Vampire Game Mechanic - Looking Less Sickly As You Feed

DigitalTemerity

Currently, as vampires feed you grow more normal looking. You look gradually less sickly until finally you look normal again. In Greymoor, I don't want to see that mechanic change. I am looking forward to becoming more powerful as I feed. But I want to be able to grow better looking as I feed as well. That keeps with Hollywood's depiction of vampires. Female vampires had to feed on the blood of a virgin in order to continue to look young. If they somehow did not or could not then they suddenly would look really old and decrepit. Can we do something in Greymoor where vampires look better as they feed except for maybe having pale skin, but still become more powerful as they feed?

ItsMeToo

I want this too.

snoozy

PLEASE let us finally be good-looking powerful bloodsuckers

Alienoutlaw

should they sparkle too?

drkfrontiers

Maybe they make the new skill look the part

Thannazzar

Not with the current models. My vamp looks suitably malevolent at stage 4. I don't want him turning into a goth with pink-eye just because he is powered up.

Faulgor

Which is another point where their new model of "feed to get stronger" breaks down.

Vampires should look more human when they drink blood, but they shouldn't look like humans at their strongest. Or do werewolves transform into humans with their ultimate?

Thevampirenight

If they reverse it including appearance stage three and four need to be heavily overhauled not to be like they are. Overhauled to look good and not like they are.

Deathlord92

I want my vampire to look powerful not beautiful lol 😂

darthgummibear_ESO

Since they refuse to fix body and facial markings on vamps I'm totally onboard with this.

Aznarb

Seem fair and logic.
Hate vampire but can support this :>

Ri_Khan

So you folks still want to have your cake and eat it too... smh.

darthgummibear_ESO

Ri_Khan wrote: »

So you folks still want to have your cake and eat it too... smh.

Well if all they do is reverse the order of the status effects for each stage and don't touch the visuals, this is exactly what will happen.

Curious_Death

snoozy wrote: »

PLEASE let us finally be good-looking powerful bloodsuckers

after they made werewolfs a disabled by nerf-illness puppies

Thannazzar

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Ri_Khan wrote: »

So you folks still want to have your cake and eat it too... smh.

Well if all they do is reverse the order of the status effects for each stage and don't touch the visuals, this is exactly what will happen.

Looks like those that wish to run true vampires rather than goths with pink-eye can. Love the look of this datamined skin.

https://elderscrolls.net/media/2020/01/aw_crwn_skin_bloodfiend_1x1.jpg

DigitalTemerity

Thannazzar wrote: »

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Ri_Khan wrote: »

So you folks still want to have your cake and eat it too... smh.

Well if all they do is reverse the order of the status effects for each stage and don't touch the visuals, this is exactly what will happen.

Looks like those that wish to run true vampires rather than goths with pink-eye can. Love the look of this datamined skin.

https://elderscrolls.net/media/2020/01/aw_crwn_skin_bloodfiend_1x1.jpg

Yuck

Taloros

To quote myself:

Taloros wrote: »

1.) Appearance.
The vampire skin makes the normal customization almost irrelvant - you look like a burned zombie no matter what. Either change the appearance OR look at the second point:

2.) Feeding/Stages
Vampire powers grow by feeding less. This is completely backwards. It would make much more sense if feeding increases powers, not lessens them. Just switch the stages around - done.

They seem to be doing 2.). Hope they do 1.), too.

Ragged_Claw

Yeah I'm a bit lost because the lore is that 'blood starved' vampires are hated and feared. A well fed vampire looks all rosy cheeked and (mostly) human. I get that they want to have a downside to being more powerful and have no problem with looking gross, my vamp has sat at stage 4 for the last five years so I'm well used to it, but I'm really confused about how the visuals are going to work.

DigitalTemerity

Now that I think about it the skin is a great idea. If they change the way feeding affects a vampire and they are at stage four from feeding more and look more human, they could make everybody happy if they like the feral look all the time by offering the skin...maybe there's some underlying principle I don't understand. I guess Rich in the German Thread said vampires will continue to look uglier the more they feed. The matter is down in stone before asking anybody's opinion. Oh well.

idk

Since they are reversing the mechanics OP should expect that to revers as well. It would make sense that the same level that provide what stage 4 does today would come with a similar appearance. Same with the equivalent of what Stage I provides on live now.

