achievements outside main char

Edziu

so as I see how RP's are complaining about story locked behind group dungeons I will start again other complain

what about accountshare achievements? or just something like toggle on your character/whiel creating character if we want this character to get all acheivements shared from other character wchich already got these achievs
as this is just big nonsense with how mny achievs we have...to be so locked with this progression on single character....this is jus timpossible if we want to get all achievs to start doing them on more than 1 char...it will ake even few years to get all of them on single character so now way we will get from on more than 1 and ofc we wont be playing nonstop this single character because of simple we cna get bored of playing single class for years

I dont care for learned recipes, motifs, lvled skillines etc, I just want to have these achievements on my alts to have reason to still hunt for them when Im sick of playing on my main for so long

this also wont be so problematic with titles how people also complain...on acheivement earned on other char we will get info or mark this was not completed by this char so title locked, whats problem here?

TelvanniWizard

Account wide achuevements, even without the rewards, would be great.

LadyNalcarya

I agree. It just punishes people for creating alts.
It could also be just a separate tab, so those people who really enjoy collecting achievements on all chars would be able to continue doing so.

Edziu

TelvanniWizard wrote: »

Account wide achuevements, even without the rewards, would be great.

this is what I mean after going with compromoise with so many negative "RP's" about this it different threads before

Edziu

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

I agree. It just punishes people for creating alts.
It could also be just a separate tab, so those people who really enjoy collecting achievements on all chars would be able to continue doing so.

and yes, exactly yjis punisch completionist players for playing more than their main char
me for example..before morrowind chapter, I had 28k+ achievs points on my main, got some breaks from eos, class of my main bored me af after playing this single character since beta - so very long

and so Im punished now by not playing my main and so I lost most of my interest playing this game whne I play on my alts -
isntead of still hunting for achievs etc all Im doing now is just craft writs on few chars many maybe pledges with weekly trials for coffers if Im not playing dlc dungs with friends and so I stopped also buying ESO+ because it i not worth for me when Im able to buy dlc dung for gold from someone else

Aznarb

One of the main reason why I always go back on my Templar.

Cirantille

Achievement points are useless

Literally

There is nothing you can do with them

Edziu

Cirantille wrote: »

Achievement points are useless

Literally

There is nothing you can do with them

for average RP or meta chaser probably, they dont care what they earned

but there is many completionists in every game who want to have everythin completed on 100% and atleas they target for this

and maybe achiev points are useless, but they are good meter to show how many achievs you got, your completion of game for you


btw same I can say about meta chasing or even lore
for what lore? we have many who dont care to much about this and they want jsut to play with others and get rewards skipping all dialoges, so for what even take care about lore in quests?
meta? you will complete every content without meta builds, sets, oft it wont be so effective but still able to complete it, so why people create meta build for when many people still are not effective becaue they need l2p before?

LadyNalcarya

Cirantille wrote: »

Achievement points are useless

Literally

There is nothing you can do with them

I mean, achievement collecting is just something to keep track of your game completion.
Also, collecting stuff can be fun, some people collect stamps, or train models, achievements are no different.

Cirantille

Edziu wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Achievement points are useless

Literally

There is nothing you can do with them

for average RP or meta chaser probably, they dont care what they earned

but there is many completionists in every game who want to have everythin completed on 100% and atleas they target for this

and maybe achiev points are useless, but they are good meter to show how many achievs you got, your completion of game for you


btw same I can say about meta chasing or even lore
for what lore? we have many who dont care to much about this and they want jsut to play with others and get rewards skipping all dialoges, so for what even take care about lore in quests?
meta? you will complete every content without meta builds, sets, oft it wont be so effective but still able to complete it, so why people create meta build for when many people still are not effective becaue they need l2p before?

I can understand wanting skins, titles etc

Idk how the topic came to the topic of meta

I am just saying people would feel way more relaxed and enjoy the game if they didn't worry about it

As soon as you let that "completion" thought go, you start doing what you enjoy the most

At least that was my experience

Edziu

Cirantille wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Cirantille wrote: »

Achievement points are useless

Literally

There is nothing you can do with them

for average RP or meta chaser probably, they dont care what they earned

but there is many completionists in every game who want to have everythin completed on 100% and atleas they target for this

and maybe achiev points are useless, but they are good meter to show how many achievs you got, your completion of game for you


btw same I can say about meta chasing or even lore
for what lore? we have many who dont care to much about this and they want jsut to play with others and get rewards skipping all dialoges, so for what even take care about lore in quests?
meta? you will complete every content without meta builds, sets, oft it wont be so effective but still able to complete it, so why people create meta build for when many people still are not effective becaue they need l2p before?

