentially changing up characters because some classes are simply subpar for the really hard content - which completely kills the point for me tbh. I'm sitting on more than 32k points with my main for crying out loud! I'm not starting over!

Garpley

I can understand why they don't allow Class change and Faction change, it would just make balance even more difficult!

As for account wide achievements I think it should be done for Quest, Exploration, collection type ones and not for dungeon, PVP, Trial achievements!

Kaartinen

The lack of account wide achievements is what prevents me from being willing to invest time in my other characters.

TheShadowScout

DuskShard wrote: »

Still no news about a class change token or account-wide achievements ?

The news about class-change is that they are not interested.

The news about account wide achievements... is none.
But there are account wide skyshards now - for a price.
And there are account-wide guild lines now - for a price.
And if people keep whining, maybe someday there will be account wide achievements too - for a price. In crowns.

Still sounds like such a good idea, hmmm? Does it? Nah, didn't think so...

Neoealth

taylorwilenskiub17_ESO wrote: »

Personally, I'd like to see an Alliance Change token. I joined a DC guild but my two mains are EP and it sucks I cant PvP with my guild with them.

Why didn't you just join a EP PVP guild?

Tandor

Kaartinen wrote: »

The lack of account wide achievements is what prevents me from being willing to invest time in my other characters.

The transfer of achievements to all my characters whether earned or not is what would prevent me being willing to invest time in my other characters.

What would be the point of my playing those characters through the game if they were already credited with having done it all the moment they were created?

Your position represents primarily those who roll extra characters in order to give different options in "endgame", which they wish to rush those characters to as quickly and effortlessly as possible, while my position primarily represents those who roll extra characters in order to play the game fully with them over a period of time and with full commitment to all their characters equally and individually. I honestly think that ZOS have done a good job of balancing both our positions so that there are some things that are account-wide such as collections, champion points and now skill points through the crown store, as well as with some things that are character-specific like most achievements. It's a fair compromise at present in my view and doesn't need changing.

Nic727

Why not just remove class and make us play how we want without being restricted? Just release all skills for everyone.

CassandraGemini

Nic727 wrote: »

Why not just remove class and make us play how we want without being restricted? Just release all skills for everyone.

... What? Are you serious? That would be the single most boring thing I could think of! Everyone basically wants classes to feel more unique and you're suggesting something that would lead to everyone being just the same. No, thanks.

Elsonso

Tandor wrote: »

Kaartinen wrote: »

The lack of account wide achievements is what prevents me from being willing to invest time in my other characters.

The transfer of achievements to all my characters whether earned or not is what would prevent me being willing to invest time in my other characters.

What would be the point of my playing those characters through the game if they were already credited with having done it all the moment they were created?

This. Account wide achievements would remove the reason I continue to play and work to develop characters. It is too easy to level in this game, and with CP shared across characters, alt quests and achievements is the main thing I am doing.

Edziu wrote: »

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Pretty sure the word on this was, "No." Like a really long time ago and then several times since then.

same they was saying so many times there will be NO dragons here...yet we got them..so never say never

Actually, I am not certain that they said NO to Dragons. I think they just did the "we have no plans". That is pretty much a "maybe" from ZOS. They have actually said NO to things like Global Auction House, and I am pretty sure Class Change, and may have included Alliance Change. The list is very short.

Edziu

kargen27 wrote: »

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

Account-wide achievements would be great!

They would actually be detrimental to the long term health of the game. An MMO's success depends on new content and content that exists being repeated. That is why we have RNG in the game and why achievements are not account wide.

Also doesn't make much sense that a character gets credit for something it didn't do. I know the argument is the character couldn't do it without the player so the player not the character should get the achievement. My counter to that is the player couldn't do it without the character so it is proper that the achievement goes to the character used only.

ohh please
I still remember how some time ago guy playing since beta was posting he finally acheivem literally every acheivement on hsi char...wait for it......after 5 years of playing!

sorry but as how many achievements we have avaible to complete,,,,and with every 3 months we have patch with more achievs....I will just say I just dont have point investing anything into my characters besides being in playable state for endgame, for rest I dont care because Im not going to repeat every of earned before acheivements on another and another char etc...
just what @Kaartinen wrote

Kaartinen wrote: »

The lack of account wide achievements is what prevents me from being willing to invest time in my other characters.

Edziu

Tandor wrote: »

Kaartinen wrote: »

The lack of account wide achievements is what prevents me from being willing to invest time in my other characters.

The transfer of achievements to all my characters whether earned or not is what would prevent me being willing to invest time in my other characters.

What would be the point of my playing those characters through the game if they were already credited with having done it all the moment they were created?

Your position represents primarily those who roll extra characters in order to give different options in "endgame", which they wish to rush those characters to as quickly and effortlessly as possible, while my position primarily represents those who roll extra characters in order to play the game fully with them over a period of time and with full commitment to all their characters equally and individually. I honestly think that ZOS have done a good job of balancing both our positions so that there are some things that are account-wide such as collections, champion points and now skill points through the crown store, as well as with some things that are character-specific like most achievements. It's a fair compromise at present in my view and doesn't need changing.

for some like you this owuld break your fun from playing different characters..yes we got it long ago..so that why everytime we wanted an compromise with toggle option for this or option to ch=oose while creating new character or something so people who wan it finally could get it and people whot dont want it...they even dont need to care about this after all

and what you write about position of creating characters for meta to dof aster endgame with meta etc....I can say most people rushing content with meta dont care at all about acheivements, they care only about content to farm, grind, get done

many players like I just want an diversity from playing for so long single class
how many times I was writing it...idk now,,,but I will write it again
playeed since beta, only on my main NB...after 4 years of playing while having 28k+ achievs points I gave up because of got bored of playing only nb and so acheiving everything only ont his...now I play depending on my humor on templar, dk or necro not even in meta gear....just with it which I want to have more fun but still I doesnt want to touch NB to play..and so my progress of completionist player for 4 years of often playing got wasted to character which I dont wanna touch because if its class of which Im still sick

and so again..whiel being completionist player and playing for fun with what I wanted....when achievs to get them all was my main target in this game...I needed to stopped care about them because there is to much to get again on new character and so Im not investing anymore so much time for my character to play and I dont invest so much time in playing this game like before becasue I have no interest for it