AP cost to "Home" a campaign when none is set as "Home"

CleymenZero

Seriously? My character doesn't have any campaign as its home campaign and I have to pay 150k AP to "Home" that campaign that I just faction-locked?

Seems like something was overlooked when they did the faction-lock. There is no way this is intended, it makes no sense.

Ffs...

Kel

What?
Got a screen shot?

I mistakenly played on Kaal for a good 20 minutes before I realized that I didn't home that campaign on that character, but I WAS already locked to it.
I didn't have to pay anything.

It's not that I don't believe you, but I'm just saying this isn't a universal problem, and you may be looking at a bug here. That certainly wasn't the case for me. Might want to send in that screenshot in a support ticket.
That's definitely not normal.

CleymenZero

It happens if your campaign was the other one the month before and is now locked to another alliance.

I'll post a screenshot tonight by trying on my other reds but I paid it on this toon....

Asked customer service for a refund, they said they couldn't help with that...

Nordic__Knights

I switch campaigns every 3 months and aint never had to pay to change it as long as you dont log into pvp on an different toon then the 1 your wanting to main that month and set it up BEFORE going into pvp area so this seems odd to me but maybe your mistake of going into campaign 1st done something here wouldn't know because ive always set beforehand

SweepsAllClowns

I think Zenimax should add some battleground type campaign deserter penalty for abandoning the home campaign, probably one week first and perhaps adjusting it to few weeks later on, also would approve some bonus ap cost definitely and maybe some additional penalties. Zenimax makes online gaming better for players and these quality of life or whatever improvements are sure "killing it" as they've hyped us for the paying customers.

CleymenZero

You change campaign on your 16 characters every 3 months? I did 3 months ago but haven't played my reds in a minute. Wanted to play overland with a buddy of mine last night when I realized this was happening.

It also depends at what point into it is. We're more than halfway into it so that's why I think there is a cost but the issue is: I HAVE NO HOME CAMPAIGN why would it still count this toon as having Kaal as its main when it can't even enter it?

TequilaFire

Even though none of my characters were in Cyrodiil at end of campaign I had to abandon campaign on each one of them at 100K ap each before I could switch alliance. 500K ap total.
And no I had not entered Cyrodiil at campaign end on any character.
This was PS4 NA.

SweepsAllClowns

TequilaFire wrote: »

500K ap total. And no I had not entered Cyrodiil at campaign end on any character.

I'm sure you still felt the cost was well worth what you get in return, it's more like you're allowed to pay for the good cause than some penalty handed to you genorously!

virtus753

There was a known bug several months ago where many characters did not receive the hidden free home campaign change token as they should have. The devs said they took action to fix it on that occasion, but not before quite a few people had spent hundreds of thousands of AP for something that should have been free.

I’ve heard of several times since then that particular characters seem to get this bug again. I don’t know if it’s because they were never fixed the first time or because the bug is back but less widespread.

It’s a real shame Support won’t rectify the situation after the fact. It emphasizes the need for the devs need to go back and review this bug to see if they failed to award every character the right token that one time or whether this is a recurring bug that needs a better fix.

CleymenZero

SweepsAllClowns wrote: »

I think Zenimax should add some battleground type campaign deserter penalty for abandoning the home campaign, probably one week first and perhaps adjusting it to few weeks later on, also would approve some bonus ap cost definitely and maybe some additional penalties. Zenimax makes online gaming better for players and these quality of life or whatever improvements are sure "killing it" as they've hyped us for the paying customers.

Great, a faction zealot who can't objectively recognize that there is a bug that requires attention.

Regardless of your devotion to wtv faction you care about, this is still a thing that was overlooked. There was no home campaign on this toon therefore nothing chosen (because it was blocked by another toon in another faction) so there shouldn't be a cost.

If it's at the beginning of the month, there isn't a cost but past some point in the month, there is a cost because it soft-locks your toon to "Home" the campaign you had "Home" 'd 2 months ago. Do... you understand the mechanics at play?

What that means is that they retained the "soft-lock" mechanics that was in play before where the toon's Home campaign couldn't be swapped after a certain point THEN added the faction lock. But if you don't play a specific toon for a while that character is locked. It has no place, it was overlooked and it doesn't make sense. I got 16 characters split in different factions and I like playing most of them and follow my friends into their faction.

