AgaTheGreat wrote: »I find this forum to be heavily censored and moderated at the moment. I don't remember it being this restrictive. Many posts go missing because they're "non-constructive". Threads get closed. Discussions get cut short even thought they are not at all extreme when it comes to so called flame or baiting. What's going on...
Anyone else sees the change in the forums?
(This topic is going to get closed because it's not constructive in 3... 2... 1....)
AgaTheGreat wrote: »I find this forum to be heavily censored and moderated at the moment. I don't remember it being this restrictive. Many posts go missing because they're "non-constructive". Threads get closed. Discussions get cut short even thought they are not at all extreme when it comes to so called flame or baiting. What's going on...
Anyone else sees the change in the forums?
(This topic is going to get closed because it's not constructive in 3... 2... 1....)
its been like this for a while now.. Maybe the last year or so. I mean there was always moderation but there was definitely a point where it started to get out of hand. Like when I got banned for saying l2p to someone. Acting tyrannical is nothing new to zos and they are a company that just dont care what the players of their game think of them.
JackDaniell wrote: »Moderating a public forum is where they went wrong.
Instead of doing something about the problems that lead to all the criticism they are busy trying to manufacture a more favorable image.
Time and money would be better spent just improving the darn game.
JackDaniell wrote: »Moderating a public forum is where they went wrong.
Instead of doing something about the problems that lead to all the criticism they are busy trying to manufacture a more favorable image.
Time and money would be better spent just improving the darn game.
Except that it's not a public forum, it's a private one run by ZOS who are entitled to apply and enforce such TOS as they deem appropriate. Players are equally entitled to choose whether or not to use the forum on that basis.
nolangrady wrote: »Because they focus more attention on what paying customers have to say than actually fixing the issues. Censorship is strong with this team unfortunately.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »JackDaniell wrote: »Moderating a public forum is where they went wrong.
Instead of doing something about the problems that lead to all the criticism they are busy trying to manufacture a more favorable image.
Time and money would be better spent just improving the darn game.
Except that it's not a public forum, it's a private one run by ZOS who are entitled to apply and enforce such TOS as they deem appropriate. Players are equally entitled to choose whether or not to use the forum on that basis.
It's public anyone can read it, You just have to me a member to participate. But I think you missed Jack's point in your hurry to disagree
This and also: What needs to be remembered is those who complain about bugs actually want to still play, engage and potentially spend money. Censoring those who report bugs or complain about bugs potentially adds more frustration on top of the frustration that drives them to the forums. In direct consequence of moderation action, this potentially can result in dropping off the game entirely, thus be a loss for the monetization and needed in-game-population. That's something moderation has a direct effect on, too. And this may be overlooked by the way things are dealt with most recently.What ZOS needs to remember that each of these non-active players is lost potential revenue as if they are not logging in then they are not a potential cash shop purchaser.
Rave the Histborn wrote: »ZOS_Adrikoth wrote: »Hey folks, we figured we would come in this thread and try to clear some things up. Criticism is perfectly fine and we do not remove comments simply because we do not like the poster's opinion.
With that being said, our moderation team does remove posts that consist of bashing, trolling, inappropriate or rude commentary. These, along with our other Community Rules, are enforced to ensure that discussions stay civil:We do not expect forum members to be completely happy about every single thing all the time and a major reason that we have these forums is for you all to express any issues that feel exist in your experience with ESO. It is okay to express frustration or disagreement, as long as it doesn't cross the line of one of our Community Rules. Trolling, baiting, or directing rude comments to your fellow community members does not contribute to a healthy discussion.We understand that sometimes tempers rise, but it is never acceptable to resort to rude comments and insults. This goes for rude comments and insults directed at other community members, and ZeniMax Online Studios employees alike.
Please keep in mind that discussing disciplinary action is also against our forum rules. Our team is happy to discuss any action that is taken on your forum account, and you can appeal any forum action by reaching out to our moderation team or by submitting a support ticket at help.elderscrollsonline.com
We hope that this clears up some of the concerns mentioned in this thread.
@ZOS_Adrikoth care to elaborate on that point of criticism? I've had posts edited that weren't criticisms of ZOS but just pointed out the fixes a game like FF14 went through which were completely removed.
Forum toxicity is increasing because of this type of moderation and solely this moderation. We can't speak our mind and genuine posters are told their comments are trolling or bait (which is now just asking a question for a response). If I wanted this place to be a hug box I'd just hang out on the ESO reddit but I'm an adult and this is a game for adults where you get treated like a child for having valid criticism.
