Toxicity in raids

Thicclady

Hello,

would it be possible to be mature and less toxic on raid situations? Personally I feel theres always pressure to perform well because of constant yelling if something don't go right. Everyone makes mistakes and it don't help if calling names, pasting death addon numbers, logs and stuff like that. This is game after all and we here to have fun.

ManwithBeard9

No.

static_recharge

Sounds like you're not in a very good group of people or are simply PUGing your trials, which will obviously have varying mileage. If you're looking for people that run dungeons and trials on a more casual, inclusive, level please check out Grievance. We focus more on working as a team than berrating individuals. We are a social guild that tries to do a little bit of everything the game has to offer such as trials, dungeons, pvp, etc. 18+ Family oriented.

http://www.grievancegaming.com/elder-scrolls-online

witchdoctor

Was it a PUG? Eh, might have to just remember people to avoid.

Was it a guild? GTFO and find a better guild! All the guids I am in, and do trials with, don't have that kind of crap* tolerated.

*Progression can be different, and pressure to perform is part and parcel.

BeamsForDemacia

i dunno in which Groups u are in but from what i experienced especially in Progression Groups there is usually no flame , Posting logs and death recaps is no calling out its just needed and if u wanna clear a Trial on a casual Basis and u expect everyone to know mechanics and someone doesnt and kills the Group ofc he gets "called out"

FierceSam

Some players have no manners

Really they should be licensed because obviously playing a game with other people and being even vaguely civil seems to be beyond them.

I wonder what they’re like in their real world environment... cos they can’t be very fun to be around.

As @static_recharge suggests, the best way to avoid child wankers like these is to join a good social/progression guild. There are loads of people who are capable of providing excellent, constructive help. And loads of players like you, who want to do trials that aren’t polluted by trolls. One thing I enjoyed about Witches Festival was the number of players who joined or ran trials, and all with a great friendly attitude.

witchdoctor

Yeah, I have to repeat myself and what others have said: there are some really great folks to play this game with, you just gotta find them.

FierceSam

witchdoctor wrote: »

Was it a PUG? Eh, might have to just remember people to avoid.

Was it a guild? GTFO and find a better guild! All the guids I am in, and do trials with, don't have that kind of crap* tolerated.

*Progression can be different, and pressure to perform is part and parcel.

Pressure is different from abuse. I want to improve in my progression group and I’m driven by the encouragement and enthusiasm of the other members not by aggression or the kind of trolly bollocks we’re talking about here.

I’m not sure whether random abuse actually helps improve a player’s performance, certainly doesn’t improve mine. Constructive criticism and advice delivered in an appropriate way, absolutely. And that’s one thing that separates a good progression group from a bad one.

Aznarb

Thicclady wrote: »

Hello,

would it be possible to be mature and less toxic on raid situations? Personally I feel theres always pressure to perform well because of constant yelling if something don't go right. Everyone makes mistakes and it don't help if calling names, pasting death addon numbers, logs and stuff like that. This is game after all and we here to have fun.

Log help, a lot.
They help you to know how to improve and see clearly what is going wrong.

That easy to come forum and cry about toxicity w/o context.
We don't know what happen in your group.

Maybe you or other people go to a pug raid and have no clue about strat (I've seen a lot of them).
And if these people don't said to other they don't know, they gonna make the raid wipe or harder for nothing cuz they don't have ask for explanation or didn't go google to read a tutorial.
Yes, if you go pug you should know the strat, that common sense it's not a raid guild where everyone know you and will teach you step by step.

Do that justify toxicity ? No. But it's very frustrating for lot of player for obvious reason.

If it was in a guild run, then just change guild and find one more adapted to your convenience, I don't know why someone would stay in a toxic guild anyway.
I've run with some very serious guild and it was fun for a time to do most success, but now I'm on a more friendly guild with lower level and I've way more fun to teach them how to improve, way less pressure.

gatekeeper13

Seems like I must be the only guy who got in nice pug groups 100% of the time for normal Trials, lol. No trash talking, everyone was there to help each other. I was probably lucky, it seems.

Only awkward moment I faced was one guy selling Alkosh sword for 500k. Everyone started laughing.

jm42

when I see another fake tank I would be as toxic as it's possible, I have a right for that

witchdoctor

FierceSam wrote: »

witchdoctor wrote: »

Was it a PUG? Eh, might have to just remember people to avoid.

