new moon vs shackle

Wing

now hold up, I know everyone is going to be like NEW MOON HYPE!

but calm down for a sec

so is it better to go new moon and get your sustain through glyphs, or shackle and damage glyphs?

I just found shackle to be so much more comfortable to use because im not out of resources all the time (my other set would be something like spinners / sprigans)

Luede

shackle isnt a sustain set, it only gives 129 recovery, so i dont get the question.

edit; if u have sustain problems with new moon, u should use one infused ring with reduced stam cost. thats much better then stamina reg

Zer0_CooL

Luede wrote: »

shackle isnt a sustain set, it only gives 129 recovery, so i dont get the question.

edit; if u have sustain problems with new moon, u should use one infused ring with reduced stam cost. thats much better then stamina reg

I was wondering many times whats beter for sustain. Also on mag. How you got to that conclusion? I don't even get behind that number on the glyph. Is it a straight reduction or a factor like for example on crit chance.

Vyvrhel

Go Shackle since NMA will be very likely nerfed. But the best way is to go to PTS and try every possible combinations for yourself.

Luede

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Luede wrote: »

shackle isnt a sustain set, it only gives 129 recovery, so i dont get the question.

edit; if u have sustain problems with new moon, u should use one infused ring with reduced stam cost. thats much better then stamina reg

I was wondering many times whats beter for sustain. Also on mag. *** you got to that conclusion? I don't even get behind that number on the glyph. Is it a straight reduction or a factor like for example on crit chance.

i don't know if you can transfer that to mag because stam skills are much cheaper. Most of my skills cost less than 2k -2,5k stam, so the effect of this glyph is much greater than if u use skills that cost 4k + Magicka.

Iskiab

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Luede wrote: »

shackle isnt a sustain set, it only gives 129 recovery, so i dont get the question.

edit; if u have sustain problems with new moon, u should use one infused ring with reduced stam cost. thats much better then stamina reg

I was wondering many times whats beter for sustain. Also on mag. How you got to that conclusion? I don't even get behind that number on the glyph. Is it a straight reduction or a factor like for example on crit chance.

It’s a straight number. In general it goes cost reduction for stam and regen for mag.

Zer0_CooL

@luede so it directly reduces the cost by the number shown on the jewelery?

Luede

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

@luede so it directly reduces the cost by the number shown on the jewelery?

yes

Wing

Luede wrote: »

shackle isnt a sustain set, it only gives 129 recovery, so i dont get the question.

edit; if u have sustain problems with new moon, u should use one infused ring with reduced stam cost. thats much better then stamina reg

true but that combined with the raw stats vs the 5% cost increase and no sustain whatsoever does make a difference

Luede

Wing wrote: »

Luede wrote: »

shackle isnt a sustain set, it only gives 129 recovery, so i dont get the question.

edit; if u have sustain problems with new moon, u should use one infused ring with reduced stam cost. thats much better then stamina reg

true but that combined with the raw stats vs the 5% cost increase and no sustain whatsoever does make a difference

i would bet that with 1 infused cost reduction u have better sustain and dmg with new moon than shackle with 1 infused wp dmg glyphe

mague

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Luede wrote: »

shackle isnt a sustain set, it only gives 129 recovery, so i dont get the question.

edit; if u have sustain problems with new moon, u should use one infused ring with reduced stam cost. thats much better then stamina reg

I was wondering many times whats beter for sustain. Also on mag. How you got to that conclusion? I don't even get behind that number on the glyph. Is it a straight reduction or a factor like for example on crit chance.

Both and situational. The reduction glyph is a flat number. Infused you can get almost 1k reduction with three glyphs. But there is nothing to boost it in CP or on sets. So it might happen that you have a reduction, a recovery and a W or M damage glyph. You will have to try what fits you.

oxygen_thief

Wing wrote: »

I just found shackle to be so much more comfortable to use because im not out of resources all the time (my other set would be something like spinners / sprigans)

so whats the problem? use shackle if you like it

Septimus_Magna

Wing wrote: »

Luede wrote: »

shackle isnt a sustain set, it only gives 129 recovery, so i dont get the question.

edit; if u have sustain problems with new moon, u should use one infused ring with reduced stam cost. thats much better then stamina reg

true but that combined with the raw stats vs the 5% cost increase and no sustain whatsoever does make a difference

Regarding the cost reduction it depends on what skills you use.

For example a skill that costs 3700 magicka, 5% cost increase makes it cost 3885 magicka.
Thats an increase of 185 magicka which is less than a reduce cost glyph.

For a skill that costs 7500 magicka, 5% cost increase makes it cost 7875 magicka.
Thats an increase of 375 magicka which is more than a reduce cost glyph.

I dont know if NMA cost increase works before or after the jewelry glyph cost reduction.

Grimlok_S

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

Luede wrote: »

shackle isnt a sustain set, it only gives 129 recovery, so i dont get the question.

edit; if u have sustain problems with new moon, u should use one infused ring with reduced stam cost. thats much better then stamina reg

true but that combined with the raw stats vs the 5% cost increase and no sustain whatsoever does make a difference

Regarding the cost reduction it depends on what skills you use.

For example a skill that costs 3700 magicka, 5% cost increase makes it cost 3885 magicka.
Thats an increase of 185 magicka which is less than a reduce cost glyph.

For a skill that costs 7500 magicka, 5% cost increase makes it cost 7875 magicka.
Thats an increase of 375 magicka which is more than a reduce cost glyph.

I dont know if NMA cost increase works before or after the jewelry glyph cost reduction.

From what I can decipher on the UESP build editor it looks like cost reduction glyphs are considered before NMA's 5% cost increase.

MagickaCost = ((Misc.SpellCost)*(1 + CP.MagickaCost) + Item.MagickaCost)*(Skill.MagickaCost + Set.MagickaCost + Buff.MagickaCost + 1)

"Item" being the glyph

Davadin

so for stamdk with NMA, should i use a stam cost reduction or stam regen on my infused necklace?? The 2 rings are infused with wep dmg...

Grimlok_S

Davadin wrote: »

so for stamdk with NMA, should i use a stam cost reduction or stam regen on my infused necklace?? The 2 rings are infused with wep dmg...

Cost reduction.