BLACK KIERGO BRIGAND

MornaBaine

The BLACK KIERGO BRIGAND outfit has clipping issues on the pants. This is obvious in the preview screen. So be aware. I really deeply dislike the outfit system and I don't like they way they are now springing new outfits on us all the time... because it is a blatant attempt to get us to buy more outfit slots with real money. I want to ALWAYS have the option to get the MOTIF and make the actual armor and store it or carry it around if I want to in order to use it for RP clothes! I don't WANT styles that can ONLY be used if I spend real money AND gold just to wear them. I have not and will not buy an additional outfit slot. Stop it with the "outfits" ZOS, give us the actual motif as an option at the very least! And... quit putting out flawed designs while you're at it. Thank you.

Thevampirenight

MornaBaine wrote: »

The BLACK KIERGO BRIGAND outfit has clipping issues on the pants. This is obvious in the preview screen. So be aware. I really deeply dislike the outfit system and I don't like they way they are now springing new outfits on us all the time... because it is a blatant attempt to get us to buy more outfit slots with real money. I want to ALWAYS have the option to get the MOTIF and make the actual armor and store it or carry it around if I want to in order to use it for RP clothes! I don't WANT styles that can ONLY be used if I spend real money AND gold just to wear them. I have not and will not buy an additional outfit slot. Stop it with the "outfits" ZOS, give us the actual motif as an option at the very least! And... quit putting out flawed designs while you're at it. Thank you.

I would buy outfit slots if they were account wide. But since they are just one character no way. Not worth the crowns.

Shinshadow

That and the armor part of the chest piece can not be dyed as well. . .

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Shinshadow wrote: »

That and the armor part of the chest piece can not be dyed as well. . .

I've noticed something with a lot of the more recent armours...

I don't think ZOS even wants you to dye them. A lot of the recent stuff looks much better in the "stock" colours.

Skaal is a very good example of this.

Personally I'm fine with this bias towards not dyeing, if I'm going to be totally honest.

But I am hideously biased, as I'm the guy you'll see running around in pretty basic brown leathers and steel-grey metal plating.

Even my fancy Engine Guardian weapons are just in their stock colours because they look much better like that IMO.

Sylvermynx

I'm happy to dye costumes, but (except for trying to match certain outfit styles to certain indrik shades) I mostly tend to just leave armor pieces alone. The only time I've not wanted to dye a costume was the Bosmer Vanguard - it just got "dim" and "muddy" looking when dyed, with no crispness left....

ImSoPro

It’s a butt ugly costume anyway

Mr_Walker

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Shinshadow wrote: »

That and the armor part of the chest piece can not be dyed as well. . .

I've noticed something with a lot of the more recent armours...

I don't think ZOS even wants you to dye them. A lot of the recent stuff looks much better in the "stock" colours.

Skaal is a very good example of this.

Personally I'm fine with this bias towards not dyeing, if I'm going to be totally honest.

But I am hideously biased, as I'm the guy you'll see running around in pretty basic brown leathers and steel-grey metal plating.

Even my fancy Engine Guardian weapons are just in their stock colours because they look much better like that IMO.

I'm with you, whilst I rarely leave colors as stock, I don't go for "gaudy". Gaudiest I've ever gone is Trasluminal Iovlet on some metal pieces.

Don't know why some folk want to be lit up like Satan's ring after a night on the slops and a big curry.

Zulera301

yeah, even my inner completionist scoffs at outfit styles. There's no achievements for completing them; there's no way of tracking them beyond painstakingly checking every unowned style that may show up on the outfit style pages, and with 21 armours and 9 weapons (counting light/medium/heavy for each of the 7 armour types, and counting axe/sword/mace for the 1h/2h styles), ain't nobody got time for that.

added to the fact that the outfit system is generally crap given the exorbitant prices for additional slots that only apply to one lousy character... and yeah. I'll stick with motifs. plus, they stack which means they're easier to amass en masse, and I for one always enjoy reading the books/snippets of each new motif page I learn. style pages ain't got any of that.

TL;DR—style pages blow. motifs rule and are objectively better.

Starlock

It seems likely that the corsair design was originally a motif - with light, medium, and heavy variants - but was converted to a style for monetization purposes. This is not consumer friendly monetization. I was concerned about this direction with styles when they released small outfit style packs in association with this chapter. They are moving away from the motif system to instead resell content to the consumer at a premium. Crap like this is why I’ve sworn off crown packs - the ramping up in predatory monetization of this game sickens me and tarnishes an otherwise outstanding product.

Taleof2Cities

MornaBaine wrote: »

I don't WANT styles that can ONLY be used if I spend real money AND gold just to wear them. I have not and will not buy an additional outfit slot.

