Animation cancel is not a bug

ForzaRammer

Go watch some league of legend or dota2 tournament. Animation cancel is everywhere.

Nothing wrong with eso design combat similar to games popular back then.

And there is everything wrong with designing eso similar to a turn based game from the 90s.

Donny_Vito

Thank you for the confirmation in a new post.

gatekeeper13

Ok. Anything else?

Coppes

Now describing a game without AC as a turn based game is wrong in so many ways.

There are a plethora of MMOs where AC is implemented properly. ESO is not one of them.

aubrey.baconb16_ESO

Animation cancel is no longer considered to be a bug.

It was a bug on release but adopted as a feature when it became apparent on how difficult it was to change, and also how many users where enjoying using it.

Coppes

aubrey.baconb16_ESO wrote: »

Animation cancel is no longer considered to be a bug.

It was a bug on release but adopted as a feature when it became apparent on how difficult it was to change, and also how many users where enjoying using it.

Bug made feature = still a bug

Aznarb

Spaceroamer wrote: »

aubrey.baconb16_ESO wrote: »

Animation cancel is no longer considered to be a bug.

It was a bug on release but adopted as a feature when it became apparent on how difficult it was to change, and also how many users where enjoying using it.

Bug made feature = still a bug

pretty much this

Nemesis7884

listen you can argue for keeping it and thats completely fine...but saying its not a bug and intended is just silly and dishonest.

zShepplin

The best part is that out doesn't matter because after 5 years it's not going to change. Long live animation cancelling. Feels good, is good.

AgaTheGreat

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Paramedicus

AC is bug which was accepted as part of gameplay in some games, where other avoid AC being possible (while in design-stage or remove it when it occurs).

Whole idea is still regarded as controversiall (not by everyone ofc) so this topic fails to make a point (if point was to close discusions about it).

Brandathorbel

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Go watch some league of legend or dota2 tournament. Animation cancel is everywhere.

Nothing wrong with eso design combat similar to games popular back then.

And there is everything wrong with designing eso similar to a turn based game from the 90s.

it is a bug, Zos even stated it was not intended but they couldnt fix it so they left it in. No matter how hard you guys try, it was NEVER intended to be part of combat.

Raisin

I had some me real good stuff to say regarding the topic but then I realized it'll be much more efficient if I put my response in its own new thread! Keep an eye out!!!

Rake

It takes maybe a month of dedication to make animation canceling very efficient tool for an average player. But that requires more effort than not doing anything at all but crying about how its unfair, wrong, broken or whatever excuse some people use as shield for more than likely being lazy.

ForzaRammer

Spaceroamer wrote: »

Now describing a game without AC as a turn based game is wrong in so many ways.

There are a plethora of MMOs where AC is implemented properly. ESO is not one of them.

Are any of them nearly as popular as league or dota2?

ForzaRammer

Spaceroamer wrote: »

aubrey.baconb16_ESO wrote: »

Animation cancel is no longer considered to be a bug.

It was a bug on release but adopted as a feature when it became apparent on how difficult it was to change, and also how many users where enjoying using it.

Bug made feature = still a bug

Not a bug to begin with, was intended in moba, it would also be intended in eso.

ForzaRammer

xbobx15 wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Go watch some league of legend or dota2 tournament. Animation cancel is everywhere.

Nothing wrong with eso design combat similar to games popular back then.

And there is everything wrong with designing eso similar to a turn based game from the 90s.

it is a bug, Zos even stated it was not intended but they couldnt fix it so they left it in. No matter how hard you guys try, it was NEVER intended to be part of combat.

And your evidence of this?

ForzaRammer

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

listen you can argue for keeping it and thats completely fine...but saying its not a bug and intended is just silly and dishonest.

Vast majority of moba players knows this is a feature

Coppes

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Spaceroamer wrote: »

Now describing a game without AC as a turn based game is wrong in so many ways.

There are a plethora of MMOs where AC is implemented properly. ESO is not one of them.

Are any of them nearly as popular as league or dota2?

And that matters, why?