I am just speaking out of logic and we know little about how these changes will actually play out when these changes hit the PTS.

Thevampirenight

idk wrote: »

Since they are reversing the mechanics OP should expect that to revers as well. It would make sense that the same level that provide what stage 4 does today would come with a similar appearance. Same with the equivalent of what Stage I provides on live now.

I am just speaking out of logic and we know little about how these changes will actually play out when these changes hit the PTS.

I'm looking foward to the changes but that would ruin it. I know that vampirism isn't pretty but they better be adding two things fang models. And updating stage three vampire eyes and stage four where it has glowing red eyes with a stage two or stage three veiny look. Way stage four looks now is too terrible. No no they should be overhauling the appearance for them. Or I will be complaining.

Ratzkifal

Thevampirenight wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Since they are reversing the mechanics OP should expect that to revers as well. It would make sense that the same level that provide what stage 4 does today would come with a similar appearance. Same with the equivalent of what Stage I provides on live now.

I am just speaking out of logic and we know little about how these changes will actually play out when these changes hit the PTS.

I'm looking foward to the changes but that would ruin it. I know that vampirism isn't pretty but they better be adding two things fang models. And updating stage three vampire eyes and stage four where it has glowing red eyes with a stage two or stage three veiny look. Way stage four looks now is too terrible. No no they should be overhauling the appearance for them. Or I will be complaining.

@Thevampirenight Rich confirmed in a Bethesda Germany stream today that vampire appearance will not change and that they want your power to correlate with your ugliness, meaning that at your most powerful you are at your most ugly.
This means that the more you feed the uglier you become in the new system.

Ratzkifal

Taloros wrote: »

To quote myself:

Taloros wrote: »

1.) Appearance.
The vampire skin makes the normal customization almost irrelvant - you look like a burned zombie no matter what. Either change the appearance OR look at the second point:

2.) Feeding/Stages
Vampire powers grow by feeding less. This is completely backwards. It would make much more sense if feeding increases powers, not lessens them. Just switch the stages around - done.

They seem to be doing 2.). Hope they do 1.), too.

@Taloros They are certainly not doing 2. even though that is what the lore says they should. (The source of the vampire's power is their affliction, not the blood they drink. The blood is for appearing more human and staying sane)
Rich said today that they are not changing the appearance of vampires and that at your maximized vampiric power, you will also look the most vampiric/ugly. The only thing that's changing is that feeding now makes you look less human instead of more (which is also not how it is in lore).

Thevampirenight

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Since they are reversing the mechanics OP should expect that to revers as well. It would make sense that the same level that provide what stage 4 does today would come with a similar appearance. Same with the equivalent of what Stage I provides on live now.

I am just speaking out of logic and we know little about how these changes will actually play out when these changes hit the PTS.

I'm looking foward to the changes but that would ruin it. I know that vampirism isn't pretty but they better be adding two things fang models. And updating stage three vampire eyes and stage four where it has glowing red eyes with a stage two or stage three veiny look. Way stage four looks now is too terrible. No no they should be overhauling the appearance for them. Or I will be complaining.

@Thevampirenight Rich confirmed in a Bethesda Germany stream today that vampire appearance will not change and that they want your power to correlate with your ugliness, meaning that at your most powerful you are at your most ugly.
This means that the more you feed the uglier you become in the new system.

Well a better looking ugly then the ugly we have now. That is what I insist they do. Because stage 4 looks like trash. It isn't just ugly its trash and the model looks horrible get rid of the starwars corruption look tone down the vein appearance look and make them look like actual vampires.
Stage four should look like this
Or this
Or even like this

jircris11

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

should they sparkle too?

Mine already does due to an armor set effect lmao

Ratzkifal

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Since they are reversing the mechanics OP should expect that to revers as well. It would make sense that the same level that provide what stage 4 does today would come with a similar appearance. Same with the equivalent of what Stage I provides on live now.

