What are your hopes for the new Vampire Lord Ultimate coming with the Greymoor Update?

Thevampirenight · February 2020

For those unaware of this or have not heard. This year they are doing a complete rework of the vampire. I won't go into the rework itself with this thread. As this is about the Vampire Lord. For those that have not played Tes5 Skyrim and its Dawnguard dlc. Here is pictures of the Vampire lord so you can see what it looks like.

Vampire lord is a special transformation those with higher purity in their blood lines like the Volkihar can take. I'm not sure how many generations removed would still allow access to the form . Only ones that could take the form In Tes 5 was the Last Dragon Born and Lord Harkon but I think the other vampires could do it like the ones in Lord Harkons Court but they didn't program it in for them so only Harkon and your character can be seen as such. I don't think Serana even had the ability to do it in the game files but for sure she would be able to do it going by the Lore. Before this update and what they mentioned in the Live Stream that announced it. It was thought by many including myself that it was unique to the Volkihar clan but clearly it isn't the case now that its being added to the Lamae Bloodline.

The Vampire Lord form Ultimate won't be called Vampire Lord but that is what it is. The name they are using for the Player Variant is called Blood Scion. I think one of the reasons might be because of the species of vampire we are and being refered to as a Scion. Another term for it would be a Scion of Lamae. Which might be the biggest reason for the Ultimate name plus they are using Vampire lord as a name for a Set already in the game could be another reason for the name. But one thing is for sure it is a Vampire Lord Transformation we will be getting.

Its a big thing they are adding this to the game because clearly someone liked them enough to rework the entire skill line of vampire and replace the Ultimate with it. So what are your thoughts?
My Thoughts and hopes for it personally Is that they will have better looking wings at least that look far more bat like like these images of a modded vampire lord from Skryim I found on Google Images. Hopefully the form doesn't have a timer because the Skyrim Version did not have that but given its an mmo I think they might do something like that with it.

So what are your hopes for the Bloodscion/Vampire Lord Form? Are you guys excited for it?

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2020

> The Vampire Lord form Ultimate won't be called Vampire Lord but that is what it is.

And how sure about that are you, do you think Sheogorath is a Human as well just because he looks like one? the Blood-Scion is probably the Vampire equivalent of the Sable Man-Beast that Werewolves have which is slightly different to the Werewolf Lord form, either way the Vestige should not get this power, they are a big enough Mary-Sue as it is without having another protagonists method of immortality.

Thevampirenight · February 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

> The Vampire Lord form Ultimate won't be called Vampire Lord but that is what it is.

And how sure about that are you, do you think Sheogorath is a Human as well just because he looks like one? the Blood-Scion is probably the Vampire equivalent of the Sable Man-Beast that Werewolves have which is slightly different to the Werewolf Lord form.

100% it came from the devs own mouths. They said its what they are refering to as a blood scion a vampire lord. And it was confirmed it is the Ultimate. So yes its not going to be like stable Manbeast it really is the vampire lord. So Vampire Lords really are coming to Eso.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5cqK8uCNd4
This person has clips from the Zos live stream. It is mentioned 4 minutes 18 to 33 seconds in the vid. They confirm the name of the ultimate blood scion, that it is the vampire lord and also that its the ultimate.

Also the Dragonborn could be a vampire lord but it was optional could even be a vampire without the vampire lord form. We will likely never know canonically if he/she did become one. Because there is one possibility of having Serana cured and being forever prevented from getting it if you sided with the dawnguard.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

> The Vampire Lord form Ultimate won't be called Vampire Lord but that is what it is.

And how sure about that are you, do you think Sheogorath is a Human as well just because he looks like one? the Blood-Scion is probably the Vampire equivalent of the Sable Man-Beast that Werewolves have which is slightly different to the Werewolf Lord form.

100% it came from the devs own mouths. They said its what they are refering to as a blood scion a vampire lord. And it was confirmed it is the Ultimate. So yes its not going to be like stable Manbeast it really is the vampire lord. So Vampire Lords really are coming to Eso.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5cqK8uCNd4
This person has clips from the Zos live stream. It is mentioned 4 minutes 18 to 33 seconds in the vid. They confirm the name, that it is the vampire lord and also its the ultimate.

