For all you zergers

TRVP

Honesty why do you all stay on ur mounts when ur caught without the 24 man group you run in? No shade, just curious

JimmyJuJu

In ESO, a 24-person raid is a large group but in specific military terms it's more of a platoon (which is a relatively small group). I think the original hope for Cyrodill was to have hundreds of combatants in the same fight at any given time. Unfortunately, the legacy framework on which the game is built really can't handle it. So - we are relegated to "zergs" of no more than 24 players.

Midyear mayhem in my mind is probably the closest we will ever see to the original vision of Cyrodiil. It was a lot of fun this year and I really wish we could have larger organized group sizes of 50-100 in addition to the smaller platoons and squads doing more specific, specialized missions (like capturing resources deep behind enemy lines).

I'm sure many will disagree with the large raid sizes but I do think that was the original intent for AvA.

VaranisArano

TRVP wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

TRVP wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

A. No offense, but you aren't worth as much AP as the objective I'm heading for and you have much, much less impact on the campaign score. If you don't knock me off my horse, there's no reason for me to stop to fight you.

B. Random players in the middle of nowhere are like Schroedinger's Duelist.
You might be a stand-up player just ready for a good, honorable duel.
You might be a cloak, run, and hide NB who's going to be a waste of time if the fight turns against you.
You might be the bait in an ambush.
You might be so tanky that the battle stalemates into pointlessness.
The player doesn't know unless they get off their mount and fight.

Really, the question is "Why would a player who isn't looking for 1v1 stop what they were doing to fight a random player?"

The player might want to stop to heal before they die to dots🤷‍♂️ Idk though

Why?

Stopping to heal means dismounting myself when you haven't dealt enough damage to knock me off my mount. Better to just keep moving towards my objective and get out of range. If you can't deal enough damage to dismount me, I'm not worried about dying.

"Oh, but you'll die to my DOTs if you don't dismount and heal!"
Then you are a lot better at putting DOTs on fast-moving riders than the vast majority of players who try to hit me while I'm riding to an objective. Weren't you complaining above that its impossible to dismount players with your SnB/2H build?

I play multiple builds/classes. For example if I was on my mag sorc. I’ll just curse, endless fury, frag someone on a mount, most of the time it will kill them, but sometimes they’ll have like 3/4K health still with curse on them and just not dismount to heal

Even there, what's the point of dismounting to heal?
You really think a player who's like "whelp, I'm gonna die to DOTs" ought to dismount to heal knowing that they'll have to fight the player who just effectively killed them while riding by?
Why wouldn't they just die, rez up, and ride back to the objective a slightly different way to avoid you? In that case, they absolutely know there's no real reward to stopping to fight you. Dismounting to heal would just be extending the inevitable and increasing the time it takes to get to the objective they want to get to.

Earlier you asked "Wouldn't it be quicker to stop and kill the player who's in your way then go on to your objective?"

Honestly? No, its almost never quicker unless that player in your way sucks. Especially when you factor in the Schroedinger's Duelist and the "stuck in combat" bug that might prevent someone from remounting even after they've killed you.


Edit: Since this just got moved to the top of the thread, I'd like to clarify that Schroedinger's Duelist refers to the idea that you can't tell if someone is interested in a straight up duel or various time-wasting shenanigans unless you dismount to fight them.

wolfie1.0.

TRVP wrote: »

Honesty why do you all stay on ur mounts when ur caught without the 24 man group you run in? No shade, just curious

"Not all who wander are lost" - Tolkien

SidraWillowsky

If I told you, it might reveal my secrets.

TRVP

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

If I told you, it might reveal my secrets.

Please share ur secrets x

Nomadic_Atmoran

Im not trying to insult you but heres an insult anyway.

L_Nici

Well to fight a battle you can't win, would be pretty dumb. I also know which people I can take on and which I can't, if I stand solo against a Magplar with Sword and Board with my Stamplar in heavy armor, I don't even try to fight, would be pointless, neither of us could take down the other in a 1v1 situation.

TRVP

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Im not trying to insult you but heres an insult anyway.

Where’s the insult?

CASP3R421

imagine if you will, the year is 2020, you have made a handful or friends, you coordinate your builds, you run as a small group, you are called a zerg by a salty dude who saw a 1vX vid on the youtubes. end scene.

TRVP

CASP3R421 wrote: »

imagine if you will, the year is 2020, you have made a handful or friends, you coordinate your builds, you run as a small group, you are called a zerg by a salty dude who saw a 1vX vid on the youtubes. end scene.

A 24 man isn’t a small group chief

CASP3R421

TRVP wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

imagine if you will, the year is 2020, you have made a handful or friends, you coordinate your builds, you run as a small group, you are called a zerg by a salty dude who saw a 1vX vid on the youtubes. end scene.

A 24 man isn’t a small group chief

you clearly dont play in kaal

TRVP

CASP3R421 wrote: »

TRVP wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

imagine if you will, the year is 2020, you have made a handful or friends, you coordinate your builds, you run as a small group, you are called a zerg by a salty dude who saw a 1vX vid on the youtubes. end scene.

