MagDk advise

zrazmab16_ESO

Hi guys,

At moment am running on my magdk:
x5 Burning spell weave body
Mark of pariah weapons and jewelry
Valkyn skoria monster set.

Cp mag regen is 1.7k, no cp 1.5k,
dormant spell dmg is 1.7k, 2k with major sorcery + ~800 bsw and weapon dmg enchant.
In cp with volatile and pariah while at 100% health I sit at 39k spell resist and 34k armor resist.

Now thats the question, it is really tanky setup and I can still kill alot of players, but is it the over the top with pariah,maybe there is a bit better optimal set to swap for? How would vampires cloack 8% damage reduction would compare to pariah?

I still meet people who slice through me like a butter in seconds, and I can’t wear them down as all they need is one or two heals and their back to full health.
Of course I see where this comes from as well as my spell dmg is quote low and my heals are not as effective, compared to those people who speck for high weapon/spell damage. Should I focus to build more spell damage instead of resistance and try mitigate incoming damage with better healing?

Zer0_CooL

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

I still meet people who slice through me like a butter in seconds...

As long there is an Ultimate that ignores 80% of your resistance, you'll always find an enemy that will slice you up regardless of your resistance.

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

Should I focus to build more spell damage instead of resistance and try mitigate incoming damage with better healing?

To say what you should or shouldn't is beyond my capability. Since it depends on your playstile.I for my self testet quiet a while with diferent sets and skills, and found it better to run a decent heal instead of heavy armor or a defence 5pcs set.

This is my build, and it works pretty well. Yet it is no imortal build nor am i 1vx-ing.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=187873https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=187873

Edit: CPs might not be correct, i changed them a few times.
Edit2: I used to run pariah for a long time, and its really strong. If you want to mitigate damage reagrdles of resistance, you might want to have a look at the buffer of the swift. Or iron blood set, though i never tested it and the snare seems like a big downside.

zrazmab16_ESO

I do like the pariah and it performs for me way better than two offensive sets like bsw and clever alch combined. Just wondering as well how much is enough of resistances, what do i get out of them by going above cap. Used to run bloodspawn instead of valkyn, bet that was overkill 🤔

Zer0_CooL

Well in PvP there is no actual resistance cap, but i think you're doing fairly well with 30k. Well i was running both pariah and bloodspawn (46k resistance on 2%HP) but that was an other patch. Now i would agree, it's an overkill.

If you run two damage sets and a defensive monster set, you tend to lack of sustain and you probably need to slot more heals or morphs with additional healing (cauterize, flame lash).
If you run as much resistance as you do now, it goes on cost of your damage output.

I really recommend you to test it your own. It sure needs some patience and sometimes a bit gold but it pays out.

KillsAllElves

Burning hair weave

relentless_turnip

I found Buffer of the swift to be very effective defensive set with NMA(or a damage set of your choice) I like TK on this build so i can run FOO and use structured entopy over embers to proc TK this is my favourite set up, especially no cp.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=196057

I have also ran NMA with succession and S&B and two seperate pieces for extra defence i like this too just not as much as the first.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=198409

I use pots on both for a source of Major Sorcery on both builds.

I hope it helps!

zrazmab16_ESO

Hmm, thats very interesting. Will definitely try out buffer against pariah. How does succession uptime compare against bsw? Does it have to be on cooldown for 4 sec after proc effect ends?

Zer0_CooL

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I found Buffer of the swift to be very effective defensive set with NMA(or a damage set of your choice) I like TK on this build so i can run FOO and use structured entopy over embers to proc TK this is my favourite set up, especially no cp.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=196057

I have also ran NMA with succession and S&B and two seperate pieces for extra defence i like this too just not as much as the first.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=198409

I use pots on both for a source of Major Sorcery on both builds.

I hope it helps!

No frost staff BB?

relentless_turnip

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I found Buffer of the swift to be very effective defensive set with NMA(or a damage set of your choice) I like TK on this build so i can run FOO and use structured entopy over embers to proc TK this is my favourite set up, especially no cp.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=196057

I have also ran NMA with succession and S&B and two seperate pieces for extra defence i like this too just not as much as the first.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=198409

I use pots on both for a source of Major Sorcery on both builds.

