Still no 1h / rune or other magicka weapon options - disappointed.

Gnortranermara

Prepare for the incoming lowbie PUGs with S&B and Vampire's Bane. Because you "can." Ugh. I actually carried one of these through vDSA a few weeks back and it's just awful. Now there's going to be more of them.

YandereGirlfriend

The EASY and OBVIOUS change would be to have Elemental Weapon convert your entire attack to Magic Damage and scale off of your Magicka stats (including MCrit and MPen).

Bingo-bango-bongo suddenly Light Attacks scale using your preferred stat pool and Magicka classes are free to use melee weapons with ease!

This one's on the house, ZOS, but you'll have to pay for the next one! xD

Nerouyn

Seraphayel wrote: »

Not skill lines, mini games. It's like lockpicking advanced.

They definitely said there were 2 skill lines associated with it, which would make the mini games easier.

They're probably super boring passives which boost speed or chance of success at the mini games, but in ESO that qualifies as a skill line.

Harrdarrzarr

Stop expecting that ***...
and ffs, what kind of person says "I didn't get what I want, therefore this game isn't play-how-you-want"....

TelvanniWizard

Disgusting... Huge disappointment.

Seraphayel

Nerouyn wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Not skill lines, mini games. It's like lockpicking advanced.

They definitely said there were 2 skill lines associated with it, which would make the mini games easier.

They're probably super boring passives which boost speed or chance of success at the mini games, but in ESO that qualifies as a skill line.

Yeah exactly, when I take about skill lines I am just referring to ones like Psijik and not ones like Legerdemain...

mikemacon

I’m disappointed they didn’t add Apache attack helicopters and lightsabers.

Come on, ZOS!!

Aptonoth

I wish they would just let us mod the game more at this point. I'm sick of not having more weapons.

Kahnak

I cant stop crying about all the things I feel entitled to that I didn't get.

MagicalLija

Morrowind - Class
Summerset - Skill line
Elsweyr - Class


I'm noticing a pattern what did you expect

mav1234

Kahnak wrote: »

I cant stop crying about all the things I feel entitled to that I didn't get.

I can't stop crying about people expressing an interest in seeing a game they care about add features they care about > : (

sounds dumb doesn't it?

AndrejLeo wrote: »

Morrowind - Class
Summerset - Skill line
Elsweyr - Class


I'm noticing a pattern what did you expect

...a skill line. Instead we got a new system that may or may not contain real "skills" ( I am thinking it will be more like what we see from Dark Brotherhood).

mikemacon wrote: »

I’m disappointed they didn’t add Apache attack helicopters and lightsabers.

Come on, ZOS!!

show me where in trailers there is an apache or lightsabers and sure. OTOH, trailers have frequently showed a 1h/spell casting in cinematics. Would love to see that actually be a supported playstyle

TelvanniWizard

mav1234 wrote: »

show me where in trailers there is an apache or lightsabers and sure. OTOH, trailers have frequently showed a 1h/spell casting in cinematics. Would love to see that actually be a supported playstyle

So true, there are even npc´s in the game using the skills, so it isn´t so stupid to expect this skill line, specially when it is sich a popular playstyle.

Goren

I would have returned to the game if they had announced it. It doesn't matter to me if they add new explorable content if the way you experience it stays the same.

Gnortranermara

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

The EASY and OBVIOUS change would be to have Elemental Weapon convert your entire attack to Magic Damage and scale off of your Magicka stats (including MCrit and MPen).

Bingo-bango-bongo suddenly Light Attacks scale using your preferred stat pool and Magicka classes are free to use melee weapons with ease!

This one's on the house, ZOS, but you'll have to pay for the next one! xD

That's a terrible idea, since the classes most interested in melee mag weapons (Templar, DK, Nightblade, and Necro) are the classes that already have their own class spammable. Melee mag weapons would give them a fun front bar weapon to use their class spammable. Forcing all of them into Ele Weapon has the exact opposite effect. Not to mention, Ele Weapon is a clunky ability that depends on unreliable light attacks, which tend to misfire and turn into heavy attacks due to game performance issues. This also fails to fix the heavy attack resource return issue. Not a solution.