A 24 man isn’t a small group chief

you clearly dont play in kaal

A small group is 5/6 which I sometimes play in, I only asked why do people stay on their mounts instead of trying to fight?

idk

TRVP wrote: »

Honesty why do you all stay on ur mounts when ur caught without the 24 man group you run in? No shade, just curious

[snip]

While I do not run with large groups, if I am on my way somewhere and you attack me and fail to dismount me that is no you. I am not the one that is upset about it.

[Edit for bait.]

CASP3R421

cyrodil isnt a traditional deathmatch. sometimes its a much smarter play not to chase and fight small scale off objective. sometimes people are shook. a good example would be my vicious death toon, i try to avoid 1v1 on that one because my build is designed as anti zerg

CASP3R421

small scale deathmatch style pvp is more of an imperial city thing in my experience (or just queue for BGs)

CASP3R421

also not sure what camp you play on for cyro, but in kaal you get some BIG fights, where 6 people are just gonna get ate by a faction stack

SidraWillowsky

TRVP wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

imagine if you will, the year is 2020, you have made a handful or friends, you coordinate your builds, you run as a small group, you are called a zerg by a salty dude who saw a 1vX vid on the youtubes. end scene.

A 24 man isn’t a small group chief

I just have a lot of friends ok

CASP3R421

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

TRVP wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

imagine if you will, the year is 2020, you have made a handful or friends, you coordinate your builds, you run as a small group, you are called a zerg by a salty dude who saw a 1vX vid on the youtubes. end scene.

A 24 man isn’t a small group chief

I just have a lot of friends ok

one full raid is not big numbers in real cyro

idk about the empty servers people hide in tho

ArenGesus

Because I'd be stuck in combat for an hour after killing you and not be able to use my mount at all. You just aren't worth the hassle.

Ranger209

Most likely have bigger fish to fry than amusing someone flinging arrows at riders by. The group is probably on their way to a keep or some other objective and are focusing on that. At that point you are just a distraction they ignore.

TRVP

CASP3R421 wrote: »

also not sure what camp you play on for cyro, but in kaal you get some BIG fights, where 6 people are just gonna get ate by a faction stack

I play in kaal the only populated camp on Xbox Eu🤷‍♂️

Oberon45

Because not everyone in Cyro wants to dismount and play a 10 minute game of ring around the rock against someone who is likely specifically built for that game.

TRVP

Ranger209 wrote: »

Most likely have bigger fish to fry than amusing someone flinging arrows at riders by. The group is probably on their way to a keep or some other objective and are focusing on that. At that point you are just a distraction they ignore.

What about when ur attacking them and they don’t dismount even to heal🤷‍♂️ Meaning they’ll have to run back from whatever outpost/keep they’ve just tried to run from

Katahdin

Because the fight at [X] keep is more important for my faction than your "HURR-DURR WaNA DuEL mE BrO?"

I'm farming AP and I get more from keep/resource fights than I do from 1v1

Or (more likely)
I'm being yelled at for not being on crown

Michaelkeir

I don't stay on my horse. If I see someone I hop off my mount and stealth out. Check their health and then if possible proceed to gank them. If they are tuff cookies then I call two other ganking buddies of mine and we proceed to time our assault to bring them down. Good times.

JimmyJuJu

Oberon45 wrote: »

Because not everyone in Cyro wants to dismount and play a 10 minute game of ring around the rock against someone who is likely specifically built for that game.

Ah yes, ring around the rock (and tower rat rumba). The secret sauce of all the "best fight" clips.

CASP3R421

honestly if a ganker needs people to "stop" to fight them they just sound like a bad ganker

Beaverton

TRVP wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

wHy WOnT gRoUP pLAyERs DUeL mY 1vX tHo?

Do you make a build to Zerg?

Yes. No single target abilities. No DOTs. Fighting other large groups is about coordinated AOE burst damage and mobility.

I use different skills and pick very different targets when I occasionally run solo.

TRVP

oxygen_thief wrote: »

TRVP wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

TRVP wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

imagine if you will, the year is 2020, you have made a handful or friends, you coordinate your builds, you run as a small group, you are called a zerg by a salty dude who saw a 1vX vid on the youtubes. end scene.

A 24 man isn’t a small group chief

you clearly dont play in kaal

A small group is 5/6 which I sometimes play in, I only asked why do people stay on their mounts instead of trying to fight?

bla bla bla the majority of so called small groups sits on resources and farms lonely people till zerg comes to punish them.

[snip]



So to sum it all up, you stay on ur mount refusing to heal or engage in combat to get to the next keep quicker? Wouldn’t it be quicker to simply dismount, kill whoever is attacking you then proceed to pvdoor?

[Edit for bait.]

TRVP

Beaverton wrote: »

TRVP wrote: »

CASP3R421 wrote: »

wHy WOnT gRoUP pLAyERs DUeL mY 1vX tHo?

Do you make a build to Zerg?

Yes. No single target abilities. No DOTs. Fighting other large groups is about coordinated AOE burst damage and mobility.

I use different skills and pick very different targets when I occasionally run solo.

I’m not even sure how to reply to you

idk

CASP3R421 wrote: »

honestly if a ganker needs people to "stop" to fight them they just sound like a bad ganker

My thought is who complains in the forum that they were unable to dismount a player? That issue is on the attacker.