Let me ask your a question, are you one of those people who believe everything that appears ingame should be considered Canon? like books which have not been written yet like the Lusty Argonian Maid whose author we meet in Morrowind? or the fact Cropsford exists here despite it being founded by the Champion of Cyrodiil and named by the settlers in Oblivion? what about the countless strange mounts people buy from the crown store like flaming dwarven-mech spiders or Mini-Dragons?

What about the people who become Vampires using the Crown Store Vampire Bite? that completely skips the vampire quest and because of that they are not tied to Lamae Bal and yet they can still use this form? are you going to state that because it is a crown store item it can be ignored? but what about the mounts? are they to be ignored as well given they came from the same place? if not then why would you ignore the Lamae Bal free method these people use to become Vampires? it seems obvious the Vampire system is supposed to represent Vampires as a whole as opposed to just a single clan which is probably why all the Vampires in this game are the same, even those that we know have nothing to do with Lamae Bal like the Berne Vampires or Verandis Ravenwatch who is a Pureblooded Vampire himself.

Thevampirenight · February 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

> The Vampire Lord form Ultimate won't be called Vampire Lord but that is what it is.

And how sure about that are you, do you think Sheogorath is a Human as well just because he looks like one? the Blood-Scion is probably the Vampire equivalent of the Sable Man-Beast that Werewolves have which is slightly different to the Werewolf Lord form.

100% it came from the devs own mouths. They said its what they are refering to as a blood scion a vampire lord. And it was confirmed it is the Ultimate. So yes its not going to be like stable Manbeast it really is the vampire lord. So Vampire Lords really are coming to Eso.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5cqK8uCNd4
This person has clips from the Zos live stream. It is mentioned 4 minutes 18 to 33 seconds in the vid. They confirm the name, that it is the vampire lord and also its the ultimate.

Let me ask your a question, are you one of those people who believe everything that appears ingame is Canon? like books which have not been written yet like the Lusty Argonian Maid whose author we meet in Morrowind? or the fact Cropsford exists here despite it being founded by the Champion of Cyrodiil and named by the settlers in Oblivion?

Well there are some things like in eso like the vampire cure and werewolf cure I can't take seriously because of well how easy it is. That would be an exception to me not considering that to be canon. . Bethesda does say Eso is canon so it is canon. So an early reincarnation of Cropsford is canon and things have the tendency to repeat themselves as can be seen.
Like the destruction of Orsinium every era. So Cropsford can be a repeating cycle of built and destroyed so it might be like Orsinium and somehow gets rebuilt and renamed the same even though people that might name the town might not know the previous history. That is how I would see Cropsford.

They do have an explanation for the books in might come from a library that pulls books from the future and as for the Lusty Argonian Maid it was a story told by oral tradition in the case of the Argonian maid. So the idea is well they can explain it. Even if it modify and retcon things.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

> The Vampire Lord form Ultimate won't be called Vampire Lord but that is what it is.

And how sure about that are you, do you think Sheogorath is a Human as well just because he looks like one? the Blood-Scion is probably the Vampire equivalent of the Sable Man-Beast that Werewolves have which is slightly different to the Werewolf Lord form.

100% it came from the devs own mouths. They said its what they are refering to as a blood scion a vampire lord. And it was confirmed it is the Ultimate. So yes its not going to be like stable Manbeast it really is the vampire lord. So Vampire Lords really are coming to Eso.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5cqK8uCNd4
This person has clips from the Zos live stream. It is mentioned 4 minutes 18 to 33 seconds in the vid. They confirm the name, that it is the vampire lord and also its the ultimate.

Let me ask your a question, are you one of those people who believe everything that appears ingame is Canon? like books which have not been written yet like the Lusty Argonian Maid whose author we meet in Morrowind? or the fact Cropsford exists here despite it being founded by the Champion of Cyrodiil and named by the settlers in Oblivion?

Well there are some things like in eso like the vampire cure and werewolf cure I can't take seriously because of well how easy it is. That would be an exception to me not considering that to be canon. . Bethesda does say Eso is canon so it is canon. So an early reincarnation of Cropsford is canon and things have the tendency to repeat themselves as can be seen. Like the destruction of Orsinium every era.. So Cropsford can be a repeating cycle of built and destroyed so it might be like Orsinium.

They do have an explanation for the books that they might come from a library that pulls books from the future or something. So the idea is well they can explain it.