Nerouyn

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

That's a terrible idea, since the classes most interested in melee mag weapons (Templar, DK, Nightblade, and Necro) are the classes that already have their own class spammable

You're terribly wrong.

Eormenric

Alright, since nobody else is going to do it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Djlc6uHTVmY

The_Old_Goat

mav1234 wrote: »

It was always false hope to think it honestly might be added, but it would really have been nice for magicka characters to have real access to non-stave weapons. This whole "play ESO how you want" is just not true when weapon lines don't scale "how you want" and the having Rich claim as such on stream is just not fair to potential new players or those of us that have been here a bit longer.

Unless somebody promised you those weapons would be added and then changed at the last minute, you only have yourself to blame for being upset. Nobody said those were coming into the game. Also for that "play ESO how you want" bit, you play it with the tools they give you. Sorry but not sorry if a little honesty sounds cruel to you. Suggestions moving forward, hope for stuff but expect nothing(less disappointment that way).

OffCentred

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

mav1234 wrote: »

It was always false hope to think it honestly might be added, but it would really have been nice for magicka characters to have real access to non-stave weapons. This whole "play ESO how you want" is just not true when weapon lines don't scale "how you want" and the having Rich claim as such on stream is just not fair to potential new players or those of us that have been here a bit longer.

Unless somebody promised you those weapons would be added and then changed at the last minute, you only have yourself to blame for being upset. Nobody said those were coming into the game. Also for that "play ESO how you want" bit, you play it with the tools they give you. Sorry but not sorry if a little honesty sounds cruel to you. Suggestions moving forward, hope for stuff but expect nothing(less disappointment that way).

I don't know if you're new to the ES series as a whole or just condescending, but what's being asked for has been in all previous Elder Scroll games prior. He's not asking for something "new" just stuff that should have been implemented before. 1h+rune was previously in the Elder Scrolls games and opened up a lot of style of play. Spellswords are a thing in every game, as our battlemages, monks and witchhunters. There's no reason why people wouldn't expect that same standard in ESO sooner or later. It irks me that I even have to EQUIP a weapon as my main character in ES games is an Argonian monk giving people the business.

Faulgor

OffCentred wrote: »

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

mav1234 wrote: »

It was always false hope to think it honestly might be added, but it would really have been nice for magicka characters to have real access to non-stave weapons. This whole "play ESO how you want" is just not true when weapon lines don't scale "how you want" and the having Rich claim as such on stream is just not fair to potential new players or those of us that have been here a bit longer.

Unless somebody promised you those weapons would be added and then changed at the last minute, you only have yourself to blame for being upset. Nobody said those were coming into the game. Also for that "play ESO how you want" bit, you play it with the tools they give you. Sorry but not sorry if a little honesty sounds cruel to you. Suggestions moving forward, hope for stuff but expect nothing(less disappointment that way).

I don't know if you're new to the ES series as a whole or just condescending, but what's being asked for has been in all previous Elder Scroll games prior. He's not asking for something "new" just stuff that should have been implemented before. 1h+rune was previously in the Elder Scrolls games and opened up a lot of style of play. Spellswords are a thing in every game, as our battlemages, monks and witchhunters. There's no reason why people wouldn't expect that same standard in ESO sooner or later. It irks me that I even have to EQUIP a weapon as my main character in ES games is an Argonian monk giving people the business.

"Rune" is not a thing in TES.
Morrowind and Oblivion had separate buttons for your equipped spells, just like your skill bar in ESO.
The only game where 1h+spell was represented in that fashion is Skyrim.

But apparently that's not what people are asking for, or they are all asking for different things.
A 1h weapon and a spell is inherently a hybrid layout, not "melee magicka".

Hamish999

Mike Finnigan said on Alcast's post reveal stream that 1 hand and rune and spell crafting isn't happening, it isn't even in their sights.

Thevampirenight

Hamish999 wrote: »

Mike Finnigan said on Alcast's post reveal stream that 1 hand and rune and spell crafting isn't happening, it isn't even in their sights.

Did he say the reason why? *Edit* Well by watching it. They didn't say. But there could be any reason why they are not going through with it. Maybe one day but maybe not any day at all. Depends on what they feel like doing. *Shrugs*

Hamish999

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Mike Finnigan said on Alcast's post reveal stream that 1 hand and rune and spell crafting isn't happening, it isn't even in their sights.