I hope it helps!

No frost staff BB?[/

I have tried it, I just hate blocking with magicka...

I much prefer a flame staff and keeping my resources seperate, that's just preference though

relentless_turnip

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

Hmm, thats very interesting. Will definitely try out buffer against pariah. How does succession uptime compare against bsw? Does it have to be on cooldown for 4 sec after proc effect ends?

I have the same setup with BSW, but succession is better for up time and when it's down it still does more damage than BSW.


It won't buff your heals though...

Zer0_CooL

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I much prefer a flame staff and keeping my resources seperate, that's just preference though

Just remove the skillpoints from the 1st passive skill.

relentless_turnip

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

I much prefer a flame staff and keeping my resources seperate, that's just preference though

Just remove the skillpoints from the 1st passive skill.

Haha it has never occurred to me to do that

Thank you for that, I will get my frost staff out of my bank

Haquor

BSW, shacklebreaker and bloodspawn.

Ive played around with a lot and i find with the right food and glyphs (dunmer) that i have a good balance of sustain, damage and survivability.

Buffs that directly reduce incoming damage are better than straight resistance from armour.

Vildebill

Bloodspawn is a must in my opinion and enables usage of two damage sets, and cover sustain with drain and regen glyph if needed.

nublife01

Spam broken cc skill into burst rotation. Sometimes derp dragon leap after spamming fossilize/burst rotation. Profit.

devilsTear

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

zrazmab16_ESO

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

devilsTear

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

Believe this build is far from squishy, dueling is borderline broken that even good magplars can't keep healing and purging and open world it performs excellent.
Magdk is best when playing aggressively imho.

Healing is insane and even though my regen seems low its really not with double burning procs, vma resto, tri pot and battle roar.
I personally still prefer flame lash but I'm a magdk main since console launch so I may be to set in my ways haha

I did try spinners too in stead of bsw but I go bsw because of the healing.

I'm working on some clips to put on YouTube but I don't have much time to play due to work and stuff so that may take a while.

Vanzen

Shackle/Brighthroat/Skoria 5L

snb/flamestaff

All triglyphs Jewels as well

And the trick is a max tri stat drink instead of witchmother to go with BT

Stats are insane even in no cp.

Never got better and easier set up to play with

NBrookus

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

Novice DK? Flame Lash.
Feel like you aren't healing enough? Flame Lash
Comfortable setting up a fairly long combo just to get off a single skill proc? Molten
Having trouble finishing opponents? Molten

JumpmanLane

Spinner’s Succession 1 Domihaus, 1 Kena. SnB Ice Staff. Undo. Prismatic on everything. Witchmother’s. Arcane spell damage jewels. Drop fools.

JumpmanLane

devilsTear wrote: »

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

Believe this build is far from squishy, dueling is borderline broken that even good magplars can't keep healing and purging and open world it performs excellent.
Magdk is best when playing aggressively imho.

Healing is insane and even though my regen seems low its really not with double burning procs, vma resto, tri pot and battle roar.
I personally still prefer flame lash but I'm a magdk main since console launch so I may be to set in my ways haha

I did try spinners too in stead of bsw but I go bsw because of the healing.

I'm working on some clips to put on YouTube but I don't have much time to play due to work and stuff so that may take a while.

Yo I’ve been thinking about trying BSW Succession. Lol. Put together some clips!

JumpmanLane

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

Hmm, thats very interesting. Will definitely try out buffer against pariah. How does succession uptime compare against bsw? Does it have to be on cooldown for 4 sec after proc effect ends?

No. It runs 4 seconds and as soon as it ends it comes right back up next flame skill.

Plus, say embers ticks, that’ll bring it back up lol.

relentless_turnip

Vildebill wrote: »

Bloodspawn is a must in my opinion and enables usage of two damage sets, and cover sustain with drain and regen glyph if needed.

Must people love bloodspawn and I do think it is a good set

JumpmanLane wrote: »

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

Hmm, thats very interesting. Will definitely try out buffer against pariah. How does succession uptime compare against bsw? Does it have to be on cooldown for 4 sec after proc effect ends?