[Snip]

And sure I do accept ESO as Canon, there is no argument there but the minor details are what should be considered nothing more then game mechanics like every Vampire looking the same or having the same power set, in the lore they likely looked very different just like this transformation, for one I doubt the Vestige shopped at the same clothing store as Lord Harkon if you know what I am referring to.

Also onto another point about our discussion earlier which I don't think you quite understood regarding Lamae Bal, she was the first Vampire yes but the Volkihar is a different "Species" of Vampire created by Molag Bal with a completely different appearance and power-set, the term Vampire is a not a single creature but an umbrella term that several different blood-drinking undead fall under.

It is just like how Lycanthrope is an umbrella term with several different types of were-creatures existing under it, The Werebear is a different species of Lycanthrope to a Werewolf, would you believe Vykosa could assume the Werebear Lord form even though she is not a Werebear? just because he was the first Werewolf what reason would she have to be stronger then say the first Werecrocodile or the first Werebear? same logic applies to Lamae Bal.

Just like how a Werewolf Lord would look different to a Werebear Lord so should the Volkihar Vampire Lord form look different to whatever Lamae Bal can turn into, hell even in their normal state her Vampires looked vastly different to the Volkihar Vampires so why would they suddenly end up looking the same when they transform? there is no logic there, [snip].

Do you understand what I mean?

[Edited for rude commentary]

Sephyr · February 2020

For me it's less about the looks/lore (the lore's reasonable enough for me) and more about the gameplay. My hope is that the ultimate has a reasonable uptime similar to werewolf along with the ability to keep it going so long as you're able to feed; just like werewolf. The other part is that I hope that they don't go with the floating/walking modes of movement. Either one or the other because I can see that getting super clunky in ESO.

My other hope is that this form doesn't cast a shadow on Lycanthropy as I'd really love it if we had SOMETHING that was a level playing field to give players more of an option. How exactly, I don't know until the actual overhauled line comes out. Definitely excited!

Darkstorne · February 2020

This turned into lore/canon discussion fast lol

Up to each of you how much of ESO you interpret as canon. Certainly the key events are canon, but for sure, there are a lot of gameplay reasons and game design reasons for assuming some things are not so much. Like how easy it is cure to vampirism/lycanthropy as Thevampirenight said, and the repetition of architecture in zones like High Rock and Summerset where every city looks like it was built by the same person at exactly the same point in time, or the world map leaving no space for Blacklight - one of Morrowind's biggest cities (whoopsie

). So I wouldn't get too caught up in lore analysis of vampire gameplay mechanics

Personally, I loved the aesthetic of the bat swarm ultimate, and have always hated the aesthetic of Skyrim's vampire lord (always sided with Dawnguard for that reason - vampire lord doesn't appeal to me). So my hopes are that bat swarm is reworked into a standard vampire skill, and I can happily play as a non-vampire lord without feeling like I've lost that visual identity. Plenty of other ults I can slot in its place

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2020

I just hope they do not get rid of Dark Stalker

You know the reason most people are Vampires in the first place.

Deathlord92 · February 2020

My hopes no timer and the vampire and vampire lord have a balance of stamina and magic abilities. I play stamblade and I love playing a vampire I have in previous tes games always played a vampire assassin

Deathlord92 · February 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I just hope they do not get rid of Dark Stalker

You know the reason most people are Vampires in the first place.

Well they said feeding makes you strong now and one of the biggest complaints was only ignoring movement speed penalty at stage 4 vampire so fingers crossed

Sephyr · February 2020

Darkstorne wrote: »

This turned into lore/canon discussion fast lol

Up to each of you how much of ESO you interpret as canon. Certainly the key events are canon, but for sure, there are a lot of gameplay reasons and game design reasons for assuming some things are not so much. Like how easy it is cure to vampirism/lycanthropy as Thevampirenight said, and the repetition of architecture in zones like High Rock and Summerset where every city looks like it was built by the same person at exactly the same point in time, or the world map leaving no space for Blacklight - one of Morrowind's biggest cities (whoopsie ). So I wouldn't get too caught up in lore analysis of vampire gameplay mechanics

Personally, I loved the aesthetic of the bat swarm ultimate, and have always hated the aesthetic of Skyrim's vampire lord (always sided with Dawnguard for that reason - vampire lord doesn't appeal to me). So my hopes are that bat swarm is reworked into a standard vampire skill, and I can happily play as a non-vampire lord without feeling like I've lost that visual identity. Plenty of other ults I can slot in its place

I'm not sure if they're going to being that their wording was really direct in terms of what the looks of some of these new abilities would be. They specifically used the words 'visceral' and 'engaging' (which kind of sounds like it's going to be more physical, but time will tell), so it's hard to tell if that theme is going to stay. That being said, I do hope that they do allow some level of choice on whether or not to actively play as one--as in not having to slot the ult. Hopefully we get more news soon!