I am just speaking out of logic and we know little about how these changes will actually play out when these changes hit the PTS.

I'm looking foward to the changes but that would ruin it. I know that vampirism isn't pretty but they better be adding two things fang models. And updating stage three vampire eyes and stage four where it has glowing red eyes with a stage two or stage three veiny look. Way stage four looks now is too terrible. No no they should be overhauling the appearance for them. Or I will be complaining.

@Thevampirenight Rich confirmed in a Bethesda Germany stream today that vampire appearance will not change and that they want your power to correlate with your ugliness, meaning that at your most powerful you are at your most ugly.
This means that the more you feed the uglier you become in the new system.

Well a better looking ugly then the ugly we have now. That is what I insist they do. Because stage 4 looks like trash. It isn't just ugly its trash and the model looks horrible get rid of the starwars corruption look tone down the vein appearance look and make them look like actual vampires.
Stage four should look like this
Or this
Or even like this

@Thevampirenight Have you already seen the datamined Bloodfiend skin? It looks a lot more like the first pictures from Skyrim vampires you sent. Not sure if it will end up in a crown crate season, but knowing ZO$ it probably will.

Ratzkifal

I find it funny how ZOS manages to make two completely different groups of people unhappy with their changes to vampirism.
The people who liked that feeding would make you weaker as it eases the curse/blessing and source of your power
AND
the people who liked that feeding makes you look more human (because, again, it eases the curse/blessing that makes you look monsterous).

Thevampirenight

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

should they sparkle too?

There was a reason why the Twlight Vampires Sparkled. Their skin was more like Granite/Gem stone based material.
Apparently, the in-universe explanation is that vampires' skin is similar to a precious stone that sparkles in the sunlight.
They didn't sparkle because they were dweebs It was because of the body composition as described on the twilight wiki
Due to the crystalline properties of their cells, when a vampire is exposed to sunlight, their body will sparkle like diamonds.
If they did grant the vampires the ability to sparkle then well they would very very very very hard to kill. They would be op and almost indestructible. Their cells would be like geodes their body would be like granite. I think it takes effort to cut down precious metals and earthly material and the vampires whole body would be just like that.

Indestructibility
Another impressive feature about vampires is their virtual indestructibility. During the transformation process, a vampire's cells become extremely hard, durable, and refractive, rendering their bodies nearly impenetrable. Vampires are noted to be exponentially more durable than "soft" humans. The strength of a vampires skin is described as harder than granite, and even diamond-hard. Their bodies are so hard that they are unable to be harmed by human weapons, and the only creatures capable of killing them are other vampires, or werewolves. Their teeth are also noted to be one of the few things strong enough to be able to cut through their skin, as are werewolf teeth. Because of this indestructibility, it is quite impossible for a vampire to kill himself. As a newborn, Carlisle attempted this in many ways including jumping from atmospheric heights, drowning himself, and starving himself, after all of which he was unharmed.
Also it mentions on the twilight wiki the vampires of that reality . Which is pretty neat as well.
A vampire may not move at all, if need be, and if they stay immobile for several thousand years, they will start showing the appearance of fragility or petrification, though their physical capabilities will remain unchanged.
They can basically act like gargoyles if they wanted too.

So i you wonder why that is possible. Their bodies are like a flexable form of moving rock and geodes.
This is a crystal or Diamond Dragon. Now imagine such material at a cellular level. Then the image below is what their cells would basically look like.




Love or hate Twilight Vampires or think of them as no more then sparkly vampires. Maybe see the lore about them and learn they are actually far more then that. That if you think about it. Mixes the qualities of a Gargoyle or Marble statues like those the ancient greeks and romans used to make of Apollo and other figures and pagon deities and actual vampirism. Along with Geode like properties. This is the reason why the vampires sparkle. But I think they might look far more impressive in the books then they did in the movies. Since they were a bit different. I did read the books when I was younger and I think I seen the first and second movie my mom has the full series. We have that here at home. But I've not seen the forth one I believe.

Anyways elder scrolls vampires are different. They do not have cells that make their bodies more like granite/marble and geode. They are not Gemstone Vampires.

