Fossilize spam, please no

ArgoCye

So, even with immunity DKs can cc you constantly on ps4. I get that mag DKs needed a buff, but really? a perma cc?

ArgoCye

It’s even fossilizes my shade. Might dust off my DK. suddenly OP.

MerguezMan

Would you prefer Turn Evil or Vampire Drain spamming ?

From last battlegrounds, I see very little difference.

iCaliban

Ccs cannot be spammed. You have 6 seconds of immunity post break free.

jircris11

As iCaliban said, you have a 6 second immunity after being cc'd

Oreyn_Bearclaw

I wonder if there might be some confusion about how CCs work. You have CC immunity for approx 6 seconds. The problem with DKs (not saying it's unbalanced, just something you need to be aware of), is that good ones sprinkle in a mix of hard CCs (fossilize) requiring you to break free and soft CCs (talons) requiring you to roll dodge. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference. Lets be honest, cyrodiil performance is an issue.

If you are getting fossilized, immediately breaking free, and getting fossilized immediately after, then something is not working as intended, and you should submit a bug report and show some video. That said, I doubt that is what is happening.

Also, I am ashamed I dont know this, but I believe to trigger CC immunity, you actually have to break free. In other words if you get fossilized and let the skll run its course, I think you can be fossilzed immediately again. Someone correct me if I am wrong on that. I have done a lot of stupid stuff in this game, but never have I just stood there without breaking free while fighting a DK. Haha

devilsTear

Huh that's funny, my fossilize doesn't even work half the time, the sounds there but nothing happens.
Also console

Danksta

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I wonder if there might be some confusion about how CCs work. You have CC immunity for approx 6 seconds. The problem with DKs (not saying it's unbalanced, just something you need to be aware of), is that good ones sprinkle in a mix of hard CCs (fossilize) requiring you to break free and soft CCs (talons) requiring you to roll dodge. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference. Lets be honest, cyrodiil performance is an issue.

If you are getting fossilized, immediately breaking free, and getting fossilized immediately after, then something is not working as intended, and you should submit a bug report and show some video. That said, I doubt that is what is happening.

Also, I am ashamed I dont know this, but I believe to trigger CC immunity, you actually have to break free. In other words if you get fossilized and let the skll run its course, I think you can be fossilzed immediately again. Someone correct me if I am wrong on that. I have done a lot of stupid stuff in this game, but never have I just stood there without breaking free while fighting a DK. Haha

Correct, you do have to break CC to gain immunity.

luen79rwb17_ESO

This ability is waaaaaay too good. It's very close to being broken. Having BOTH CCs
(hard and then soft) on a single click is way too good.

People Say o yeah break out and roll out of it. Gee thanks for the obvious. The problem is that after doing that, you lose like 60% of your stam for magicka setups. That means that most likely you're gonna be screwed for the next cooldown.

This skill needs to be balanced. It has got to have a tradeoff of some sort.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Danksta wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I wonder if there might be some confusion about how CCs work. You have CC immunity for approx 6 seconds. The problem with DKs (not saying it's unbalanced, just something you need to be aware of), is that good ones sprinkle in a mix of hard CCs (fossilize) requiring you to break free and soft CCs (talons) requiring you to roll dodge. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference. Lets be honest, cyrodiil performance is an issue.

If you are getting fossilized, immediately breaking free, and getting fossilized immediately after, then something is not working as intended, and you should submit a bug report and show some video. That said, I doubt that is what is happening.

Also, I am ashamed I dont know this, but I believe to trigger CC immunity, you actually have to break free. In other words if you get fossilized and let the skll run its course, I think you can be fossilzed immediately again. Someone correct me if I am wrong on that. I have done a lot of stupid stuff in this game, but never have I just stood there without breaking free while fighting a DK. Haha

Correct, you do have to break CC to gain immunity.

Thanks, @Danksta . That's what I thought, just didnt want to give bad info. I mean CC break is just a reflex at this point. Don't even think about when I do it.

Mr_Walker

Too much CC in this game.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Mr_Walker wrote: »

Too much CC in this game.

I have definitely felt that way many times in the past. Also pretty hard to argue against the fact that Fossilize is the strongest of the bunch.

Let's be honest, rune cage was game breaking back in the day when it functioned essentially the same but with a longer range. Certainly the range was part of the problem, but the unblockable/undodable hard CC was the elephant in the room. The elephant is still here...

WreckfulAbandon

If magDK's don't complain about immovable pots in duels then I have no complaints about Fossilize.

Abyssmol

MerguezMan wrote: »

Would you prefer Turn Evil or Vampire Drain spamming ?

From last battlegrounds, I see very little difference.

Well for one, Turn Evil and Vamp Drain you break the CC and continue fighting/ defending. With fossilize, you break free and then you either rolldodge or cleanse. Two actions and 2 seconds GCD before you can do anything. So the answer is yes I would rather have Turn Evil or Vamp Drain spamming. Thank you...

JumpmanLane

As a DK main it’s easy to spot inexperienced players (potatoes) with this one skill, Fossilize.

Good players are up and out of it as soon as you put it on them. Bad players, if you get it on them and they’re at 1/4 health they are dead. Lol.

There’s plenty of counters to the skill: immovables, immunity, various snare removers etc. There’s been plenty of nerfs to the skill: range, cost, distance...

Simply, the skill CANNOT be spammed. Few people run talons, it’s so costly. Talons, Fossilize, flame lash, powerlash leap is a very basic combo most MagDk’s learn at the outset. As a noob MagDk dueling and learning from one of the best MagDk’s PcNA, that combo gave me fits lol. Eventually, I learned to manage my Stam and get up and out of it. It’s something you got to learn.

Nerflings can beg ZOS for nerfs all they want. In the end though, you gotta learn... at some point.

Iskiab

Danksta wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I wonder if there might be some confusion about how CCs work. You have CC immunity for approx 6 seconds. The problem with DKs (not saying it's unbalanced, just something you need to be aware of), is that good ones sprinkle in a mix of hard CCs (fossilize) requiring you to break free and soft CCs (talons) requiring you to roll dodge. Sometimes it can be hard to tell the difference. Lets be honest, cyrodiil performance is an issue.

If you are getting fossilized, immediately breaking free, and getting fossilized immediately after, then something is not working as intended, and you should submit a bug report and show some video. That said, I doubt that is what is happening.

Also, I am ashamed I dont know this, but I believe to trigger CC immunity, you actually have to break free. In other words if you get fossilized and let the skll run its course, I think you can be fossilzed immediately again. Someone correct me if I am wrong on that. I have done a lot of stupid stuff in this game, but never have I just stood there without breaking free while fighting a DK. Haha

Correct, you do have to break CC to gain immunity.

There’s the problem. Break free doesn’t always work well, the cc immunity should be applied when you’re cc’d and not when you break free.

The game handles break free poorly. If you’re stunned and then stunned from other sources break free doesn’t work. It has nothing to do with the player, it’s poor design. Have multiple stuns on you and you can break free 3+ times, it’ll eat the 16k stamina, and do nothing.

ArchMikem

jircris11 wrote: »

As iCaliban said, you have a 6 second immunity after being cc'd

And people can do a lot in 6 seconds. I didn't even know the immunity was just 6 seconds, in the heat of the moment it always feels longer than that.