I can understand wanting skins, titles etc

Idk how the topic came to the topic of meta

I am just saying people would feel way more relaxed and enjoy the game if they didn't worry about it

As soon as you let that "completion" thought go, you start doing what you enjoy the most

At least that was my experience

I was, maybe Im still relaxed, I just stopped enjoying this game when I stopped playing my mian

people play game because RP, because lore, people play for endgame, people play just casually and peoplay play because they like game and for them their content is completionism

if this was not in this game then for what we have so many acheivements and we are getting newer and newer with ever new patch in most just "pointless" as you will say because you have nothing from this, nto title, skin, even no dye, just achiev complete with points to this

while everyone else want to respected, especially RP players then completionists for atleast achievs are so not respected so much? because in most if nto in every thread about them their..our playstyle was never respeted when we was asking for QoL for us like for what I have created this thread, not big deal for anyone else but for us it would be big big improvement to get more joy from this game

themaddaedra

It's been bothering me for a very long time now and i believe this is a discussion you can't win against forum warriors who don't even have a clue what you are talking about.

When i made posts about this in the past i got answers like yeah freaking lazy people wanting everything easy or if you want them on all chars then do them on all chars. These people don't even know what is being discussed here.

Collecting over 30k achievements on a single character (let alone collecting all of them) is a years long process. There's simply not enough time in math to do these on multiple characters.

There were people saying that they want to see achievements per character to keep their immersion or what not. Well it should be the easiest thing to do seperate tabs to check every character seperately. There's even an addon that's already doing all this: Kyoma's Global Achievements.

Imo this should be a feature and is long overdue, but do i believe it will happen? Not really.

Edziu

themaddaedra wrote: »

It's been bothering me for a very long time now and i believe this is a discussion you can't win against forum warriors who don't even have a clue what you are talking about.

When i made posts about this in the past i got answers like yeah freaking lazy people wanting everything easy or if you want them on all chars then do them on all chars. These people don't even know what is being discussed here.

Collecting over 30k achievements on a single character (let alone collecting all of them) is a years long process. There's simply not enough time in math to do these on multiple characters.

There were people saying that they want to see achievements per character to keep their immersion or what not. Well it should be the easiest thing to do seperate tabs to check every character seperately. There's even an addon that's already doing all this: Kyoma's Global Achievements.

Imo this should be a feature and is long overdue, but do i believe it will happen? Not really.

so thats why we still try and try to find compromise [removed for inappropriate comment] because our choice of playing is breaking their immersion...

and btw if they create many thread for their immersion, "story" etc to be easier fr them..then why we should stop posting our ideas for us as we are not that small miniority of players at all? I wont stay silent becaue of their ignorance shouting at me

richo262

They should make achievements account wide, except for:

Quest completion achievements (So you can keep tabs on what your character needs to complete)
Skyshard achievements (Again, so you know what to collect, addons refer to these)
Title achievements (Specific to character, alts should not be able to wear titles of what they have no completed)

Every other achievement should be account wide.

It would be great is No Death / Speed run achievements were account wide, they could then go back to a higher threshold for getting the reward at that point as it wouldn't be too painful to try to get all of that on the same character.

Edziu

richo262 wrote: »

They should make achievements account wide, except for:

Quest completion achievements (So you can keep tabs on what your character needs to complete)
Skyshard achievements (Again, so you know what to collect, addons refer to these)
Title achievements (Specific to character, alts should not be able to wear titles of what they have no completed)

Every other achievement should be account wide.

It would be great is No Death / Speed run achievements were account wide, they could then go back to a higher threshold for getting the reward at that point as it wouldn't be too painful to try to get all of that on the same character.

for quest, skyshards, titles it could be easy I think

to not bother this was not done...it still wil be showing as every other account wide as done but
just at acheivement like these you could have for example red "X" mark as you didnt earn this thing on this char
so you would still have showing everything which you have done before as done but for example not collected/earned by this character

Geekgirl

As someone who has a character with which I am trying to actively complete everything (every quest, every fish, etc.) on every map, I FULLY SUPPORT the idea of sharing achievements account-wide.

