What build can i use masters lightningstaff for?

Mariusghost84

I was hoping for a bow but got a masters lightning staff in vdsa today. What kind of build can i use it for? Is it any good? I was thinking som kind of a magblade setup or perhaps sorc?

While im at it, what are the most sought after weapons from the vet dragonstar arena?

Integral1900

Maybe a healer or dps with cheap ultimate, makes for a beefy support build

Templar with that dirt cheap spear ultimate or a nightblade like you said

Freind played in a group with that on a Templar healer, combined with a stam sorc with nightmothers. Said they worked very well, the group had loads of extra punch and everything they hit had a major debuff. Could work well on a nightblade dps as the net gain would heavily out weigh the loss of one normal selfish style dps set

Lord-Otto

The staff is useless. But don't throw it away, put it in the bank and hope for a buff.
Master's bow is the best vDSA weapon, IMO.

bol

The only possible use would be to use it with shock clench on magicka sorcerer for thrash pack setup. But I've tried and it does not really work. It seems that force pulse with a fire staff still outperforms since you never get a good enough stack to make it work. Even elemental ring (fire) seems to work a bit better.
Save it in bank. Maybe some day lightning staff will make sense to use for something else but roleplaying, but as it stands now there is no point in using anything but flame staff for magicka dd.

Lughlongarm

It is great for Magicka Wardens and Necros in PVP.

WrathOfInnos

Master Lightning + Perf False Gods + New Moon Acolyte is the best setup for clearing trash in trials and dungeons on Sorc. This relies on your tanks to stack everything close enough for the small radius on Shock Clench splash damage, and you have to tab target something in the middle of the pack since you can’t pick a spot on the ground. If you can’t hit most of the enemies with it then Shock Ring + BRP Staff or a monster then set become a better option.

MattT1988

They used to be fantastic on the backbar for healers. I’d bank it, it could be a decent buff away from being useful again.

Taleof2Cities

Lughlongarm wrote: »

It is great for Magicka Wardens and Necros in PVP.

The stun from Shock Clench was removed by the Scalebreaker Patch, though.

The notable Shock Clench spam players subsequently moved on to something else.

akdave0

Lord-Otto wrote: »

The staff is useless. But don't throw it away, put it in the bank and hope for a buff.
Master's bow is the best vDSA weapon, IMO.

I have the bow on my nb but since retired the character due to nerfs. What 2h pairs well with that type of build?

Cronopoly

Look at Lightning Staff Passives, it tells the tale about it's use. Extra damage to your AOE's

Valykc

Lughlongarm wrote: »

It is great for Magicka Wardens and Necros in PVP.

This^

Yes, the stun was removed but the AoE tooltip is really good In PvP if properly geared for it. It shines on MagDens and MagCros because of their high AoE kit. Deep Fissure+Northern Storm+Shock Clench can hit multiple people very hard. Same can be said for the Necro Combo, Stalking Blastbones+Colossus+Avid Graveyard synergy (or Boneyard, whatever it’s called)+ Shock Clench can wipe multiple people at once.

It’s not as strong on Nightblades because they are mostly single target with their staple high damage skills, same with DK. Templar has jabs so they don’t need shock clench spammable. It’s good on sorc but most of their burst is single target so most sorcs opt for inferno staff for the extra single target damage buff. It’s shines on MagDen and MagCro because of their AoE toolkit which lightning staff buffs. Definitely keep it.

Iskiab

Master Lightning’s probably the best one. I’ve seen a lot of ball group players using it.

Lord-Otto

akdave0 wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

The staff is useless. But don't throw it away, put it in the bank and hope for a buff.
Master's bow is the best vDSA weapon, IMO.

I have the bow on my nb but since retired the character due to nerfs. What 2h pairs well with that type of build?

Any five-piece works, really. Just set up your bars so you don't spend much time on the bow bar. If you have a bit flexibility, sets you need only on one bar work best. Spriggan's, Fury and even New Moon Acolyte come to mind.

akdave0

Lord-Otto wrote: »

akdave0 wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

The staff is useless. But don't throw it away, put it in the bank and hope for a buff.
Master's bow is the best vDSA weapon, IMO.

I have the bow on my nb but since retired the character due to nerfs. What 2h pairs well with that type of build?

Any five-piece works, really. Just set up your bars so you don't spend much time on the bow bar. If you have a bit flexibility, sets you need only on one bar work best. Spriggan's, Fury and even New Moon Acolyte come to mind.

I think I am running shaklebreaker and hundings at the moment. I will look at the others. Thanks!

Mariusghost84

Thanks for the anwsers guys. 👍

WrathOfInnos

I'll also add that it could use a Perfected version, one additional set bonus (Spell Crit please) would go a long way toward making it competitive.

Until then, I still try to make it work on some AoE focused builds. I've since moved away from this setup and swapped to Force Pulse, but I have used the Master Lightning with some success on Navintaas HM speed strat. Logs are all public if you want to look in more detail, but here's the short version:

ccfeeling

Decon item , ZOS lazy to review their works ROFL .

Grianasteri

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I was hoping for a bow but got a masters lightning staff in vdsa today. What kind of build can i use it for? Is it any good? I was thinking som kind of a magblade setup or perhaps sorc?

While im at it, what are the most sought after weapons from the vet dragonstar arena?