P.S. Wouldn't be surprised if a certain other mod just banned me again for this post
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »JackDaniell wrote: »Moderating a public forum is where they went wrong.
Instead of doing something about the problems that lead to all the criticism they are busy trying to manufacture a more favorable image.
Time and money would be better spent just improving the darn game.
Except that it's not a public forum, it's a private one run by ZOS who are entitled to apply and enforce such TOS as they deem appropriate. Players are equally entitled to choose whether or not to use the forum on that basis.
It's public anyone can read it, You just have to me a member to participate. But I think you missed Jack's point in your hurry to disagree
I didn't miss any point, I corrected one. We're discussing posting TOS, and as you agree with me you have to be a member to post so those TOS will apply.
AgaTheGreat wrote: »I find this forum to be heavily censored and moderated at the moment. I don't remember it being this restrictive. Many posts go missing because they're "non-constructive". Threads get closed. Discussions get cut short even thought they are not at all extreme when it comes to so called flame or baiting. What's going on...
Anyone else sees the change in the forums?
(This topic is going to get closed because it's not constructive in 3... 2... 1....)
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »JackDaniell wrote: »Moderating a public forum is where they went wrong.
Instead of doing something about the problems that lead to all the criticism they are busy trying to manufacture a more favorable image.
Time and money would be better spent just improving the darn game.
Except that it's not a public forum, it's a private one run by ZOS who are entitled to apply and enforce such TOS as they deem appropriate. Players are equally entitled to choose whether or not to use the forum on that basis.
It's public anyone can read it, You just have to me a member to participate. But I think you missed Jack's point in your hurry to disagree
I didn't miss any point, I corrected one. We're discussing posting TOS, and as you agree with me you have to be a member to post so those TOS will apply.
I guess what I'm trying to say, yes it's a Private forum in the sense you have to be a member and agree to tos in order to participate. But the information in general is public, anyone can read what is said here. So zos has more of a reason to remove negative comments in order to save face in a publicly viewed forum.
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »JackDaniell wrote: »Moderating a public forum is where they went wrong.
Instead of doing something about the problems that lead to all the criticism they are busy trying to manufacture a more favorable image.
Time and money would be better spent just improving the darn game.
Except that it's not a public forum, it's a private one run by ZOS who are entitled to apply and enforce such TOS as they deem appropriate. Players are equally entitled to choose whether or not to use the forum on that basis.
It's public anyone can read it, You just have to me a member to participate. But I think you missed Jack's point in your hurry to disagree
I didn't miss any point, I corrected one. We're discussing posting TOS, and as you agree with me you have to be a member to post so those TOS will apply.
I guess what I'm trying to say, yes it's a Private forum in the sense you have to be a member and agree to tos in order to participate. But the information in general is public, anyone can read what is said here. So zos has more of a reason to remove negative comments in order to save face in a publicly viewed forum.
Rave the Histborn wrote: »ZOS_Adrikoth wrote: »Hey folks, we figured we would come in this thread and try to clear some things up. Criticism is perfectly fine and we do not remove comments simply because we do not like the poster's opinion.
With that being said, our moderation team does remove posts that consist of bashing, trolling, inappropriate or rude commentary. These, along with our other Community Rules, are enforced to ensure that discussions stay civil:We do not expect forum members to be completely happy about every single thing all the time and a major reason that we have these forums is for you all to express any issues that feel exist in your experience with ESO. It is okay to express frustration or disagreement, as long as it doesn't cross the line of one of our Community Rules. Trolling, baiting, or directing rude comments to your fellow community members does not contribute to a healthy discussion.We understand that sometimes tempers rise, but it is never acceptable to resort to rude comments and insults. This goes for rude comments and insults directed at other community members, and ZeniMax Online Studios employees alike.
Please keep in mind that discussing disciplinary action is also against our forum rules. Our team is happy to discuss any action that is taken on your forum account, and you can appeal any forum action by reaching out to our moderation team or by submitting a support ticket at help.elderscrollsonline.com
We hope that this clears up some of the concerns mentioned in this thread.
@ZOS_Adrikoth care to elaborate on that point of criticism? I've had posts edited that weren't criticisms of ZOS but just pointed out the fixes a game like FF14 went through which were completely removed.