Thevampirenight · February 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I just hope they do not get rid of Dark Stalker

You know the reason most people are Vampires in the first place.

They said they are not removing Undeath. Only differance is you will have to feed in order to keep it up though.

Darkstorne wrote: »

This turned into lore/canon discussion fast lol

Up to each of you how much of ESO you interpret as canon. Certainly the key events are canon, but for sure, there are a lot of gameplay reasons and game design reasons for assuming some things are not so much. Like how easy it is cure to vampirism/lycanthropy as Thevampirenight said, and the repetition of architecture in zones like High Rock and Summerset where every city looks like it was built by the same person at exactly the same point in time, or the world map leaving no space for Blacklight - one of Morrowind's biggest cities (whoopsie ). So I wouldn't get too caught up in lore analysis of vampire gameplay mechanics

Personally, I loved the aesthetic of the bat swarm ultimate, and have always hated the aesthetic of Skyrim's vampire lord (always sided with Dawnguard for that reason - vampire lord doesn't appeal to me). So my hopes are that bat swarm is reworked into a standard vampire skill, and I can happily play as a non-vampire lord without feeling like I've lost that visual identity. Plenty of other ults I can slot in its place

Yeah they did explain the lore being sound. Lemon Turtle said this. Mother Lamae Kinda the Mother of Vampires is able to manifest her powers in a lot of different ways. Basically saying since you get your vampirism directly from her you are able to take on that form. That is how they are justifying giving us the form. Saying the lore is sound. Don't worry about it we got this.

What they meant was that because she is the Mother of Vampires she is able to grant you not only that form but also she could grant possibly any kind of vampiric ability at her choosing. Which means they are going by her being kinda the mother of vampires as the reason why she is able to grant the vampire lord form.

As for the Bat swarm I do hope they are reworking bat swarm into an ability. It will likely either be an ability or they might rework it into the vampire lord form. So you have to be in vampire lord form to use it. I can see them going both ways with that.
We won't know more till they go into details or release the pts for greymoor. Which I don't think will happen to at least April.

Sephyr · February 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I just hope they do not get rid of Dark Stalker

You know the reason most people are Vampires in the first place.

They said they are not removing Undeath. Only differance is you will have to feed in order to keep it up though.

One minor thing here though;

Undeath isn't what TX is referring to. They mistakenly said Undeath while referencing Supernatural Recovery as well as the Dark Stalker passive in a rather nonchalant quick over-summary of what they might be keeping. Undeath makes it where you're harder to kill under a certain amount of health. Supernatural Recovery is resource regen. Dark Stalker is the stealth passive.

Edziu · February 2020

for me?
it is like reheating already ate content fom which are left only crumbs and still they are trying to reheat them and give again to full playerbase in ESO because of so loud SKYRIM FANBOYS who wanted ESO singce beggining as SKYRIM online

I didnt like morrowind chapter becasue of sick balance changes, world of it was nice for me
summerset for me was fine...more I didnt wanted it because of my lore reasons...but after all it was fine
and now what we get? SKYRIM 2!!!!! yeah because we didnt play SKYRIM to much and now we are gonna get it AGAIN
nty, looks like most boring content ever in ESO for me, this even disgusted me even more SKYRIM itself as I dont even wanna to look at it, at this title anywhere, from fine game it become for me worst game ever because of this loud stupidness of skyrim fanboys in ESO

Anumaril · February 2020

I was pretty disappointed that the ultimate/ability was not going to be a toggle. What I loved about VL form in Skyrim was that once I was in the form I did not need to leave it unless I chose to. If I needed to go near civilisation I left the VL form and did what I needed to, etc.
So that's pretty much my only complaint about it, other than that I'm glad to see VL form make an appearance in ESO, even if it's under the guise of "Blood Scion". Honestly I couldn't care less about the name, I just want the appearance and the toggle functionality (which in so doing also gives me the vampire fantasy).