Was it a guild? GTFO and find a better guild! All the guids I am in, and do trials with, don't have that kind of crap* tolerated.

*Progression can be different, and pressure to perform is part and parcel.

Pressure is different from abuse. I want to improve in my progression group and I’m driven by the encouragement and enthusiasm of the other members not by aggression or the kind of trolly bollocks we’re talking about here.

I’m not sure whether random abuse actually helps improve a player’s performance, certainly doesn’t improve mine. Constructive criticism and advice delivered in an appropriate way, absolutely. And that’s one thing that separates a good progression group from a bad one.

Ugh, I never said abuse should be tolerated. I said pressure to perform is part and parcel. Progression implies progressing. Progressing inplies a need (and desire) to perform.

MJallday

MMOs are full of toxicity and ESO is one of the worst

FierceSam

jm42 wrote: »

when I see another fake tank I would be as toxic as it's possible, I have a right for that

Actually you don’t.

Fake tanks are abhorrent, but there’s no excuse for abuse in a game. Just kick them and get over it. Don’t drop down to their level.

pod88kk

I was recently in a VAA run where it took 3 hours to get to the last boss, I stayed, calmly giving information and knowledge from past experience in there. When I disagreed with one of the dps that HM would be a piece of cake(not the term used) I was shouted at by other dds & told 'wtf do I know', i replayed 'well I've completed HM multiple times as 2ell as many other HMs and judging by the dps on the previous boss, realistically, we'll be lucky to finish this boss'.
I was swiftly kicked from the group and recieved hate mail for days afterwards. In my experience it's ALWAYS been the 'I play the way I want to play' who have been the most toxic.

Tsar_Gekkou

Depends on who you run with. If you run a trial with a bunch of light-attack and snipe spammers or people new to trials, they might be super friendly, but the groups who can regularly beat endgame stuff above vMoL are generally a bit toxic. The best thing to do is form your own trials guild with people you know are patient and friendly.

BeamsForDemacia

lul wtf ofc dds want a real tank, and yeah on most base game Dungeons u dont Need a tank but for dlc and also for some base game u really Need one , because i dont wanna waste time wiping some times, and dont wanna run around kite a boss and have no dots on him

BeamsForDemacia

and tbh the Impression i have is that kinda mid Tier Raiders are most toxic, like ppl tha cleared vas 2 or maybe cr3 or even have a triple achieve they can be toxic and Elitist , the hardcore endgamers are definitley not toxic in general ofc there is much pressure but u receive Always alot of construcitve help

Raisin

I've done some research into this and a few very illuminating experiments later I have discovered that it is in fact not possible. Unfortunately, it's just science. We tried everything.

carlos424

BeamsForDemacia wrote: »

and tbh the Impression i have is that kinda mid Tier Raiders are most toxic, like ppl tha cleared vas 2 or maybe cr3 or even have a triple achieve they can be toxic and Elitist , the hardcore endgamers are definitley not toxic in general ofc there is much pressure but u receive Always alot of construcitve help

I like your definition of “mid tier raiders” vas+2 and vcr+3. Lol. I guess completing VSS HM makes you “hardcore endgamer?” Just got a chuckle out of that.

BeamsForDemacia

that is normally the Point where i would start to meme aka be toxic but it would kinda be ironic in this thread xD, i didnt want to Insult anyone it was just my personal opinion and Impression, and i wanted to explain what i mean by mid Tier or whatever u wanna call it, everything basically what someone said above like Trials above vmol, and no ss hm doesnt make me endgame raider probably godslayer and high scores?

ayu_fever

i have cleared all trials on normal but i dont enjoy the environment because the target audience for those activities are beyond rude (which is why i dont bother going to vet trials).
the content itself is fun.
serious raiders take all that fun away.

people are just wayyyyyyyy too serious about what gear and skills everyone is wearing and using.
tank not a DK with ebon and alkosh? KICK!
healer not a templar with olorime and jorvulds? KICK
whats a mag dps doing here? KICK

ITS A GAME NOT A JOB!!!!!

ZOS_FalcoYamaoka

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pod88kk

ayu_fever wrote: »

ITS A GAME NOT A JOB!!!!!