Did he say the reason why? *Edit* Well by watching it. They didn't say. But there could be any reason why they are not going through with it. Maybe one day but maybe not any day at all. Depends on what they feel like doing. *Shrugs*

You must have watched a different video to me then as at the 1 hour 5 minutes and 35 second ish point Alcast asks directly about 1 hand and rune and Mike says "no such thing". No 1hand and rune, no spellcrafting. It is right there from one of the devs.




Edit: or do you mean there is no reason given?

Thevampirenight

Hamish999 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Mike Finnigan said on Alcast's post reveal stream that 1 hand and rune and spell crafting isn't happening, it isn't even in their sights.

Did he say the reason why? *Edit* Well by watching it. They didn't say. But there could be any reason why they are not going through with it. Maybe one day but maybe not any day at all. Depends on what they feel like doing. *Shrugs*

You must have watched a different video to me then as at the 1 hour 5 minutes and 35 second ish point Alcast asks directly about 1 hand and rune and Mike says "no such thing". No 1hand and rune, no spellcrafting. It is right there from one of the devs.




Edit: or do you mean there is no reason given?

Yeah I meant no reason given for why its not on the table. Spell Crafting at least I believe has a good reason like balancing and putting it into the game and other issues like that. The one hand, rune I don't know why they wouldn't do that one but could be because they don't see the need in it or some other reason or it didn't cross their minds to do it.

Hamish999

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Mike Finnigan said on Alcast's post reveal stream that 1 hand and rune and spell crafting isn't happening, it isn't even in their sights.

Did he say the reason why? *Edit* Well by watching it. They didn't say. But there could be any reason why they are not going through with it. Maybe one day but maybe not any day at all. Depends on what they feel like doing. *Shrugs*

You must have watched a different video to me then as at the 1 hour 5 minutes and 35 second ish point Alcast asks directly about 1 hand and rune and Mike says "no such thing". No 1hand and rune, no spellcrafting. It is right there from one of the devs.




Edit: or do you mean there is no reason given?

Yeah I meant no reason given for why its not on the table. Spell Crafting at least I believe has a good reason like balancing and putting it into the game and other issues like that. The one hand, rune I don't know why they wouldn't do that one but could be because they don't see the need in it or some other reason or it didn't cross their minds to do it.

Ah ok, my bad then.
Maybe due to proper 1 hand and rune being a hybrid and hybrid builds are a bit niche and not widely used, just speculating :shrug:

TheNuminous1

I love how the people making the game dont listen at all when we tell them point blank what we would enjoy and would throw money at.

We will throw money at 1h/rune
Or basically any new magicka options for weapons.

So for them to say "no not a thing"

THEN FREAKING MAKE IT A THING
its a digital world you control and create.

CREATE IT. MAKE IT. THROW YOUR MONEY AT IT TO HAVE IT DEVELOPED. WE WILL THROW MORE BACK AT YOU FOR DOING SO.

Faulgor

Hamish999 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Mike Finnigan said on Alcast's post reveal stream that 1 hand and rune and spell crafting isn't happening, it isn't even in their sights.

Did he say the reason why? *Edit* Well by watching it. They didn't say. But there could be any reason why they are not going through with it. Maybe one day but maybe not any day at all. Depends on what they feel like doing. *Shrugs*

You must have watched a different video to me then as at the 1 hour 5 minutes and 35 second ish point Alcast asks directly about 1 hand and rune and Mike says "no such thing". No 1hand and rune, no spellcrafting. It is right there from one of the devs.




Edit: or do you mean there is no reason given?

lmao no CP system revamp this year either. Incredible.

They are resting this whole year on digging dirt, I can't believe it.

Maxx7410

I think we wont see 1h/rune/spellcrafting etc until they make a BIG game change if that is done of course, last year thay were tryng to "balance" the game and well we the game players didnt like it at all IF you implement, for example runes for equipments or spellcrafting, that have the potential to make BIG winers and losers WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IS FINE!!! if not we wont recive ANYTHING ever. So the only way that i see them implementing those changes is in a big game makeover like one Tamriel and no in small parts that will ALWAYS BE RESISTED.