No. It runs 4 seconds and as soon as it ends it comes right back up next flame skill.

Plus, say embers ticks, that’ll bring it back up lol.

I completely agree, you are i rarely see it down. you would be unlucky to hit someone while it was down.

relentless_turnip

JumpmanLane wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

Believe this build is far from squishy, dueling is borderline broken that even good magplars can't keep healing and purging and open world it performs excellent.
Magdk is best when playing aggressively imho.

Healing is insane and even though my regen seems low its really not with double burning procs, vma resto, tri pot and battle roar.
I personally still prefer flame lash but I'm a magdk main since console launch so I may be to set in my ways haha

I did try spinners too in stead of bsw but I go bsw because of the healing.

I'm working on some clips to put on YouTube but I don't have much time to play due to work and stuff so that may take a while.

Yo I’ve been thinking about trying BSW Succession. Lol. Put together some clips!

I've built this... It hits like absolute truck, What i don't like is how RNG combat becomes.

If it all lines up i have crit a player in no cp for 16k, a mob overland i have crit close to 44k.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=202051

JumpmanLane

relentless_turnip wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

Believe this build is far from squishy, dueling is borderline broken that even good magplars can't keep healing and purging and open world it performs excellent.
Magdk is best when playing aggressively imho.

Healing is insane and even though my regen seems low its really not with double burning procs, vma resto, tri pot and battle roar.
I personally still prefer flame lash but I'm a magdk main since console launch so I may be to set in my ways haha

I did try spinners too in stead of bsw but I go bsw because of the healing.

I'm working on some clips to put on YouTube but I don't have much time to play due to work and stuff so that may take a while.

Yo I’ve been thinking about trying BSW Succession. Lol. Put together some clips!

I've built this... It hits like absolute truck, What i don't like is how RNG combat becomes.

If it all lines up i have crit a player in no cp for 16k, a mob overland i have crit close to 44k.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=202051

Hmmm. That’s good to know. I hate RNG combat. 15% was a lot of uptime on other sets tho. Since it’s easier to farm than Succession was I might test it.

Hey thanks for the link!

That’s a solid build. I think I’d run Degen instead of wings. And flame lash instead of molten. And Ice Staff instead of inferno. But I like it. Thanks so much.

Edited:
Tho the way you running it with wings inferno might be all right. Particularly since it’s proc everything...VERY solid.

relentless_turnip

JumpmanLane wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

Believe this build is far from squishy, dueling is borderline broken that even good magplars can't keep healing and purging and open world it performs excellent.
Magdk is best when playing aggressively imho.

Healing is insane and even though my regen seems low its really not with double burning procs, vma resto, tri pot and battle roar.
I personally still prefer flame lash but I'm a magdk main since console launch so I may be to set in my ways haha

I did try spinners too in stead of bsw but I go bsw because of the healing.

I'm working on some clips to put on YouTube but I don't have much time to play due to work and stuff so that may take a while.

Yo I’ve been thinking about trying BSW Succession. Lol. Put together some clips!

I've built this... It hits like absolute truck, What i don't like is how RNG combat becomes.

If it all lines up i have crit a player in no cp for 16k, a mob overland i have crit close to 44k.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=202051

Hmmm. That’s good to know. I hate RNG combat. 15% was a lot of uptime on other sets tho. Since it’s easier to farm than Succession was I might test it.

Hey thanks for the link!

That’s a solid build. I think I’d run Degen instead of wings. And flame lash instead of molten. And Ice Staff instead of inferno. But I like it. Thanks so much.

Edited:
Tho the way you running it with wings inferno might be all right. Particularly since it’s proc everything...VERY solid.

It's only RNG in terms of it all lining up, the berserker glyph is only active 50%of the time

Your average damage is really good and you'd be pretty unlucky to not have at least one set active.