Forum toxicity is increasing because of this type of moderation and solely this moderation. We can't speak our mind and genuine posters are told their comments are trolling or bait (which is now just asking a question for a response). If I wanted this place to be a hug box I'd just hang out on the ESO reddit but I'm an adult and this is a game for adults where you get treated like a child for having valid criticism.
P.S. Wouldn't be surprised if a certain other mod just banned me again for this post
Thank you for asking this, it's a good question and one we can elaborate on. Sometimes when several members have a heated discussion and the thread derails, comments simply become personal insults or baiting. In cases where a moderator removes the part of the conversation that contained attacks directed at others, it's with the hope that the discussion will get back on track and the thread topic can continue to be discussed. With that comes comments made by people who are not involved in the back and forth, who are replying the derailing comments. Even if the member may be speaking to a different point that the combative person made, they often quote the verbal attacks. When the problematic comments are removed, the remaining posts (that have not broken any rules), don't make any sense in the thread as their original context is no longer there. This is one of the other reasons we ask forum members to flag comments that are breaking the rules rather than quoting or responding to them. It saves the comments that are contributing to the conversation and prevents the thread from derailing.
While I don't know for a fact if this was the reasoning behind your comments removal, I hoped I was able to clarify some of the moderation team's processes.
I highly encourage you to reach out to a moderator if you ever have questions about why a moderation action was taken. Like Adrikoth previously mentioned, we do not discuss moderation action publicly but we are happy to answer questions via PMs. If you find yourself unable to contact the moderator to took the action, please feel free to reach out to another moderator.
AgaTheGreat wrote: »I find this forum to be heavily censored and moderated at the moment. I don't remember it being this restrictive. Many posts go missing because they're "non-constructive". Threads get closed. Discussions get cut short even thought they are not at all extreme when it comes to so called flame or baiting. What's going on...
Anyone else sees the change in the forums?
(This topic is going to get closed because it's not constructive in 3... 2... 1....)
Ya I've noticed the change in the forums. I've also noticed an awful lot of ZOS bashing going on, multiple topics about the same things, and heated discussions between unreasonable people. The forum mods tolerate a lot more than I would if I were running the show. I mean criticism and disagreement are fine but it shouldn't get to the point where people are insulting each other and the people at ZOS.
VaranisArano wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »ZOS_Adrikoth wrote: »Hey folks, we figured we would come in this thread and try to clear some things up. Criticism is perfectly fine and we do not remove comments simply because we do not like the poster's opinion.
With that being said, our moderation team does remove posts that consist of bashing, trolling, inappropriate or rude commentary. These, along with our other Community Rules, are enforced to ensure that discussions stay civil:We do not expect forum members to be completely happy about every single thing all the time and a major reason that we have these forums is for you all to express any issues that feel exist in your experience with ESO. It is okay to express frustration or disagreement, as long as it doesn't cross the line of one of our Community Rules. Trolling, baiting, or directing rude comments to your fellow community members does not contribute to a healthy discussion.We understand that sometimes tempers rise, but it is never acceptable to resort to rude comments and insults. This goes for rude comments and insults directed at other community members, and ZeniMax Online Studios employees alike.
Please keep in mind that discussing disciplinary action is also against our forum rules. Our team is happy to discuss any action that is taken on your forum account, and you can appeal any forum action by reaching out to our moderation team or by submitting a support ticket at help.elderscrollsonline.com
We hope that this clears up some of the concerns mentioned in this thread.
@ZOS_Adrikoth care to elaborate on that point of criticism? I've had posts edited that weren't criticisms of ZOS but just pointed out the fixes a game like FF14 went through which were completely removed.
Forum toxicity is increasing because of this type of moderation and solely this moderation. We can't speak our mind and genuine posters are told their comments are trolling or bait (which is now just asking a question for a response). If I wanted this place to be a hug box I'd just hang out on the ESO reddit but I'm an adult and this is a game for adults where you get treated like a child for having valid criticism.
P.S. Wouldn't be surprised if a certain other mod just banned me again for this post
Thank you for asking this, it's a good question and one we can elaborate on. Sometimes when several members have a heated discussion and the thread derails, comments simply become personal insults or baiting. In cases where a moderator removes the part of the conversation that contained attacks directed at others, it's with the hope that the discussion will get back on track and the thread topic can continue to be discussed. With that comes comments made by people who are not involved in the back and forth, who are replying the derailing comments. Even if the member may be speaking to a different point that the combative person made, they often quote the verbal attacks. When the problematic comments are removed, the remaining posts (that have not broken any rules), don't make any sense in the thread as their original context is no longer there. This is one of the other reasons we ask forum members to flag comments that are breaking the rules rather than quoting or responding to them. It saves the comments that are contributing to the conversation and prevents the thread from derailing.