I am enjoying the journey on this one character, but do not want to slog through on the others.

There are options already to purchase all of the skyshards/guild abilities with crowns if you have already completed them on other characters. This shows a precedent of "sharing" these and leaves me wondering why the others are not also available for sharing.

Granted, not everything has to be behind a crown purchase. Seriously. If we've put in the leg work at least once, let us open them up for other characters.

TheShadowScout

Edziu wrote: »

what about accountshare achievements?

Old idea.
Still not good.

Lorewise it makes no sense as different characters are different people from the lore viewpoint (as if the different class and race and appearance choices were not a dead giveaway of that)

Gamewise it gains them nothing since the powers that be make no extra profit from people playing less achievement-chasing.

IF they would ever do something in that direction, it would come exactly like they did answer all those calls for "account wide riding" and "account wide skyshards" and "account wide guilds" - by making something purchasable in the crown store. Crown riding lessons. Crown skyshard mirrorings. Crown guild mirrorings.
Yes, -exactly- like that - complete a achievement category on your main, and you would be allowed to pay good crowns to mirror it for your alts, -just- like skyshards or guild progression happened.

So, everyone who things this a good idea, ask yourself... would YOU be willing to pay thousands of crowns for mirroring something you could just as well play for, and that does not even have any in-game effect?
If it wouldn't be worth all that money for you, then you have your answer.

Personally I can think of better things to spend my crowns on!

Edziu

@TheShadowScout

we have barely visible things to lorewise in this game
just look how for "balance" they broke lore not only once, like not only in balance but even in word some real TES fans ahve found many different lorebreaks in just story so for "lorewise" is just to invalid argument here

gamewise this is just great QoL for another type of players which are in literally every game, every game have things to complete and they dont need to be to get to end of the game and yet in every game you will find players who want, who need to have complated everything possible on 100%
in many mmos acheivement system is very friendly for this type of players as or you have things liek this accountshare or you have much more possibilities to play your main without getting bored of it/need to play alts to be able to do something

so why this is not in game, we cant have it?

as for the only reason why not was immerions breaking of players who maybe dont want it but they ven dont want it able to be for other players like there was many listed compromises along with option toggle of it when creating this new character for example

so at the end we got no single logic argument against it at all and yet there was always people shouting at it for no because no as they had no any real arguments

heaven13

I'd like to see Kyoma's Global Achievements turned into a game feature so everyone, regardless of platform, has the option to see their achievements across their account.

The best thing about Kyoma's is that it's not an either/or situation. For those that want to keep achievements separate, all your characters earn their own. For those that only care about achievements across the entire account, you switch to the global tab. It doesn't affect master writ chances, achievements that need to be linked by character (for trial access or whatever) can still be done that way.

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

@TheShadowScout

we have barely visible things to lorewise in this game
just look how for "balance" they broke lore not only once, like not only in balance but even in word some real TES fans ahve found many different lorebreaks in just story so for "lorewise" is just to invalid argument here

gamewise this is just great QoL for another type of players which are in literally every game, every game have things to complete and they dont need to be to get to end of the game and yet in every game you will find players who want, who need to have complated everything possible on 100%
in many mmos acheivement system is very friendly for this type of players as or you have things liek this accountshare or you have much more possibilities to play your main without getting bored of it/need to play alts to be able to do something

so why this is not in game, we cant have it?

as for the only reason why not was immerions breaking of players who maybe dont want it but they ven dont want it able to be for other players like there was many listed compromises along with option toggle of it when creating this new character for example

so at the end we got no single logic argument against it at all and yet there was always people shouting at it for no because no as they had no any real arguments

[Removed for baiting]

The issue boils down to this: ZoS has tied CHARACTER specific drop rates to the achievements. They would have to go through and decouple all of those and use some alternative way of tracking how to do a large number of calculations in the game. That's a big ask.

I'm an achievement point hunter. I'm in a discord specifically tailored to us who are trying to get more achievement points. My primary raid team is an achievement hunting team. We get ALL the achievements when we do a trial.

I DO NOT WANT ACCOUNT BASED ACHIEVEMENT POINTS

Each character is their own. Each has their own story. To have that story "completed" by another character breaks the entire principle of a story driven game, as any TES game is.