The inferno staff is to ensure maximum up time on both sets, though ice staff with a flame glyph might work

I get major sorcery from pots as I find dragon scale wings irreplaceable as a counter to anyone ranged.
I did used to run degen before slotting RAT, but again once you have major expedition and minor force on a magdk its hard to let go

I used to run flame lash, i switched to molten 4 months a go.
It hits as hard as leap does so when you land both most people are dead.
Flame lash is still a great morph though if you feel you need the heal and it takes some getting used to it when its gone.
Shattering rocks instead of fossilize might make you feel more comfortable with the trade.

devilsTear

JumpmanLane wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

Believe this build is far from squishy, dueling is borderline broken that even good magplars can't keep healing and purging and open world it performs excellent.
Magdk is best when playing aggressively imho.

Healing is insane and even though my regen seems low its really not with double burning procs, vma resto, tri pot and battle roar.
I personally still prefer flame lash but I'm a magdk main since console launch so I may be to set in my ways haha

I did try spinners too in stead of bsw but I go bsw because of the healing.

I'm working on some clips to put on YouTube but I don't have much time to play due to work and stuff so that may take a while.

Yo I’ve been thinking about trying BSW Succession. Lol. Put together some clips!

I'm gonna try and get some good fights this weekend but the way cyrodiil is now that's not gonna happen lol ps4 eu is a bloody mess at the moment.

I run the bsw/succession build differently but I dunno if I can use that build site on my phone lol I guess I can just type everything tho 😂

Abyssmol

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

Hmm, thats very interesting. Will definitely try out buffer against pariah. How does succession uptime compare against bsw? Does it have to be on cooldown for 4 sec after proc effect ends?

I don't know if it has anything to do with being a Vamp. But, after playing with both sets I've found out that Pariah works better than swift.

I would love to hear other people's opinions about which set is better for pvp...

JumpmanLane

devilsTear wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

Believe this build is far from squishy, dueling is borderline broken that even good magplars can't keep healing and purging and open world it performs excellent.
Magdk is best when playing aggressively imho.

Healing is insane and even though my regen seems low its really not with double burning procs, vma resto, tri pot and battle roar.
I personally still prefer flame lash but I'm a magdk main since console launch so I may be to set in my ways haha

I did try spinners too in stead of bsw but I go bsw because of the healing.

I'm working on some clips to put on YouTube but I don't have much time to play due to work and stuff so that may take a while.

Yo I’ve been thinking about trying BSW Succession. Lol. Put together some clips!

I'm gonna try and get some good fights this weekend but the way cyrodiil is now that's not gonna happen lol ps4 eu is a bloody mess at the moment.

I run the bsw/succession build differently but I dunno if I can use that build site on my phone lol I guess I can just type everything tho 😂

Lol I can’t use it on my phone so good either. Love to see it tho.

relentless_turnip

JumpmanLane wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

zrazmab16_ESO wrote: »

devilsTear wrote: »

Put on Bloodspawn/bsw/succession and a vma resto back bar and go to town in cyro shredding through everyone and everything.




Why does the pic don't work?

https://imgur.com/gallery/tCDwY0n

Not how I have it now, stats are better now but I don't have a pic yet.

Flame lash or molten since it’s quite squishy set up?

Believe this build is far from squishy, dueling is borderline broken that even good magplars can't keep healing and purging and open world it performs excellent.
Magdk is best when playing aggressively imho.

Healing is insane and even though my regen seems low its really not with double burning procs, vma resto, tri pot and battle roar.
I personally still prefer flame lash but I'm a magdk main since console launch so I may be to set in my ways haha

I did try spinners too in stead of bsw but I go bsw because of the healing.

I'm working on some clips to put on YouTube but I don't have much time to play due to work and stuff so that may take a while.

Yo I’ve been thinking about trying BSW Succession. Lol. Put together some clips!

I'm gonna try and get some good fights this weekend but the way cyrodiil is now that's not gonna happen lol ps4 eu is a bloody mess at the moment.

I run the bsw/succession build differently but I dunno if I can use that build site on my phone lol I guess I can just type everything tho 😂

Lol I can’t use it on my phone so good either. Love to see it tho.

You can use it on your phone, you have to change the site off of mobile site.... I can't remember how I did this though 😂