That doesn't mean you get to determine how people spend there free time. [snip]

[edited for non-constructive/baiting comment]

carlos424

BeamsForDemacia wrote: »

that is normally the Point where i would start to meme aka be toxic but it would kinda be ironic in this thread xD, i didnt want to Insult anyone it was just my personal opinion and Impression, and i wanted to explain what i mean by mid Tier or whatever u wanna call it, everything basically what someone said above like Trials above vmol, and no ss hm doesnt make me endgame raider probably godslayer and high scores?

I think people who have progressed vas+2 and vcr+3 can safely be considered “end game” players. I think people who have Godslayer are probably the elite of the endgamers. How many people actually have this title? But I guess these definitions are subjective.
As far as the toxicity in raids goes, it’s a shame that some people act inappropriately. In my experience, any level of player can be toxic. Eso is kind of a microcosm of society when you think about. Takes all kinds : )

Aznarb

carlos424 wrote: »

BeamsForDemacia wrote: »

that is normally the Point where i would start to meme aka be toxic but it would kinda be ironic in this thread xD, i didnt want to Insult anyone it was just my personal opinion and Impression, and i wanted to explain what i mean by mid Tier or whatever u wanna call it, everything basically what someone said above like Trials above vmol, and no ss hm doesnt make me endgame raider probably godslayer and high scores?

I think people who have progressed vas+2 and vcr+3 can safely be considered “end game” players. I think people who have Godslayer are probably the elite of the endgamers. How many people actually have this title? But I guess these definitions are subjective.
As far as the toxicity in raids goes, it’s a shame that some people act inappropriately. In my experience, any level of player can be toxic. Eso is kind of a microcosm of society when you think about. Takes all kinds : )

To be fair, with all the dot nerf, sustain nerf and major vuln uptime, it's way harder to get it than it was when the 1st get the success.

Taemiru

There is tons of raiding guilds, casual to some hardcore elite endgame that always need people. If you think your group is toxic and leads are fine with it - just leave. It's no bm, there will always be toxic elitist peeps and they wont change their attitude seeing this post, so the best you can do is leave and start looking for something better.

idk

First off I would suggest coming to the forums and calling out those you raid with is probably in bad form. Complaining about your raid group in the forums, even without actually naming anyone or group, could get their attention.

Second, a well run raid group will have requirements regardless of what level they raid at. If a group member dies a lot they may speak with them about that as well. Especially trying to find out why to lead to a solution. The goal of the team is to progress.

In the end if you find a team to stressful for you or they are truly toxic I suggest just finding a different team or that maybe, just maybe, progression raiding is not what you may enjoy. It is not for everyone and that is ok.

WuffyCerulei

It's usually the [snip] people who "aren't as good as them." Or have self confidence issues and don't know how to properly address said issues. It's no excuse to be a jerk though. The only thing toxicity in end-game pve is a bad rep. No one wants you around because you're a jerk. Doesn't matter how good your dps, tanking, or healing is if all you're spewing is toxin-lain words to everyone who makes the slightest mistakes. Only other toxic people will deal with those sorts of people.

It doesn't hurt to be a decent person and be kind to others.

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SidraWillowsky

Thicclady wrote: »

Kel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/6P4kNGv-Xyc

Probably not.

Not my video, but this clip is a perfect example of some of the attitudes that exist in this environment. One side trying to "help" in a trolly jerky way, and those fighting back against sound, but rudely given, advice.
Both sides are wrong here, but the clip has everything.

And this is just a normal pug.

This is why I always get a kick whenever players say PvP is toxic for doing what it's meant to do...kill other players.
No, it's not the activity that is toxic...that doesn't come from a game mode in itself. PLAYERS are toxic, and that exists in every mode.
Want to be good at gathering flowers? How many times are you fighting a mob so you can gather it just to have someone run in and take it while you're a meter from it fighting?
Yeah...toxic exists everywhere. Stop blaming game modes or trying to argue semantics.

In that video, the chauvanism and gender slandering is off the charts! I wish ZoS would ban people like that!

Yeah, the dude doing the video jumped immediately into "go eat a tampon" and is now wondering why people got so upset? Like holy sh*, I didn't watch beyond that because that immediately set the tone, but if he's apt to jump right into that he needs to not be surprised that people don't respond well to him. It says a lot about the state of gaming that he records himself saying that and thinks nothing of it when he uploads a video of a raid gone wrong wher he blames others.

AhPook_Is_Here

A lot of guilds pull in people from around the world, and it turns out not every human on earth shares US mores.