Thevampirenight · February 2020

Edziu wrote: »

for me?
it is like reheating already ate content fom which are left only crumbs and still they are trying to reheat them and give again to full playerbase in ESO because of so loud SKYRIM FANBOYS who wanted ESO singce beggining as SKYRIM online

I didnt like morrowind chapter becasue of sick balance changes, world of it was nice for me
summerset for me was fine...more I didnt wanted it because of my lore reasons...but after all it was fine
and now what we get? SKYRIM 2!!!!! yeah because we didnt play SKYRIM to much and now we are gonna get it AGAIN
nty, looks like most boring content ever in ESO for me, this even disgusted me even more SKYRIM itself as I dont even wanna to look at it, at this title anywhere, from fine game it become for me worst game ever because of this loud stupidness of skyrim fanboys in ESO

Well they have some of Skyrim in Eso already. They did say they are doing their own thing with the Western Portion so it will be different. We are going to see an area of Blackreach that we couldn't see in Skyrim. So that is something to look forward too.

Sephyr · February 2020

I'm really not seeing this as Skyrim 2 either. Honestly, I'm hoping they kind of make it a decent thousand-year prequel. But more on the topic of a toggle;

I'd agree if it wasn't for the fact that I really love to cater toward balance. While it was that way in Skyrim, it was just that; a single player setting where balance against other players didn't matter. Where as here, I can see this shafting werewolves--especially if there's some kind of bonus to stam when they JUST got a somewhat decent overhaul themselves (keyword somewhat, it's far from perfect).

However I do believe that some form of quick-toggle if you have to quickly revert the form is definitely needed. Same goes for werewolf.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · February 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I just hope they do not get rid of Dark Stalker

You know the reason most people are Vampires in the first place.

They said they are not removing Undeath. Only differance is you will have to feed in order to keep it up though.

Darkstorne wrote: »

This turned into lore/canon discussion fast lol

Up to each of you how much of ESO you interpret as canon. Certainly the key events are canon, but for sure, there are a lot of gameplay reasons and game design reasons for assuming some things are not so much. Like how easy it is cure to vampirism/lycanthropy as Thevampirenight said, and the repetition of architecture in zones like High Rock and Summerset where every city looks like it was built by the same person at exactly the same point in time, or the world map leaving no space for Blacklight - one of Morrowind's biggest cities (whoopsie ). So I wouldn't get too caught up in lore analysis of vampire gameplay mechanics

Personally, I loved the aesthetic of the bat swarm ultimate, and have always hated the aesthetic of Skyrim's vampire lord (always sided with Dawnguard for that reason - vampire lord doesn't appeal to me). So my hopes are that bat swarm is reworked into a standard vampire skill, and I can happily play as a non-vampire lord without feeling like I've lost that visual identity. Plenty of other ults I can slot in its place

Yeah they did explain the lore being sound. Lemon Turtle said this. Mother Lamae Kinda the Mother of Vampires is able to manifest her powers in a lot of different ways. Basically saying since you get your vampirism directly from her you are able to take on that form. That is how they are justifying giving us the form. Saying the lore is sound. Don't worry about it we got this.

What they meant was that because she is the Mother of Vampires she is able to grant you not only that form but also she could grant possibly any kind of vampiric ability at her choosing. Which means they are going by her being kinda the mother of vampires as the reason why she is able to grant the vampire lord form.

As for the Bat swarm I do hope they are reworking bat swarm into an ability. It will likely either be an ability or they might rework it into the vampire lord form. So you have to be in vampire lord form to use it. I can see them going both ways with that.
We won't know more till they go into details or release the pts for greymoor. Which I don't think will happen to at least April.

Honestly that sounds to me like someone heard that Lamae Bal was the original Vampire so they assumed all Vampires must come from her and completely forgot Harkon is also an Original Vampire and not descended from her bloodline, as I said in an above post a Werecroc shall not transform into a Werewolf Lord, why should a Beolfag Vampire transform into a Volkihar Vampire Lord? a different species of Vampire not related to each-other in anyway?