Yes, I have Kyoma's Global Achievement addon. I have a couple of achievements on an alt that I'd like on my main. Eventually I might get there. (It's gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOONG time before I get Grand Overlord, I don't really PVP much... and probably just as long to get Godslayer, gonna need some hefty power creep)

So please, stop acting like your viewpoint is the only right and viable one. Others have different opinions, and that's fine.

Edziu

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

@TheShadowScout

we have barely visible things to lorewise in this game
just look how for "balance" they broke lore not only once, like not only in balance but even in word some real TES fans ahve found many different lorebreaks in just story so for "lorewise" is just to invalid argument here

gamewise this is just great QoL for another type of players which are in literally every game, every game have things to complete and they dont need to be to get to end of the game and yet in every game you will find players who want, who need to have complated everything possible on 100%
in many mmos acheivement system is very friendly for this type of players as or you have things liek this accountshare or you have much more possibilities to play your main without getting bored of it/need to play alts to be able to do something

so why this is not in game, we cant have it?

as for the only reason why not was immerions breaking of players who maybe dont want it but they ven dont want it able to be for other players like there was many listed compromises along with option toggle of it when creating this new character for example

so at the end we got no single logic argument against it at all and yet there was always people shouting at it for no because no as they had no any real arguments

[Removed for baiting]

The issue boils down to this: ZoS has tied CHARACTER specific drop rates to the achievements. They would have to go through and decouple all of those and use some alternative way of tracking how to do a large number of calculations in the game. That's a big ask.

I'm an achievement point hunter. I'm in a discord specifically tailored to us who are trying to get more achievement points. My primary raid team is an achievement hunting team. We get ALL the achievements when we do a trial.

I DO NOT WANT ACCOUNT BASED ACHIEVEMENT POINTS

Each character is their own. Each has their own story. To have that story "completed" by another character breaks the entire principle of a story driven game, as any TES game is.

Yes, I have Kyoma's Global Achievement addon. I have a couple of achievements on an alt that I'd like on my main. Eventually I might get there. (It's gonna be a LOOOOOOOOOONG time before I get Grand Overlord, I don't really PVP much... and probably just as long to get Godslayer, gonna need some hefty power creep)

So please, stop acting like your viewpoint is the only right and viable one. Others have different opinions, and that's fine.

and where you didnt ever saw option TOGGLE when it was written in every thread like this?

and I will quote

themaddaedra wrote: »

It's been bothering me for a very long time now and i believe this is a discussion you can't win against forum warriors who don't even have a clue what you are talking about.

When i made posts about this in the past i got answers like yeah freaking lazy people wanting everything easy or if you want them on all chars then do them on all chars. These people don't even know what is being discussed here.

Collecting over 30k achievements on a single character (let alone collecting all of them) is a years long process. There's simply not enough time in math to do these on multiple characters.

There were people saying that they want to see achievements per character to keep their immersion or what not. Well it should be the easiest thing to do seperate tabs to check every character seperately. There's even an addon that's already doing all this: Kyoma's Global Achievements.

Imo this should be a feature and is long overdue, but do i believe it will happen? Not really.

how many times we have to write again: we dont want to play on single character for this, mostyle this wont be problem if we coudl just swap class ou classes, thats it

Im freaking bored of playing my NB sincle beta for good 4+ years, I have got 28k achievs points on this before morrowind came out and still I dont touch this character besides craft dailys because Im bored fo this single class to play as for main to get all achievs on this!

ok, you can have your immersion by progressing every acheivement for your char, you have it and could still have option for this if we coudl get these accountwide achievs

but yet I dont have immersion in this game as TES because Im stuck to single class for my character and yet this reason why I woudl be happy by accountshare acheivements if we are not able to switch our class on acharacter to be able to do literally everything like in every othet TES game

while you posts have logic arguments it at same time dont have logic arguments because of TES title in it and how our characters, classes in this game work by ZOS

so at same time you are right to not have achievs accountshare but per character and at same time you are wrong why we cant have this or if even, why we are so enslaved to this single character just for this when we cant play the way we want to on him

TheShadowScout

Edziu wrote: »

so why this is not in game, we cant have it?

Obvious answer:

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Gamewise it gains them nothing since the powers that be make no extra profit from people playing less achievement-chasing.