I don't think anyone in the forums has, like ever, asked to get rid of a gold sink in the game. What an interesting idea.

Last time I checked, you can get outfit tokens for free by leveling a new character to 40 ... or you can buy them with in-game gold by having someone gift them to you (so you're not out any real life money).

Sometimes there are other ways to an achieve an objective instead of complaining in the forums.

Nemesis7884

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Shinshadow wrote: »

That and the armor part of the chest piece can not be dyed as well. . .

I've noticed something with a lot of the more recent armours...

I don't think ZOS even wants you to dye them. A lot of the recent stuff looks much better in the "stock" colours.

Skaal is a very good example of this.

Personally I'm fine with this bias towards not dyeing, if I'm going to be totally honest.

But I am hideously biased, as I'm the guy you'll see running around in pretty basic brown leathers and steel-grey metal plating.

Even my fancy Engine Guardian weapons are just in their stock colours because they look much better like that IMO.

one tip id give everyone is something doesnt dye well - dont use the "normal" colors but instead the "armor tier" colors...these usually dye appropriately on all armors for all pieces...

Megatto

Why would anyone, out of their own free will, purchase that steamin' pile of garbage style?

SilverIce58

Isn't this just a different version of the topal corsair style?

bmnoble

Didn't think much of this outfit style when previewing it in the crown store.

Got no issue with letting the days available pass by, its not one I will be buying.

MornaBaine

Megatto wrote: »

Why would anyone, out of their own free will, purchase that steamin' pile of garbage style?

To be clear, I did not. I looked at the preview, as I do nearly everything they put out. I've yet to find something I was willing to purchase with crowns.

Also, I hope people aren't fooled by the lower price tag of this creepy "outfit" versus the insane amount they are asking for motifs. They clearly plan to make even MORE than the 5k crowns they would on motifs by getting you to shell out 2k for the "outfit" and then well more than an additional 5k getting an additional style slot for all your characters for it. This is just purely predatory.

Wing

CMDR_Un1k0rn wrote: »

Shinshadow wrote: »

That and the armor part of the chest piece can not be dyed as well. . .

I've noticed something with a lot of the more recent armours...

I don't think ZOS even wants you to dye them. A lot of the recent stuff looks much better in the "stock" colours.

Skaal is a very good example of this.

Personally I'm fine with this bias towards not dyeing, if I'm going to be totally honest.

But I am hideously biased, as I'm the guy you'll see running around in pretty basic brown leathers and steel-grey metal plating.

Even my fancy Engine Guardian weapons are just in their stock colours because they look much better like that IMO.

nah I do the same thing more often then not, I don't mind over stylized characters when it all works, but more often then not I would like to look more normal with realistic metal, leather, and cloth colors. one of my favorite colors is warden moss green because anything you use it on becomes matte, really fun to deshine some armors on occasion and make them look weathered or rusty.

Shaloknir

I bought it. And Im a bit dissapointed because I cant dye the leather parts. I always like the leather a bit more darkish, so it reflects my characters long journey.

Please @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom dyeing options needed badly!

Thankfully the head piece is badass worth the crowns on its own.

MornaBaine

I just think it's incredibly sloppy workmanship when parts of a costume or armor or outfit cannot be dyed. Do I always like the colors people choose to dye things? Nah. But that's personal taste really and far more on the colors ZOS chooses to make available.

Starlock

MornaBaine wrote: »

Megatto wrote: »

Why would anyone, out of their own free will, purchase that steamin' pile of garbage style?

To be clear, I did not. I looked at the preview, as I do nearly everything they put out. I've yet to find something I was willing to purchase with crowns.

Also, I hope people aren't fooled by the lower price tag of this creepy "outfit" versus the insane amount they are asking for motifs. They clearly plan to make even MORE than the 5k crowns they would on motifs by getting you to shell out 2k for the "outfit" and then well more than an additional 5k getting an additional style slot for all your characters for it. This is just purely predatory.

Yup. This marketing ploy gives you only one weight of the armor’s style and none of the weapons. It is basically one quarter of a motif which may put it’s eventual price in the 6k range. Some have costed that in the cash shop, but I wager this is a continued test of the waters. Eventually it’ll be “here’s the light, medium, heavy, and weapons all for 2-3k each with none of it earnable in game, suckers!” Except the weapons will be in gamble crates like they are already doing as legendary tier rewards which means tens of thousands of crowns to get them...

gepe87

Zos could profit with some npc outfits (and hairstyles!)... And they spend time making ugly outfits (the whole cat/dragon craziness is enough!)

dcam86b14_ESO

I liked this style. It's my money, not yours, so why does it bother you so much?

max_only

I liked the toes on the shoes and the hat so I used crown gifting aka gold.