It would be better if they just got rid of her and the intro quest entirely, same for the Werewolves, it prevents you from Role-Playing as any Bloodline of Vampire in a game where hundreds of different Bloodlines should exist.

Edziu · February 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

for me?
it is like reheating already ate content fom which are left only crumbs and still they are trying to reheat them and give again to full playerbase in ESO because of so loud SKYRIM FANBOYS who wanted ESO singce beggining as SKYRIM online

I didnt like morrowind chapter becasue of sick balance changes, world of it was nice for me
summerset for me was fine...more I didnt wanted it because of my lore reasons...but after all it was fine
and now what we get? SKYRIM 2!!!!! yeah because we didnt play SKYRIM to much and now we are gonna get it AGAIN
nty, looks like most boring content ever in ESO for me, this even disgusted me even more SKYRIM itself as I dont even wanna to look at it, at this title anywhere, from fine game it become for me worst game ever because of this loud stupidness of skyrim fanboys in ESO

Well they have some of Skyrim in Eso already. They did say they are doing their own thing with it. So it will be different. We are going to see an area of Blackreach that we couldn't see in Skyrim. So that is something to look forward too.

I know we ahve some, it was fine for me to have, it as as normal zone like every other normal zone
what I mean we could get newest map we didnt had before like summerset, but in different region, yet we got literally same region which was played so many times by also same people so so many times and we have got it again but now in different game for what? idk, more I see because of these skyrim fanboys

all I see something interessing here, it could be this Blackreach but rest of skyrims..it is like reheating crumbs as I wrote, along with vampire lord :d

Thevampirenight · February 2020

Sephyr wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I just hope they do not get rid of Dark Stalker

You know the reason most people are Vampires in the first place.

They said they are not removing Undeath. Only differance is you will have to feed in order to keep it up though.

One minor thing here though;

Undeath isn't what TX is referring to. They mistakenly said Undeath while referencing Supernatural Recovery as well as the Dark Stalker passive in a rather nonchalant quick over-summary of what they might be keeping. Undeath makes it where you're harder to kill under a certain amount of health. Supernatural Recovery is resource regen. Dark Stalker is the stealth passive.

I see that now I mistook what he said. My brain can be funny sometimes. I don't think they are removing those either. But they are fully reversing the stages so you would still have to feed to have dark stalker instead of being most starving. That is one thing to likely expect. Going by what they have said about it.

Tommy_The_Gun · February 2020

My only hope is it wont be too OP in PvP , so forums warriors wont vote-nerf it, just like they did with WW, because of BGs Pre-mades..
Oh, and BG Pre-mades are no longer a thing...

DelosTheta · February 2020

My hopes:

When activating Vampire Lord, theme music changes to 'Na na na na Na na na na' and any weapon / skill hits spawn large sound effect banners that say 'BAM!', 'POW!', 'KA-ZOWIE!'
Get a new home in Rivenspire called 'STATELY WAYNE MANOR', with a bust of Varen Aquilarios that contains a secret red button that opens the VAMP CAVE.
New Assistant: ALFRED.

Sephyr · February 2020

Thevampirenight wrote: »

I see that now I mistook what he said. My brain can be funny sometimes. I don't think they are removing those either. But they are fully reversing the stages so you would still have to feed to have dark stalker instead of being most starving. That is one thing to likely expect. Going by what they have said about it.

Yeah, I had the same reaction you did until I went back and watched the stream a few times specifically where he was talking about it and noticed that he had some rather interesting wordage for the Undeath passive.

Mainly I just wanted to clarify information for new players just getting wind of this or if they don't know much about the passives in general.

I can also see that some of these passives might actually be worked into the conditional stages as well, meaning they could in fact get rid of the passives for new ones and just have them as conditions of that stage level. Which honestly would be REALLY appreciated as it'd allow a more fluid incentive to actively feed. The con to that though is that some could see that as being too overpowered.

Joxer61 · February 2020

that he sucks...…..

Thevampirenight · February 2020

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I just hope they do not get rid of Dark Stalker

You know the reason most people are Vampires in the first place.

They said they are not removing Undeath. Only differance is you will have to feed in order to keep it up though.

