PvP Utility Characters (How Many, Builds, Ideas, Help)

AmoralOne

I love PvP, I enjoy my days and days on my healer.

I currently have 6 characters one of each class, and I want to turn them into Utility characters. I don't need to do all the DPS, I want to assist everyone in doing DPS. As of right now, I only know of two types of Utility characters, Healers, and Negate Tanks. I do not count Tanks as utility characters because they don't do anything.

Can anyone tell me what I can turn my characters into, builds, and what they are? I have a sorc, with Dragon, and Bloodspawn so far for the negate tank, but don't know the last set.

Currently my Templar is my Healer, and have no want to change him.

Iskiab

Best thing I think, though I haven’t tried it personally so those with more experience will be better at it, is to focus on maim, defile, and giving synergies.

I’m not sure how best to do it on a sorc. Some things to consider that might be good:
- someone posted a link that’s buried somewhere that’s a sorc defile tank. It looked interesting.
- Wizard’s repost could be okay on a tanky guy to spread maim
- Daring Corsair looks like you could make a build out of it. Focus on Ult gen for more negates

I’d drop dragon guard. A sustain set with heavy attacks isn't doing much. I mean, you can be really tanky without that set so I'd focus my sets on doing something to contribute.

AmoralOne

Iskiab wrote: »

- Daring Corsair looks like you could make a build out of it. Focus on Ult gen for more negates

I’d drop dragon guard. A sustain set with heavy attacks isn't doing much. I mean, you can be really tanky without that set so I'd focus my sets on doing something to contribute.

What about akaviri dragonguard for the 15% reduced ult cost, Daring Corsair for the ult gain, bloodspawn for the ult gain.

I use a S&B so i could proc Daring with Defensive Stance, Get Daring crafted in light, Light armor shield, sorc shield, defensive stance?

Iskiab

XxNINJAMANxD wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

- Daring Corsair looks like you could make a build out of it. Focus on Ult gen for more negates

I’d drop dragon guard. A sustain set with heavy attacks isn't doing much. I mean, you can be really tanky without that set so I'd focus my sets on doing something to contribute.

What about akaviri dragonguard for the 15% reduced ult cost, Daring Corsair for the ult gain, bloodspawn for the ult gain.

I use a S&B so i could proc Daring with Defensive Stance, Get Daring crafted in light, Light armor shield, sorc shield, defensive stance?

Maybe yea. I still think something like Durok’s bane or Wizard’s repost would be better than Dragonguard. Heroism should be enough you’ll be flush with ultimate, the Dragonguard would be overkill.

Bradyfjord

You can make dk into a snare/cc tank.

Tryxus

A setup that I used to go with (a long long time ago) on my Warden when playing support in a group:

- 2x Thurvokun
- 5x Fasalla's Guile
- Front bar support set like Transmutation, Gossamer,... Potentates would also be a good choice now and enables you to use another arena weapon like Blackrose Resto or smth
- Maelstrom Ice Staff back bar

Must-have skills: Corrupting Pollen, Leeching Vines, Permafrost, Blockade of Ice, Borrowed Time. I guess Arctic Blast now too for Chilled procs and the stun

Basically just keeping up pressure with Defiles, snares and off-heals.

Like I said though: I used this a long time ago so I'm not sure if it would still work or if there are better sets to consider. But it may help you out somewhat

AmoralOne

Tryxus wrote: »

A setup that I used to go with (a long long time ago) on my Warden when playing support in a group:

- 2x Thurvokun
- 5x Fasalla's Guile
- Front bar support set like Transmutation, Gossamer,... Potentates would also be a good choice now and enables you to use another arena weapon like Blackrose Resto or smth
- Maelstrom Ice Staff back bar

Must-have skills: Corrupting Pollen, Leeching Vines, Permafrost, Blockade of Ice, Borrowed Time. I guess Arctic Blast now too for Chilled procs and the stun

Basically just keeping up pressure with Defiles, snares and off-heals.

Like I said though: I used this a long time ago so I'm not sure if it would still work or if there are better sets to consider. But it may help you out somewhat

I will look into this! Thank you!