I dont like their motif model (gather 11 other people and play this extremely hard trial for a fragment of a page that is random and can result in duplicates). So for a half done motif like this, it’s fine as a crown store outfit pack.

JumpmanLane

I bought it and realized that very few styles are even good at all. Something either can't be dyed or has hip flaps...

Ugh!

Ratzkifal

The downside of motifs compared to outfits is that motifs require style mats to use. Style mats that take up inventory space if you don't have ESO+. Style mats which need a way to be earned or otherwise can only be replaced through crown style gems, which are also only available through crowns.

The biggest downside of outfits compared to motifs is probably that you can't craft gear in that style for player who didn't spend money, but while that is a downside for us, ZO$ probably doesn't see it that way, because more people need to make a purchase for that.

Hotdog_23

It would be nice if we could preview different dyes on a costume before we buy it. Like an option to use random dyes like at the outfit station to see how well they dye before we buy.

MornaBaine

dcam86b14_ESO wrote: »

I liked this style. It's my money, not yours, so why does it bother you so much?

I'm not sure if that question is for me but the answer is; It's my money too and I don't like being ripped off. I also don't like shoddy workmanship, which was the main point of this post, to point out the clipping issue on the pants. I kind of thought customers might like to know about this flaw prior to making their decision on whether or not to buy.

You, of course, are at liberty to spend your money however you want. Just as I, of course, am at liberty to point out bad workmanship and predatory sales practices so that people have more information on which to base their spending decisions. If that information does not deter you, more power to you.

AlienSlof

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I don't WANT styles that can ONLY be used if I spend real money AND gold just to wear them. I have not and will not buy an additional outfit slot.

I don't think anyone in the forums has, like ever, asked to get rid of a gold sink in the game. What an interesting idea.

Last time I checked, you can get outfit tokens for free by leveling a new character to 40 ... or you can buy them with in-game gold by having someone gift them to you (so you're not out any real life money).

Sometimes there are other ways to an achieve an objective instead of complaining in the forums.

She's talking about the outfit SLOTS, and buying with real money the style, not paying gold to use the motifs/dyes.

I agree with Morna, I won't buy outfit slots or outfit styles either. I can make better for free in other games, plus I TEST mine thoroughly before releasing them. For FREE.

morrowjen

Starlock wrote: »

It seems likely that the corsair design was originally a motif - with light, medium, and heavy variants - but was converted to a style for monetization purposes. This is not consumer friendly monetization. I was concerned about this direction with styles when they released small outfit style packs in association with this chapter. They are moving away from the motif system to instead resell content to the consumer at a premium. Crap like this is why I’ve sworn off crown packs - the ramping up in predatory monetization of this game sickens me and tarnishes an otherwise outstanding product.

Well, considering that I was shocked to see a nearly identical copy of the outfit I'd put together for one of my toons using corsair and other motifs pop up on offer as a style I concur. The similarities (minus the turban) between the two are so striking that if I saw someone else running the same page, motif and color choices that I made for my toon that I'd think they'd bought the new Black Kiergo Brigand outfit. That said, I think mine looks slightly better and although I'd love to have the turban it's not enough to buy the outfit when I'm already running what I think is a slightly better version of it.

MornaBaine

AlienSlof wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I don't WANT styles that can ONLY be used if I spend real money AND gold just to wear them. I have not and will not buy an additional outfit slot.

I don't think anyone in the forums has, like ever, asked to get rid of a gold sink in the game. What an interesting idea.

Last time I checked, you can get outfit tokens for free by leveling a new character to 40 ... or you can buy them with in-game gold by having someone gift them to you (so you're not out any real life money).

Sometimes there are other ways to an achieve an objective instead of complaining in the forums.

She's talking about the outfit SLOTS, and buying with real money the style, not paying gold to use the motifs/dyes.

I agree with Morna, I won't buy outfit slots or outfit styles either. I can make better for free in other games, plus I TEST mine thoroughly before releasing them. For FREE.

Indeed. If the whole thing was JUST a gold sink I'd be kind of okay with it. Though I'd have to admit to being irked by having to "pay" to use dyes I've already gone to the trouble to unlock and therefore "own." If I could pay gold to use colors I had NOT unlocked, that I'd be okay with. But real money for any of it? Just... no.

Bucky_13

Shinshadow wrote: »

That and the armor part of the chest piece can not be dyed as well. . .

This is the main reason why I won't buy it. Not being able to dye key pieces of an outfit or costume = no purchase from me.

TelvanniWizard

I love the outfit system, but totally refuse to buy outfit slots, so I just create new outfits and don't save them, or create alts.