Darkstorne wrote: »

This turned into lore/canon discussion fast lol

Up to each of you how much of ESO you interpret as canon. Certainly the key events are canon, but for sure, there are a lot of gameplay reasons and game design reasons for assuming some things are not so much. Like how easy it is cure to vampirism/lycanthropy as Thevampirenight said, and the repetition of architecture in zones like High Rock and Summerset where every city looks like it was built by the same person at exactly the same point in time, or the world map leaving no space for Blacklight - one of Morrowind's biggest cities (whoopsie ). So I wouldn't get too caught up in lore analysis of vampire gameplay mechanics

Personally, I loved the aesthetic of the bat swarm ultimate, and have always hated the aesthetic of Skyrim's vampire lord (always sided with Dawnguard for that reason - vampire lord doesn't appeal to me). So my hopes are that bat swarm is reworked into a standard vampire skill, and I can happily play as a non-vampire lord without feeling like I've lost that visual identity. Plenty of other ults I can slot in its place

Yeah they did explain the lore being sound. Lemon Turtle said this. Mother Lamae Kinda the Mother of Vampires is able to manifest her powers in a lot of different ways. Basically saying since you get your vampirism directly from her you are able to take on that form. That is how they are justifying giving us the form. Saying the lore is sound. Don't worry about it we got this.

What they meant was that because she is the Mother of Vampires she is able to grant you not only that form but also she could grant possibly any kind of vampiric ability at her choosing. Which means they are going by her being kinda the mother of vampires as the reason why she is able to grant the vampire lord form.

As for the Bat swarm I do hope they are reworking bat swarm into an ability. It will likely either be an ability or they might rework it into the vampire lord form. So you have to be in vampire lord form to use it. I can see them going both ways with that.
We won't know more till they go into details or release the pts for greymoor. Which I don't think will happen to at least April.

Honestly that sounds to me like someone heard that Lamae Bal was the original Vampire so they assumed all Vampires must come from her and completely forgot Harkon is also an Original Vampire and not descended from her bloodline, as I said in an above post a Werecroc shall not transform into a Werewolf Lord, why should a Beolfag Vampire transform into a Volkihar Vampire Lord? a different species of Vampire not related to each-other in anyway?

It would be better if they just got rid of her and the intro quest entirely, same for the Werewolves, it prevents you from Role-Playing as any Bloodline of Vampire in a game where hundreds of different Bloodlines should exist.

I think they know Lamae isn't the mother of all of them. I think because of her being the first in existence they are going with her being like the mother/stepmother/adoptive mother of the Entire species. Even if she doesn't do it herself she might still hold onto the title of Mother in one form or another and this might allow her to manifest other bloodlines and their abilties like the Volkihar vampire lord even though she isn't a Volkihar vampire and didn't personally Mother it herself. She could technically manifest every strain that has ever been created by Molag Bal going by this logic.

The perks of being the original might be something like being able to grant any type of vampiric ability that has existed to her scions among other things. Looking forward to seeing the new vampire quest I do hope even as vampires we can go back and do the revamped quest even as a vampire.

This way those that have vampires already can see the new lore and learn how the new vampire system works.

VocalThought · February 2020

I would have make Vampires like this:
You only gain levels in the Vampire World Skill through feeding and Vampire Quests.

Stage 1: -75% health recovery, +25% dmg from fire, -21% ability cost, monstrous appearance **Criminal Act**
Stage 2: -50% health recovery, +20% dmg from fire, -14% ability cost, poor appearance.
Stage 3: -25% health recovery, +15% dmg from fire, -7% ability cost, fair appearance.
Stage 4: -0 health recovery, +0 dmg from fire, -0 ability cost, attractive appearance.

The Ultimate Ability "Blood Scion" should allow you to remove all "stage" penalties of being Vampire and increase potency of Vampire abilities for 10 secs.

Ult: Blood Scion **Criminal Act**
Skill 1: Feral Slash
Skill 2: Hypnotic Gaze
Skill 3: Drain Essence **Criminal Act**
Skill 4: Mist Form
Skill 5: Bat Swarm **Criminal Act**

Passive Bonuses
1: Savage Feeding
2: Supernatural Recovery for Stage 2 or Higher
3: Blood Ritual
4: Undeath Stage 3 or Higher
5: Unnatural Resistance for Stages 1-3
6: Dark Stalker while in Stage 1

Not feeding for an extended amount of time or using Vampire Skills would reduce your Vampire Stage. (For example, each stage requires you to eat in 24hrs <in game time> Using a Vampire skill removes an hour. Using the Vampire Ult. removes 24 hours).