AmoralOne

Bradyfjord wrote: »

You can make dk into a snare/cc tank.

Do you have a build idea? Would love for my DK to be useful as a support in PvP.

Bradyfjord

XxNINJAMANxD wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

You can make dk into a snare/cc tank.

Do you have a build idea? Would love for my DK to be useful as a support in PvP.

I'm at work. When I am off I'll get into detail, but due to passives the earth skills give a minor buff, dk's give group wide major brutality/sorcery, and all ardent flame abilities have snares from passives.

fred4

I have a few PvP utility characters. They're level 17 and they each receive a geode at the end of the campaign .

Iskiab

If you’re interested in making a new character I think stamcro will be where it’s at. Blastbones for defile, immobilizations, aoe major breach/physical one, some synergies and tanky screams pvp tank. Then for sustain use the two tethers so you’ll be getting mag and stam back.

Tanks are hybrids by nature.

This isn’t a full build and it’s without CPs, but looking at Necro pvp tanking skills they have quite a bit:

https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=209152

Edit - looking at it now I think desert rose instead of wizard’s repost. I think I’m going to make one now lol. Mag based though with blastbones, some of those abilities are expensive.

Bradyfjord

Iskiab wrote: »

Best thing I think, though I haven’t tried it personally so those with more experience will be better at it, is to focus on maim, defile, and giving synergies.

XxNINJAMANxD wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

You can make dk into a snare/cc tank.

Do you have a build idea? Would love for my DK to be useful as a support in PvP.

Offensive support examples:

• Casting any Earthen Heart skill buffs party members with Minor Brutality (+10% weap dmg).
• Igneous Weapons (Earthen Heart skill) gives nearby allies Major Brutality/Major Sorcery (+20% Weap/Spell dmg).
• Doing direct damage with ardent flame abilities snare targets (30%)

Defensive support examples:

• Magma Shell (Earthen Heart, Ultimate) has a synergy that gives allies a shield = to their health (10 sec).
• Choking Talons, Immobilizes multiple targets and Maims (-15% damage, 10 sec).
• Obsidian Shield (any morph), gives small shield to self/allies (scales off health).
• Ash Cloud (1 morph heals/1 morph deals damage), snares (70%).

Healing examples:

• Obsidian Shard (Stone fist morph) heals self or 2 allies, does light damage
• Cauterize, Heals a low health target in range every 5 seconds for 15 seconds. Actually quite good.
• Other skills will need to come from other skill lines such as Restoration Staff or Assault/Support.

This post isn't to tell you how to build a dk, but to show you the tools that would fit your parameters for pvp healer 'Support/Tank'. The way I build is to survive and snare. I don't plan to give the killing blow with this kind of approach, but I think you don't either.

A suggestion I will make is, unless you are max CP, put weapon/shield on one of your bars for defense. Since you want to play support, I would put restoration on your other bar. And put impen. on at least 5 pieces of armor. And powered on your restoration staff. The specific gear pieces should reflect your specific purposes.

Good luck.

NBrookus

XxNINJAMANxD wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

A setup that I used to go with (a long long time ago) on my Warden when playing support in a group:

- 2x Thurvokun
- 5x Fasalla's Guile

I will look into this! Thank you!

Fasalla used to be a meta set, but Thurvokun and Fasalla both proc minor defile now; using Fasalla is redundant if you use that helm.

If you want to run a utility build, your best bet is to join a pvp guild and find out what they need. Mag Dk definitely can be used in groups.

Tryxus

NBrookus wrote: »

XxNINJAMANxD wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

A setup that I used to go with (a long long time ago) on my Warden when playing support in a group:

- 2x Thurvokun
- 5x Fasalla's Guile

I will look into this! Thank you!

Fasalla used to be a meta set, but Thurvokun and Fasalla both proc minor defile now; using Fasalla is redundant if you use that helm.

If you want to run a utility build, your best bet is to join a pvp guild and find out what they need. Mag Dk definitely can be used in groups.