Thevampirenight

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Since they are reversing the mechanics OP should expect that to revers as well. It would make sense that the same level that provide what stage 4 does today would come with a similar appearance. Same with the equivalent of what Stage I provides on live now.

I am just speaking out of logic and we know little about how these changes will actually play out when these changes hit the PTS.

I'm looking foward to the changes but that would ruin it. I know that vampirism isn't pretty but they better be adding two things fang models. And updating stage three vampire eyes and stage four where it has glowing red eyes with a stage two or stage three veiny look. Way stage four looks now is too terrible. No no they should be overhauling the appearance for them. Or I will be complaining.

@Thevampirenight Rich confirmed in a Bethesda Germany stream today that vampire appearance will not change and that they want your power to correlate with your ugliness, meaning that at your most powerful you are at your most ugly.
This means that the more you feed the uglier you become in the new system.

Well a better looking ugly then the ugly we have now. That is what I insist they do. Because stage 4 looks like trash. It isn't just ugly its trash and the model looks horrible get rid of the starwars corruption look tone down the vein appearance look and make them look like actual vampires.
Stage four should look like this
Or this
Or even like this

@Thevampirenight Have you already seen the datamined Bloodfiend skin? It looks a lot more like the first pictures from Skyrim vampires you sent. Not sure if it will end up in a crown crate season, but knowing ZO$ it probably will.

Yeah I seen it, I also seen the hollowfiends on the pts. They do look interesting. I'd rather have that as stage four and when its reversed stage one then what it looks like now.

XomRhoK

I'll just copy my post from another thread:

XomRhoK wrote: »

As i understand from presentation of Greymoor, now will be the more you feed the more monstrous you will look, this is wrong in my opinion, and have no sence. It must stay as it now, more feed more human look.
But i personally prefer monstrous look of my vampire character, so for those like me must be some vampiric skin available through main Greymoor campaign. I personally very like bat-nose Volkihar vampires from TES5: Skyrim, but without mouth scar.


Or, even the better option, after you became a vampire you allowed to adjust you character look through standart character creation UI, but with added options for vampire, like bat-noses, pointy ears, facial folds, eyes. So you can create monstrous vampire look even at stage 1, when you fully fed. In this case all type of players will be satisfied. And to prevent change appearance abuse, character will return to previous appearance when he cured from vampirism.
@ZOS_RichLambert

Saw new bloodfiend skin, don't like it, absolutly not vampiric in my opinion, too dirty, not vampiric eyes, more like soul shriven zombie skin.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Since they are reversing the mechanics OP should expect that to revers as well. It would make sense that the same level that provide what stage 4 does today would come with a similar appearance. Same with the equivalent of what Stage I provides on live now.

I am just speaking out of logic and we know little about how these changes will actually play out when these changes hit the PTS.

I'm looking foward to the changes but that would ruin it. I know that vampirism isn't pretty but they better be adding two things fang models. And updating stage three vampire eyes and stage four where it has glowing red eyes with a stage two or stage three veiny look. Way stage four looks now is too terrible. No no they should be overhauling the appearance for them. Or I will be complaining.

@Thevampirenight Rich confirmed in a Bethesda Germany stream today that vampire appearance will not change and that they want your power to correlate with your ugliness, meaning that at your most powerful you are at your most ugly.
This means that the more you feed the uglier you become in the new system.

Well a better looking ugly then the ugly we have now. That is what I insist they do. Because stage 4 looks like trash. It isn't just ugly its trash and the model looks horrible get rid of the starwars corruption look tone down the vein appearance look and make them look like actual vampires.
Stage four should look like this
Or this
Or even like this

@Thevampirenight Have you already seen the datamined Bloodfiend skin? It looks a lot more like the first pictures from Skyrim vampires you sent. Not sure if it will end up in a crown crate season, but knowing ZO$ it probably will.

Yeah I seen it, I also seen the hollowfiends on the pts. They do look interesting. I'd rather have that as stage four and when its reversed stage one then what it looks like now.

Can you make screenshot of hollowfiend? Can't find it in web. As i understood they from prologue quest, because in dungeon videos i don't saw them.