Coppes

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Spaceroamer wrote: »

aubrey.baconb16_ESO wrote: »

Animation cancel is no longer considered to be a bug.

It was a bug on release but adopted as a feature when it became apparent on how difficult it was to change, and also how many users where enjoying using it.

Bug made feature = still a bug

Not a bug to begin with, was intended in moba, it would also be intended in eso.

And that’s not a reason either.

Sylosi

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Go watch some league of legend or dota2 tournament. Animation cancel is everywhere.

Nothing wrong with eso design combat similar to games popular back then.

And there is everything wrong with designing eso similar to a turn based game from the 90s.

Funnily enough DOTA 2 just shows why ani cancelling in ESO is a low skilled joke.

DOTA 2 has proper animation cancelling, if you cancel on the front-swing it cancels the skill, the skill only gets cast if you cancel on the backswing. So this raises the skill cap of the game because it limits the window you can cancel in (if you want to cast the skill), plus enables your opponents (if they are good enough) to react to your front swing animation. again raising the skill cap.

Where as in ESO you can generally cancel ridiculously early into a skill so have a huge window to cancel in (low skilled). Plus you often produce no meaningful animation / before inflicting damage, so in PvP your opponent can't react to animations on many skills that get cancelled, which means they have to resort to guesstimating what they think their opponent will do based on their build, class, etc. Which is typically what less skilled players who struggle to read animations in games with proper ani cancelling rely on.

Anotherone773

I believe its called a "Featured Bug" and yes it is ridiculous that it is a "thing". One should not need to use such gimmicks and work arounds to properly play a game. It.is.just.bad.game.design.

snoozy

Raisin wrote: »

I had some me real good stuff to say regarding the topic but then I realized it'll be much more efficient if I put my response in its own new thread! Keep an eye out!!!

^^

i wonder how many threads we can get within just a week

ForzaRammer

Sylosi wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Go watch some league of legend or dota2 tournament. Animation cancel is everywhere.

Nothing wrong with eso design combat similar to games popular back then.

And there is everything wrong with designing eso similar to a turn based game from the 90s.

Funnily enough DOTA 2 just shows why ani cancelling in ESO is a low skilled joke.

DOTA 2 has proper animation cancelling, if you cancel on the front-swing it cancels the skill, the skill only gets cast if you cancel on the backswing. So this raises the skill cap of the game because it limits the window you can cancel in (if you want to cast the skill), plus enables your opponents (if they are good enough) to react to your front swing animation. again raising the skill cap.

Where as in ESO you can generally cancel ridiculously early into a skill so have a huge window to cancel in (low skilled). Plus you often produce no meaningful animation / before inflicting damage, so in PvP your opponent can't react to a animations on many skills that get cancelled, which means they have to resort to guesstimating what they think their opponent will do based on their build, class, etc. Which is typically what less skilled players do who struggle to read animations in games with proper ani cancelling.

I don’t disagree with the ‘dota2 system is better’. However that’s not the focus. This post is ‘AC not a bug’.

ForzaRammer

Spaceroamer wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Spaceroamer wrote: »

Now describing a game without AC as a turn based game is wrong in so many ways.

There are a plethora of MMOs where AC is implemented properly. ESO is not one of them.

Are any of them nearly as popular as league or dota2?

And that matters, why?

Because that ‘proper’ is ur opinion, not a well established standard. And my focus is not if eso done it good, it is ‘AC not a bug’.

ForzaRammer

Spaceroamer wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Spaceroamer wrote: »

aubrey.baconb16_ESO wrote: »

Animation cancel is no longer considered to be a bug.

It was a bug on release but adopted as a feature when it became apparent on how difficult it was to change, and also how many users where enjoying using it.

Bug made feature = still a bug

Not a bug to begin with, was intended in moba, it would also be intended in eso.

And that’s not a reason either.

Sure w/e, state more opinion without evidence and argument.

Dark_Lord_Kuro

It is a bug and a completely stupid one at that

ZOS_Ragnar

We have closed this thread as there is already an active discussion about Animation canceling. If you would like to continue to discuss this subject please do so in this thread: Animation Cancelling the most important issue?