Now we got skeeter asking for public executions for those whose dare switch factions.... Relax man....

I got some friends who play blue and some who play red. The blues don't really care about faction but the reds swear by it for some stupid reason so we switched. Whatever.

CleymenZero

SweepsAllClowns wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

500K ap total. And no I had not entered Cyrodiil at campaign end on any character.

I'm sure you still felt the cost was well worth what you get in return, it's more like you're allowed to pay for the good cause than some penalty handed to you genorously!

Wish there was a mute button. You don't look like reason can reach you so there's really no point...

CleymenZero

virtus753 wrote: »

There was a known bug several months ago where many characters did not receive the hidden free home campaign change token as they should have. The devs said they took action to fix it on that occasion, but not before quite a few people had spent hundreds of thousands of AP for something that should have been free.

I’ve heard of several times since then that particular characters seem to get this bug again. I don’t know if it’s because they were never fixed the first time or because the bug is back but less widespread.

It’s a real shame Support won’t rectify the situation after the fact. It emphasizes the need for the devs need to go back and review this bug to see if they failed to award every character the right token that one time or whether this is a recurring bug that needs a better fix.

I'm glad some people understand. You always get the ones that go: "if you switch campaign, you should be tagged and EVERYONE FROM EVERY FACTION should be able to kill you" or "well good for you that there is a bug that penalizes you for switching. Nevermind that it's a bug, you switch, you pay. The game should actually charge you 1 million AP for switching as it is like betraying your own family" (poking fun at Sweeepy Sweeps above)

Gatdangmayne

virtus753 wrote: »

There was a known bug several months ago where many characters did not receive the hidden free home campaign change token as they should have. The devs said they took action to fix it on that occasion, but not before quite a few people had spent hundreds of thousands of AP for something that should have been free.

I’ve heard of several times since then that particular characters seem to get this bug again. I don’t know if it’s because they were never fixed the first time or because the bug is back but less widespread.

It’s a real shame Support won’t rectify the situation after the fact. It emphasizes the need for the devs need to go back and review this bug to see if they failed to award every character the right token that one time or whether this is a recurring bug that needs a better fix.

Uhh. What? Aside from people on the forums, literally everyone in game I've spoken to has to pay to abandon on all characters on alliance A, and pay to home all characters on alliance B if they choose to swap, regardless of if its the day a new campaign starts or not.

So you're telling me I've unnecessarily spent 2mil+ AP for literally nothing?

Kolzki

I’ve definitely seen the case where a campaign *change* is free but abandoning costs 100k AP.

Gatdangmayne

Well that's kinda really infuriating.

Man am i glad a few whiny RP-ers got their way and we have faction locks!

TequilaFire

Faction lock isn't the problem, sloppy code at Campaign end for changing is.

sproattt

Yeah it's the coding. I go from EP to AD each month and it costs me 100k to abandon on EP and 150k on AD to set Kaal as home. Each month 350k AP... These guys are smoking good herb up at HQ. Let me in on the supplier x

CleymenZero

sproattt wrote: »

Yeah it's the coding. I go from EP to AD each month and it costs me 100k to abandon on EP and 150k on AD to set Kaal as home. Each month 350k AP... These guys are smoking good herb up at HQ. Let me in on the supplier x

How hard is it to completely clear other faction characters out of a campaign if it is faction-locked?

If it's not done the moment you faction-lock the other faction, the check should be done the moment you login with the other toon.

e.g. : login to red toon that was locked to Kaal. Kaal faction-locked to Blues, auto-abandon campaign or free to drop campaign.

CleymenZero

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

There was a known bug several months ago where many characters did not receive the hidden free home campaign change token as they should have. The devs said they took action to fix it on that occasion, but not before quite a few people had spent hundreds of thousands of AP for something that should have been free.

I’ve heard of several times since then that particular characters seem to get this bug again. I don’t know if it’s because they were never fixed the first time or because the bug is back but less widespread.

It’s a real shame Support won’t rectify the situation after the fact. It emphasizes the need for the devs need to go back and review this bug to see if they failed to award every character the right token that one time or whether this is a recurring bug that needs a better fix.

Uhh. What? Aside from people on the forums, literally everyone in game I've spoken to has to pay to abandon on all characters on alliance A, and pay to home all characters on alliance B if they choose to swap, regardless of if its the day a new campaign starts or not.