While I don't know for a fact if this was the reasoning behind your comments removal, I hoped I was able to clarify some of the moderation team's processes.
I highly encourage you to reach out to a moderator if you ever have questions about why a moderation action was taken. Like Adrikoth previously mentioned, we do not discuss moderation action publicly but we are happy to answer questions via PMs. If you find yourself unable to contact the moderator to took the action, please feel free to reach out to another moderator.
@ZOS_Nith Thanks for clarifying and for continuing to communicate regarding moderation practices. I've noticed you and Adrikoth being more transparent in that regard lately, and it's appreciated.
One concern I do have with your suggestion to simply report TOS-breaking comments is that I find it rather hard to do so using the mobile site UI for Google Chrome. If I try to report anything longer than a very short, unnested comment, the report box doesn't actually scroll properly to allow me to access to the key to send my report. In order to flag a comment, I have to swap to the full computer site, write and send the report, and then swap back to mobile.
Since I mainly use mobile, I don't flag many comments due to the annoying extra steps. Perhaps someone can suggest a solution or different browser? Or is this just a general problem for mobile users?
VaranisArano wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »ZOS_Adrikoth wrote: »Hey folks, we figured we would come in this thread and try to clear some things up. Criticism is perfectly fine and we do not remove comments simply because we do not like the poster's opinion.
With that being said, our moderation team does remove posts that consist of bashing, trolling, inappropriate or rude commentary. These, along with our other Community Rules, are enforced to ensure that discussions stay civil:We do not expect forum members to be completely happy about every single thing all the time and a major reason that we have these forums is for you all to express any issues that feel exist in your experience with ESO. It is okay to express frustration or disagreement, as long as it doesn't cross the line of one of our Community Rules. Trolling, baiting, or directing rude comments to your fellow community members does not contribute to a healthy discussion.We understand that sometimes tempers rise, but it is never acceptable to resort to rude comments and insults. This goes for rude comments and insults directed at other community members, and ZeniMax Online Studios employees alike.
Please keep in mind that discussing disciplinary action is also against our forum rules. Our team is happy to discuss any action that is taken on your forum account, and you can appeal any forum action by reaching out to our moderation team or by submitting a support ticket at help.elderscrollsonline.com
We hope that this clears up some of the concerns mentioned in this thread.
@ZOS_Adrikoth care to elaborate on that point of criticism? I've had posts edited that weren't criticisms of ZOS but just pointed out the fixes a game like FF14 went through which were completely removed.
Forum toxicity is increasing because of this type of moderation and solely this moderation. We can't speak our mind and genuine posters are told their comments are trolling or bait (which is now just asking a question for a response). If I wanted this place to be a hug box I'd just hang out on the ESO reddit but I'm an adult and this is a game for adults where you get treated like a child for having valid criticism.
P.S. Wouldn't be surprised if a certain other mod just banned me again for this post
Thank you for asking this, it's a good question and one we can elaborate on. Sometimes when several members have a heated discussion and the thread derails, comments simply become personal insults or baiting. In cases where a moderator removes the part of the conversation that contained attacks directed at others, it's with the hope that the discussion will get back on track and the thread topic can continue to be discussed. With that comes comments made by people who are not involved in the back and forth, who are replying the derailing comments. Even if the member may be speaking to a different point that the combative person made, they often quote the verbal attacks. When the problematic comments are removed, the remaining posts (that have not broken any rules), don't make any sense in the thread as their original context is no longer there. This is one of the other reasons we ask forum members to flag comments that are breaking the rules rather than quoting or responding to them. It saves the comments that are contributing to the conversation and prevents the thread from derailing.
While I don't know for a fact if this was the reasoning behind your comments removal, I hoped I was able to clarify some of the moderation team's processes.
I highly encourage you to reach out to a moderator if you ever have questions about why a moderation action was taken. Like Adrikoth previously mentioned, we do not discuss moderation action publicly but we are happy to answer questions via PMs. If you find yourself unable to contact the moderator to took the action, please feel free to reach out to another moderator.
@ZOS_Nith Thanks for clarifying and for continuing to communicate regarding moderation practices. I've noticed you and Adrikoth being more transparent in that regard lately, and it's appreciated.