Yeah, you're right. My idea was to have both to cover more territory and pressure more players with Minor Defile, but I guess just Fasalla would be sufficient. And the Minor Maim is also taken care of with Frost Staff and Winter's Embrace abilities, so Thurvokun really wouldn't be needed anymore

If I had to update it, it would prob be like:

- 2x Bloodspawn
- 5x Fasalla
- 3x Potentates (faster Permafrost)
- vMA Ice Staff (front bar this time)

NBrookus

Fasalla is a 5m range and doesn't "stick" -- so only people actually in that tiny area are affected by minor defile. Thurvokun is better and in a 2 piece... and it's not great. You can put minor defile poisons on that ice wall and get same the effect in controllable area.

For frost tank support, depending on builds needs, I'd consider replacing Fasalla with:
a regen set to afford lots of Corrupting Pollen
a self buff set for survivability
any of the group cost reduction/increased healing sets (have to be in group) - Worm, Hircine, Sanctuary, Ebon, Beckoning Steel, etc
a general AOE buff set like Gossamer, Curse Eater, Olorime, Meritorious, etc.

Tryxus

NBrookus wrote: »

Fasalla is a 5m range and doesn't "stick" -- so only people actually in that tiny area are affected by minor defile. Thurvokun is better and in a 2 piece... and it's not great. You can put minor defile poisons on that ice wall and get same the effect in controllable area.

For frost tank support, depending on builds needs, I'd consider replacing Fasalla with:
a regen set to afford lots of Corrupting Pollen
a self buff set for survivability
any of the group cost reduction/increased healing sets (have to be in group) - Worm, Hircine, Sanctuary, Ebon, Beckoning Steel, etc
a general AOE buff set like Gossamer, Curse Eater, Olorime, Meritorious, etc.

I hadn't even considered poisons, but that sounds really interesting. I'll give this a go, ty for the advice

Gravord

XxNINJAMANxD wrote: »

I do not count Tanks as utility characters because they don't do anything.

I beg your pardon!

https://twitch.tv/videos/515510731?collection=BMx6JKIkMxVbcQ

AmoralOne

Gravord wrote: »

XxNINJAMANxD wrote: »

I do not count Tanks as utility characters because they don't do anything.

I beg your pardon!

https://twitch.tv/videos/515510731?collection=BMx6JKIkMxVbcQ

Okay you win, Can you tell me your set up on that warden? (Sets, Skills)

AmoralOne

I really want a Permafrost Warden, Run something with Defile/Maim maybe like:

Thurvokun/BloodSpawn - Shalk Exoskeleton/Akaviri Dragonguard - Fasalla's guile

Gravord

XxNINJAMANxD wrote: »

Gravord wrote: »

XxNINJAMANxD wrote: »

I do not count Tanks as utility characters because they don't do anything.

I beg your pardon!

https://twitch.tv/videos/515510731?collection=BMx6JKIkMxVbcQ

Okay you win, Can you tell me your set up on that warden? (Sets, Skills)

Acutally ive perfected my build since then. Its even more destructive towards enemy team as i can run perma major defile (which i also use to proc my toughness buff for my team).

Build: https://www.elderscrollsbote.de/planer/#1-9e007006400d:1183:1127:11:11:21:21:334:31:11:161:12:15:145:11:12:155:115:222:14:184:16:122:18:16:13:137:132-411:418:691:562:652:674:464:688:728:682:652:674

Sets i run Vanguard (a must), Bloodspawn (not a must but helps pump faster Permafrosts), last set you have many options, i either take Ebony for even more hp to the team, stacks nicely with minor toughness buff and reduces impact of heavy burst/ulti drops, Frozen watcher for even better uptime of chilled and roots or some more tanky set if you dont have reliable healer. But keep in mind this build does require healer as you expose yourself quite a lot with Vanguard.

If you go tru skills you will see insane amount of buffs and debuffs provided and you can see impact it makes on the vid posted earlier.

edit: Thurvokun is good tanking set but as warden you already have perma chilled to keep minor main up all time on everyone so you benefit only from minor defile, but that should be provided by disease glyphs on your stam dd.