A build using Destructive Touch as the spammable, basically. Otherwise its useless.

The Master weapons need to be used in builds that make use of the specific skills being buffed. That is where they come into their own.

The "best" weapons remain those from Veteran Maelstrom. But there are highly effective end game builds that dont use those, for instance a pvp bow/bow build that uses the Assylum and Black Rose Prison Bows.

Iskiab

Grianasteri wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

I was hoping for a bow but got a masters lightning staff in vdsa today. What kind of build can i use it for? Is it any good? I was thinking som kind of a magblade setup or perhaps sorc?

While im at it, what are the most sought after weapons from the vet dragonstar arena?

A build using Destructive Touch as the spammable, basically. Otherwise its useless.

The Master weapons need to be used in builds that make use of the specific skills being buffed. That is where they come into their own.

The "best" weapons remain those from Veteran Maelstrom. But there are highly effective end game builds that dont use those, for instance a pvp bow/bow build that uses the Assylum and Black Rose Prison Bows.

Never decon weapons or dungeon/trial jewellery. Save yourself a world of pain having to refarm stuff.

Anyways, as I said I saw some players in drac using it and hitting for 5k with lightning clench (so spammable aoe) against 30k resists. You have to assume they’re using the weapon set, but I don’t know how they got their damage so high.

fred4

Lughlongarm wrote: »

It is great for Magicka Wardens and Necros in PVP.

This! It turns wardens into AOE monsters. It's probably actually BIS for PvP magdens. The tooltip compares to a single-target spammable, yet it's AOE. Cheap too.

gepe87

I used this staff to get my flawless run.
It's awesome to kill adds: big and cheap aoe(with clench).

Mariusghost84

fred4 wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

It is great for Magicka Wardens and Necros in PVP.

This! It turns wardens into AOE monsters. It's probably actually BIS for PvP magdens. The tooltip compares to a single-target spammable, yet it's AOE. Cheap too.

@fred4 Could you please give me an example of a magwarden build that icludes this staff? Do you perhaps have a link to a build on youtbe or somewhere else?

olsborg

Sadly master staffs are pretty weak these days, they changed the skill they augment. The skill and the master staffs have zero synergies now.

Destructive touch skill had its direct dmg reduced considerably and changed into a dot for the dot meta, then they nerfed the dot meta not long after and reduced the dot dmg considerably, but didnt put the direct dmg portion of the skill to where it was prior.

fred4

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

It is great for Magicka Wardens and Necros in PVP.

This! It turns wardens into AOE monsters. It's probably actually BIS for PvP magdens. The tooltip compares to a single-target spammable, yet it's AOE. Cheap too.

@fred4 Could you please give me an example of a magwarden build that icludes this staff? Do you perhaps have a link to a build on youtbe or somewhere else?

I don't have that staff and currently play my magden single-target with the bear ultimate. If I had the staff, I would probably run something like this build:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=205870

In truth, I never run vamp for role-playing reasons, but using one or the other morph of Drain seems to be the thing to do these days. Since warden lacks a reliable CC, you'll want to time Drain with Fissure and your ult.

Bird of Prey is a tossup between using that or Race Against Time for the snare / root removal or, possibly, Mist Form. Bird of Prey should be the most damage.

I find Living Trellis hard to get away from. I tried playing with just Arctic Blast once, but that ruined my sustain.

The Bull Netch is a personal preference. I like to sustain my stamina that way, since it also works during sprint and block and allows for the occasional dodge roll.

I would only recommend Dampen, not Harness Magicka. Even if it means you need to get sustain elsewhere, the bigger shield is better.

Arctic Blast is questionable, since you'll probably give away CC at the wrong time, but it fits with a group-oriented AOE build. Otherwise I'd use Fetcher Infection in this spot.

Why a resto staff and not 1H + Shield? To activate the berserker enchant from range and as a better (faster) option to restore magicka than the lightning staff. I've also run a vMA resto with Radiating Regeneration on the back bar in the past, in addition to Trellis, while moving Dampen to the front bar, which has the higher magicka and, thus, bigger shield size in that build variation. Dampen on the front bar also tends to play well, but leaves less room for attack skills on that bar.

fred4

The most sought after weapon is probably the bow, by the way. It's been a staple of stamina PvP builds for years, one of those weapons that easily fits into many builds, particularly medium armor ones. A staple for stamblades, stamsorcs, stamplars, anyone who favors aggressive, high mobility playstyles. It typically combines with a Spriggan or New Moon Acolyte front bar.

fred4

olsborg wrote: »

Sadly master staffs are pretty weak these days, they changed the skill they augment. The skill and the master staffs have zero synergies now.

Destructive touch skill had its direct dmg reduced considerably and changed into a dot for the dot meta, then they nerfed the dot meta not long after and reduced the dot dmg considerably, but didnt put the direct dmg portion of the skill to where it was prior.

Except for shock. And it's AOE. And it's seriously cheap. Everyone who makes the above blanket statement isn't playing all classes or maybe isn't PvPing or running vMA. You're probably thinking of the flame staff, but shock staff is meta for wardens and necros due to their AOE capabilities.

phoenixkungfu

Lightning staff is good for any class that can face tank and basically follow 0 line of sight rule and spam while getting long periods of defense. Any class that has healing support skill hot.