So you're telling me I've unnecessarily spent 2mil+ AP for literally nothing?

Yeah, if you swapped at the very beginning of the campaign, it wouldn't cost anything. It still wouldn't now, but the fact that there's only 12 something days on the campaign means that my red toon is "committed" to a campaign that's faction-locked to blues...

CleymenZero

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

Well that's kinda really infuriating.

Man am i glad a few whiny RP-ers got their way and we have faction locks!

Yeah, those are the ones that come in with the: "if you swap alliance, you should be tagged and everybody should be able to kill you" or "they should take all your gold and AP away if you swap because you should be punished"

Some pieces of work right here...

ArchMikem

CleymenZero wrote: »

It happens if your campaign was the other one the month before and is now locked to another alliance.

I'll post a screenshot tonight by trying on my other reds but I paid it on this toon....

Asked customer service for a refund, they said they couldn't help with that...

ZOS refunding Alliance Points. lol

Qbiken

So much for "FaCtIoN lOcKs" making things better......what a *** joke. All this mess because some well know streamer disliked how people killed him and his zerg during stream.....lmao

CleymenZero

ArchMikem wrote: »

CleymenZero wrote: »

It happens if your campaign was the other one the month before and is now locked to another alliance.

I'll post a screenshot tonight by trying on my other reds but I paid it on this toon....

Asked customer service for a refund, they said they couldn't help with that...

ZOS refunding Alliance Points. lol

You would be surprised...

Gatdangmayne

If ZOS refunds AP i have a few million im owed due to this asinine lock, and easily many more millions I've missed out on thanks to inconveniently timed bluescreens and disconnects.

"It's my AP, and i need it now!"

CleymenZero

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

If ZOS refunds AP i have a few million im owed due to this asinine lock, and easily many more millions I've missed out on thanks to inconveniently timed bluescreens and disconnects.

"It's my AP, and i need it now!"

Then all you have to do is ask what you believe is due. Its only fair. You DO have to argue but they may make an exception depending on how the agent feels.

My opinion is, if it's not abusive, demands from users should be studied. It's good business to give some sort of reparation for the countless troubles their users are experiencing.

My experience is you could be arguing with them for a week until they either say an almost impolite no or they might say yes.

Make sure you're honest, respectful (although I don't find the strength to be anymore which is probably why they blow me off now), make sure they clearly see your point of view and call them on their cookie-cutter answers.

They're humans like us, they can feel generous if they feel you're not just trying to hustle or compromise their integrity.

Good luck.

virtus753

Gatdangmayne wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

There was a known bug several months ago where many characters did not receive the hidden free home campaign change token as they should have. The devs said they took action to fix it on that occasion, but not before quite a few people had spent hundreds of thousands of AP for something that should have been free.

I’ve heard of several times since then that particular characters seem to get this bug again. I don’t know if it’s because they were never fixed the first time or because the bug is back but less widespread.

It’s a real shame Support won’t rectify the situation after the fact. It emphasizes the need for the devs need to go back and review this bug to see if they failed to award every character the right token that one time or whether this is a recurring bug that needs a better fix.

Uhh. What? Aside from people on the forums, literally everyone in game I've spoken to has to pay to abandon on all characters on alliance A, and pay to home all characters on alliance B if they choose to swap, regardless of if its the day a new campaign starts or not.

So you're telling me I've unnecessarily spent 2mil+ AP for literally nothing?

It depends if you’re switching mid-campaign or waiting until after reset.

If you choose, say, Kaal as your home campaign and then decide mid-month to switch your home to Laat, you’ll be charged AP. But if you haven’t been on a character for 3 months, say, that character should not have to pay to choose a different home campaign. That’s what the hidden home campaign reset token is for, and it *should* be distributed to all characters at the end of each campaign so they can choose a new home for the month. So if you choose Kaal as your home campaign on one toon, you will pay to switch before the current campaign month is up - but if you wait out the current campaign, you should be able to choose a new home on that toon free.

A fairly widespread bug several months ago, perhaps around Elsweyr, iirc, caused many toons not to get their free home campaign reset token. Toons that no one had taken to Cyrodiil in months were suddenly being charged 100k AP to choose a new home. In the bug report section the devs acknowledged this problem and claimed to have fixed it. I will try to dig up the link when I can get on a real computer rather than my phone.