OffCentred

Faulgor wrote: »

OffCentred wrote: »

The_Old_Goat wrote: »

mav1234 wrote: »

It was always false hope to think it honestly might be added, but it would really have been nice for magicka characters to have real access to non-stave weapons. This whole "play ESO how you want" is just not true when weapon lines don't scale "how you want" and the having Rich claim as such on stream is just not fair to potential new players or those of us that have been here a bit longer.

Unless somebody promised you those weapons would be added and then changed at the last minute, you only have yourself to blame for being upset. Nobody said those were coming into the game. Also for that "play ESO how you want" bit, you play it with the tools they give you. Sorry but not sorry if a little honesty sounds cruel to you. Suggestions moving forward, hope for stuff but expect nothing(less disappointment that way).

I don't know if you're new to the ES series as a whole or just condescending, but what's being asked for has been in all previous Elder Scroll games prior. He's not asking for something "new" just stuff that should have been implemented before. 1h+rune was previously in the Elder Scrolls games and opened up a lot of style of play. Spellswords are a thing in every game, as our battlemages, monks and witchhunters. There's no reason why people wouldn't expect that same standard in ESO sooner or later. It irks me that I even have to EQUIP a weapon as my main character in ES games is an Argonian monk giving people the business.

"Rune" is not a thing in TES.
Morrowind and Oblivion had separate buttons for your equipped spells, just like your skill bar in ESO.
The only game where 1h+spell was represented in that fashion is Skyrim.

But apparently that's not what people are asking for, or they are all asking for different things.
A 1h weapon and a spell is inherently a hybrid layout, not "melee magicka".

Lol oh man, good call out. I'm thinking of offhand items like the torch ^_^". The point I was trying to make was that hybrids building should be a thing that's viable. Even if that won't be done because of cost vs benefit (money talks) they should at least have implement a way for for magic based characters to do weapon damage besides a staff. It may not be a true hybrid class but at least it looks the part of the ones from the previous games. Also, I can not stress enough how much unarmed should be a real thing. Even in Skyrim where they the unarmed tree out, there were still ways to improve the damage you did with enchants and gear.

Hamish999

Faulgor wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Mike Finnigan said on Alcast's post reveal stream that 1 hand and rune and spell crafting isn't happening, it isn't even in their sights.

Did he say the reason why? *Edit* Well by watching it. They didn't say. But there could be any reason why they are not going through with it. Maybe one day but maybe not any day at all. Depends on what they feel like doing. *Shrugs*

You must have watched a different video to me then as at the 1 hour 5 minutes and 35 second ish point Alcast asks directly about 1 hand and rune and Mike says "no such thing". No 1hand and rune, no spellcrafting. It is right there from one of the devs.




Edit: or do you mean there is no reason given?

lmao no CP system revamp this year either. Incredible.

They are resting this whole year on digging dirt, I can't believe it.

The CP revamp have always been a very long term thing, never once has it been suggested it would be this year.

Darkstorne

Hamish999 wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Mike Finnigan said on Alcast's post reveal stream that 1 hand and rune and spell crafting isn't happening, it isn't even in their sights.

Did he say the reason why? *Edit* Well by watching it. They didn't say. But there could be any reason why they are not going through with it. Maybe one day but maybe not any day at all. Depends on what they feel like doing. *Shrugs*

You must have watched a different video to me then as at the 1 hour 5 minutes and 35 second ish point Alcast asks directly about 1 hand and rune and Mike says "no such thing". No 1hand and rune, no spellcrafting. It is right there from one of the devs.




Edit: or do you mean there is no reason given?

lmao no CP system revamp this year either. Incredible.

They are resting this whole year on digging dirt, I can't believe it.

The CP revamp have always been a very long term thing, never once has it been suggested it would be this year.

Sure, but when they first announced the pause in CP increases and a future rework, I don't think any of us anticipated 2+ years of waiting for a new end game system here...

Regarding Finn and the "no 1h+rune" comment, he said "it's not a thing" in relation to this year's Chapter. He didn't rule out ever doing it, just confirmed it's not happening this year. So we should all continue efforts to keep it a front-page issue if enough of us want to see more weapon and build diversity for all classes in the future