IF they would ever do something in that direction, it would come exactly like they did answer all those calls for "account wide riding" and "account wide skyshards" and "account wide guilds" - by making something purchasable in the crown store. Crown riding lessons. Crown skyshard mirrorings. Crown guild mirrorings.
Yes, -exactly- like that - complete a achievement category on your main, and you would be allowed to pay good crowns to mirror it for your alts, -just- like skyshards or guild progression happened.

But that is the part you choose to ignore and focus on the tiny bit before this, huh?

If you want something, you need to think about how it would make things better for the company that makes the game, not how it would let you play less for getting the same stuff multiple times.
And the ONLY way this could do that... was if it came with a hefty cost in crowns.
Like riding training.
Like skyshards.
Like guild progression.

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I will also say the bit I often say...

We don't need "account wide achievements" coming for a crown price.
That made a little bit of sense for skyshards and guilds, since those actually have a game effect, and that might get at least some people to spend crowns on... but achievements that at best give your alt a title (since all the other achievement-based rewards are account wide anyhow)???
Who'd pay for that? Would you waste money on this? How few would? Would it be worth even bothering adding the options? THOSE are the questions that will go through heads at ZOS when the topic comes up!
And if you want to influence them in THAT direction, you need to make sure they see -huge- sales from the crown store skyshard and guild mirrorings, so they will start thinking "Oh, wait, mirrorings sell like fresh bread, lets add more mirrorings"
So, until and unless everyone pays for that... well, no luck for your argument I would reckon.
(How are such sales anyhow? I know I would never ever pay for that... how many did? Speak up!)

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But be that as it may... it -would- be really nifty to have an "account achievement overview" page added to our character selection screen instead, where we can see which achievement we have done with which characters when, which are still left to play for, and so on.
They could also add a special category of rewards for multiple completions there, tempting people into more playing, more alting (which would increase their crown store sales as more alts might get people buying more stuff)... like <complete mainstory with every class, gain "Mannimarcos Staff" outfit piece> or <reach level 50 with every race, gain "Tamriel wanderer" donkey mount> or <gain those PvP achievements in every alliance, get "Ambassador" color-adjusting costume> and so on. There are so many thing they could release this way without much extra effort... like all the stuff that has in-game visuals, but isn't in the outfit system yet; like... complete all the "quest" achievements for one mainstory region with every race, get one piece of armor visuals, lich for DC, golden saint for AD, dark seducer for EP and so on... there are also a couple other incompelte styles floating around, the companions are there (and could be given out this way as well as the special event rewards), then there is the special styles for almarexia, ayrenn, and others... and of course a lot of costumes and disguises that could be added to the outfit system just like the prisoner clothes were... et cetera.

mikikatze

I actually would MOSTLY care for the titles! Colours, houses, costumes, mementos and personalities are account wide anyway (which is good, because there is MAYBE one char that could maybe one day get that beast personality... someday...).

But why should titles be bound to only one character? I sometimes create chars that are old, have lived a long life and have had many adventures before materialising on my screen. Why can they not have a backstory in my mind that, well, might come with a title? Maybe they are one hero of Tamriel already, and now retired, just collecting plants and doing alchemy? They get cool armor, a nice pet and awesome weapons in level ONE because I chose to do that... yet no titles. Why?

(As if other players would really care on which char I cleared which arena etc.)

redlink1979

@tmbrinks I agree with you. I'm also an achievement point hunter and completionist and I also don't want account based achievements, it makes no sense. Each char has his own list. So, ESO player do you want an achievement perk, a color or a title unlocked for you char? Play the content in order to unlock it.

Tandor

I fully support an account-wide list accessed from the character selection screen showing all the achievements earned across the account and by which character. I am also wholly in favour of then having some additional i.e. new achievements that are earned across the account.

However, whether role-players or not, a lot of players don't run "a main plus alts", they run multiple characters they consider individual and equal with the intention of playing the game fully with them over a long time - after all, MMORPGs are designed to be played for years, not weeks or months. Role-players may also have an approach whereby they don't want to do or associate certain content with certain characters, such as not wanting a lawful good character benefiting from Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood achievements earned by a different character, for example. This isn't a negative viewpoint, it's about relating to the "RPG" in "MMORPG".

As one such player I would be totally against existing individual character achievements automatically being credited to every character on the account. However, I stress my full support for the points made in my opening paragraph.

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