Feeding would increase Vampire Stage, therefore you would have to eat 3x to get from stage 1 to stage 4.

Vampire count as undead and are susceptible to Fighter's Guild's "Skilled Tracker".

Thevampirenight · February 2020

VocalThought wrote: »

I would have make Vampires like this:
You only gain levels in the Vampire World Skill through feeding and Vampire Quests.

Stage 1: -75% health recovery, +25% dmg from fire, -21% ability cost, monstrous appearance **Criminal Act**
Stage 2: -50% health recovery, +20% dmg from fire, -14% ability cost, poor appearance.
Stage 3: -25% health recovery, +15% dmg from fire, -7% ability cost, fair appearance.
Stage 4: -0 health recovery, +0 dmg from fire, -0 ability cost, attractive appearance.

The Ultimate Ability "Blood Scion" should allow you to remove all "stage" penalties of being Vampire and increase potency of Vampire abilities for 10 secs.

Ult: Blood Scion **Criminal Act**
Skill 1: Feral Slash
Skill 2: Hypnotic Gaze
Skill 3: Drain Essence **Criminal Act**
Skill 4: Mist Form
Skill 5: Bat Swarm **Criminal Act**

Passive Bonuses
1: Savage Feeding
2: Supernatural Recovery for Stage 2 or Higher
3: Blood Ritual
4: Undeath Stage 3 or Higher
5: Unnatural Resistance for Stages 1-3
6: Dark Stalker while in Stage 1

Not feeding for an extended amount of time or using Vampire Skills would reduce your Vampire Stage. (For example, each stage requires you to eat in 24hrs <in game time> Using a Vampire skill removes an hour. Using the Vampire Ult. removes 24 hours).

Feeding would increase Vampire Stage, therefore you would have to eat 3x to get from stage 1 to stage 4.

Vampire count as undead and are susceptible to Fighter's Guild's "Skilled Tracker".

I would like to see it be a mix of both powerful and weak when well fed, powerful and weak when not well fed. This is how they could do it. Split up the passive benefits. Don't need to unlock two parts of a passive when unlocked the passives will basically apply to the stages like this. Like Undeath first tier right now allows have to go below 30% Health to benefit. Then passive unlock number two for that is below fifty. The new way would be like just placing the 30% below version into stage three and the tier two version of the passive below 50 percent into stage four. All you have to do is unlock the passives without having to put another point in them and the first and second tiers for them would apply like this accordingly.

Stage Four -75% health recovery, +25% dmg from fire, -21% ability cost, monstrous appearance Criminal Act. Undeath Passive Reduces your damage taken by up to 33% based on your missing Health while you are below 50% Health. Savage Feeding passive After feeding, your target is off balance and stunned for 4 seconds.
Stage Three -50% health recovery, +20% dmg from fire, -14% ability cost, poor appearance. Undeath Passive Reduces your damage taken by up to 33% based on your missing Health while you are below 30% Health. Savage Feeding passive After feeding, your target is off balance and stunned for 2 seconds.
Stage Two +50% health recovery, +15% dmg from fire, -7% ability cost, fair appearance. Supernatural Recovery Passive Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 5%.
Stage One +75% health recovery, +5 dmg from fire, -5 ability cost, attractive appearance. Supernatural Recovery passive Increases Magicka and Stamina recovery by 10%. Dark Stalker Passive Ignore the Movement Speed penalty while in Crouch. Decrease the time it takes to Crouch by 50% during the night.

This method would allow players to benefit from the passives in a certain way but they can't have all the passives active at the same time and have to choose between them. They either have to choose between Undeath and Savage Feeding or Supernatural Recovery and Dark Stalker.

Stage one will have the most powerful version of Supernatural Recovery plus allow use of the Dark Stalker Passive. Stage four would have the most powerful form of undeath and savage feeding passives.

Stage two would have the weakest version of Supernatural Recovery. Stage Three would have the weakest versions of Undeath and Savage Feeding passives.

Also instead of having minus health recovery in stage two and one, instead having plus health recovery. While Stage three and four would have minus health recovery. So that also is a good mirroring effect and also is something that would be a great benefit I'm sure from Vampirism. For those needing the extra health recovery.