Why do we get less and less content every year for the same price?

jircris11

Eric_Prince wrote: »

jircris11 wrote: »

Eric_Prince wrote: »

My only concern is payment. I just dropped WoW after about 6 or 7 years of playing. I honestly don't know how much other countries pay for subscription there, but russians pay ~9$.

And for that we have locations triple (or more) size of Summerset. Many battlegrounds of different size and with many different modes. I'm honestly remembered every damn corner in ESO BGs. But modes - well, I like them a lot. Just want a bit more, you know. We have big bank and inventory space. And we don't need to pay absolutely nothing more, just really small monthly subscription.
And WoW is still one of the best MMO in the world, while Blizzard isn't trying to suck every dollar from our pockets.
I like ESO much more in terms of content, lore, factions and graphics, that's why I dropped WoW. But man, I wish this wouldn't cost me that much money to have a comfortable game...

Average wow expectations in us us 40-80 usd. Plus mandatory sub, and it was not untill a while ago that you originally had to buy all the expansions that totaled up to around 350 to just start playing as a new player. So yes blizzard did and still does suck players dry. Eso+ is purely oprional. Also eso+ is 15usd a month for us in the USA.

jircris11 wrote: »

Eric_Prince wrote: »

My only concern is payment. I just dropped WoW after about 6 or 7 years of playing. I honestly don't know how much other countries pay for subscription there, but russians pay ~9$.

And for that we have locations triple (or more) size of Summerset. Many battlegrounds of different size and with many different modes. I'm honestly remembered every damn corner in ESO BGs. But modes - well, I like them a lot. Just want a bit more, you know. We have big bank and inventory space. And we don't need to pay absolutely nothing more, just really small monthly subscription.
And WoW is still one of the best MMO in the world, while Blizzard isn't trying to suck every dollar from our pockets.
I like ESO much more in terms of content, lore, factions and graphics, that's why I dropped WoW. But man, I wish this wouldn't cost me that much money to have a comfortable game...

Average wow expectations in us us 40-80 usd. Plus mandatory sub, and it was not untill a while ago that you originally had to buy all the expansions that totaled up to around 350 to just start playing as a new player. So yes blizzard did and still does suck players dry. Eso+ is purely oprional. Also eso+ is 15usd a month for us in the USA.

Oh, I totally forgot to say about expansions! Yeah, they're quite expensive, but still. Zones of triple size, almost the same money. Well, that's for us of course

For me, wow lost it's way. Too many lvls to slog through from 1 to cap. The zones where kargil but it was really anti explore without flying. Then with flying you missed the scenery. Their land also feels more empty vs eso.

Commancho

FierceSam wrote: »

Commancho wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

I like ESO.

Sure there are loads of elements that are flat out f****d, the Crown Store landgrab is offensive and many areas would benefit from some genuinely creative intervention, but it’s my game and I like it.

€4 a week to play a game I like sounds like a price worth paying.

That's a price of ESO+ standalone.
Full game = 60€
Yearly ESO+ sub = 120€
Yearly chapter purcharse = 40€
Crownstore = ???

It means that you have to spend 220 euro during first year to have access to most of the content. Then 160€ for every next year (assuming that you skip large piece of content in the crownstore). Thats 380€ during your first two years of playing a game. That's 50€ every 3 months for 6 years old game - that's a price of brand new AAA game - and still without access to full content in ESO because you need to purcharse crowns for that since first year crowns go on account upgrades... ;-)

My point is that at some point, for players like me, who have finished almost all content during past few years, it's not worth it anymore to continue donating a game. There should be at least some loyality program IMO.

Also price of cookie cutters Elweyr and Skyrim shouldn't be higher than 19,99€ on the release. These are NOT full chapters.

Sorry... my mistake. Thanks for the correction.

€50 a quarter is less than €4 a week

I can’t buy a single round of drinks for 2 for that.

But you know what? It’s your money, so you decide what you want to spend it on.

No, thats actually a single payment of 120€ a year solely for ESO+. You can't pay weekly. You can pay monthly, but in this case it will cost 156€ a year. So you buy a full game, subscribe and a chapter for 256€/year. That's 286$ USD in your case. Next year you will purcharse just a subscription for 156€ + chapter 40€=196€. In the other words, after two years you can say that you have spent 452€ (500$ USD) on a 6 years old, bugged, constantly rebalanced and clunky video game. Thats without even touching a crowncrates or crownstore stuff (beyond account upgrades from crowns for ESO+). Thats equivalent of top RTX2070 graphic card or 8 triple A games from 2020 or Samsung Galaxy S10.

Shardaxx

The paid "chapters" are a bit of a cheek, the first few free to subscribers DLC areas like Wrothgar were easily as large as the later "you gotta buy this too" chapters. They promised when this started that everyone had to pay because these chapters were so large and long, above and beyond the free DLC, but this simply isn't true at all. I tend to get through the chapters in about 2 weeks of fairly casual play, I know people who have hammered through them in a day or two. They aren't long, they haven't been particularly interesting, and they are not worth the price of a full game.

Kiralyn2000

Commancho wrote: »

That's a price of ESO+ standalone.
Full game = 60€
Yearly ESO+ sub = 120€
Yearly chapter purcharse = 40€
Crownstore = ???

It means that you have to spend 220 euro during first year to have access to most of the content. Then 160€ for every next year (assuming that you skip large piece of content in the crownstore). Thats 380€ during your first two years of playing a game. That's 50€ every 3 months for 6 years old game - that's a price of brand new AAA game - and still without access to full content in ESO because you need to purchase crowns for that since first year crowns go on account upgrades... ;-)

Eh, I don't see why you'd need to spend all that. And most of the stuff in the crown store is un-needed fluff (so what all "account upgrades" are you spending a year of ESO+ crowns on?)


Meanwhile, WoW and FF14 also have the yearly sub, but it's required. Plus they sell expansions. And have cash shops. So in comparison to the same genre of games, ESO isn't too far different. Yes, it doesn't compare straight to, say, COD or AssCreed, but I wouldn't expect it to.




(disclaimer: I don't ESO+ anymore - I did it for three months, and that was enough. Between those Crowns and a 3k pack I bought on sale for $16, I still have 1700 crowns sitting around from purchases over the past three years. But I've only grabbed two of the Chapters - Summerset pre-order+Morrowind free; and I got Any Race/Any Alliance with my $10 disc copy back pre-1T. I have all the zone DLC - free or on sale - except for Pelletine. Don't care about IC or dungeon DLC. And I've never bought any 'account upgrades', services, or consumables - they're a waste, not a requirement.)


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Then we still have alot of content being locked behind crownstore wall - housing, skins, mounts, skill-lines and skyshards. Is it still triple A game or some russian F2P garbage?

Uh, I wouldn't consider any of that to be "content locked behind cash shop". The houses, except for the stupid-large ones, can all be got with in-game gold; skill lines & skyshards are all in-game stuff - buying them is just being a Lazy Rich throwing money at things instead of playing the game; and 'skins & mounts' are typical cash shop things in every game, not just "russian f2p garbage".

But I suppose you could see it all that way, if you're determined to twist everything into the most negative view possible. /shrug