One concern I do have with your suggestion to simply report TOS-breaking comments is that I find it rather hard to do so using the mobile site UI for Google Chrome. If I try to report anything longer than a very short, unnested comment, the report box doesn't actually scroll properly to allow me to access to the key to send my report. In order to flag a comment, I have to swap to the full computer site, write and send the report, and then swap back to mobile.
Since I mainly use mobile, I don't flag many comments due to the annoying extra steps. Perhaps someone can suggest a solution or different browser? Or is this just a general problem for mobile users?
lordrichter wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »JackDaniell wrote: »Moderating a public forum is where they went wrong.
Instead of doing something about the problems that lead to all the criticism they are busy trying to manufacture a more favorable image.
Time and money would be better spent just improving the darn game.
Except that it's not a public forum, it's a private one run by ZOS who are entitled to apply and enforce such TOS as they deem appropriate. Players are equally entitled to choose whether or not to use the forum on that basis.
It's public anyone can read it, You just have to me a member to participate. But I think you missed Jack's point in your hurry to disagree
I didn't miss any point, I corrected one. We're discussing posting TOS, and as you agree with me you have to be a member to post so those TOS will apply.
I guess what I'm trying to say, yes it's a Private forum in the sense you have to be a member and agree to tos in order to participate. But the information in general is public, anyone can read what is said here. So zos has more of a reason to remove negative comments in order to save face in a publicly viewed forum.
People might think they remove negative comments to save face, but if that is the intent, they aren't doing a good job of it. There are tons of negative comments here. It isn't even just the negative comments as much as the uninformed negative tone, piled on exaggerations and excessive drama, as well.
You don't see me around here much because I got tired of the negative comments. That is a little ironic because I have made my share of negative comments, although mild compared to now. The current forum has gone way beyond and makes me feel uncomfortable.
I'm not having technical or performance issues in the game, and so I just don't feel like this is the place for me to be.
VaranisArano wrote: »Rave the Histborn wrote: »ZOS_Adrikoth wrote: »Hey folks, we figured we would come in this thread and try to clear some things up. Criticism is perfectly fine and we do not remove comments simply because we do not like the poster's opinion.
With that being said, our moderation team does remove posts that consist of bashing, trolling, inappropriate or rude commentary. These, along with our other Community Rules, are enforced to ensure that discussions stay civil:We do not expect forum members to be completely happy about every single thing all the time and a major reason that we have these forums is for you all to express any issues that feel exist in your experience with ESO. It is okay to express frustration or disagreement, as long as it doesn't cross the line of one of our Community Rules. Trolling, baiting, or directing rude comments to your fellow community members does not contribute to a healthy discussion.We understand that sometimes tempers rise, but it is never acceptable to resort to rude comments and insults. This goes for rude comments and insults directed at other community members, and ZeniMax Online Studios employees alike.
Please keep in mind that discussing disciplinary action is also against our forum rules. Our team is happy to discuss any action that is taken on your forum account, and you can appeal any forum action by reaching out to our moderation team or by submitting a support ticket at help.elderscrollsonline.com
We hope that this clears up some of the concerns mentioned in this thread.
@ZOS_Adrikoth care to elaborate on that point of criticism? I've had posts edited that weren't criticisms of ZOS but just pointed out the fixes a game like FF14 went through which were completely removed.
Forum toxicity is increasing because of this type of moderation and solely this moderation. We can't speak our mind and genuine posters are told their comments are trolling or bait (which is now just asking a question for a response). If I wanted this place to be a hug box I'd just hang out on the ESO reddit but I'm an adult and this is a game for adults where you get treated like a child for having valid criticism.
P.S. Wouldn't be surprised if a certain other mod just banned me again for this post
Thank you for asking this, it's a good question and one we can elaborate on. Sometimes when several members have a heated discussion and the thread derails, comments simply become personal insults or baiting. In cases where a moderator removes the part of the conversation that contained attacks directed at others, it's with the hope that the discussion will get back on track and the thread topic can continue to be discussed. With that comes comments made by people who are not involved in the back and forth, who are replying the derailing comments. Even if the member may be speaking to a different point that the combative person made, they often quote the verbal attacks. When the problematic comments are removed, the remaining posts (that have not broken any rules), don't make any sense in the thread as their original context is no longer there. This is one of the other reasons we ask forum members to flag comments that are breaking the rules rather than quoting or responding to them. It saves the comments that are contributing to the conversation and prevents the thread from derailing.
While I don't know for a fact if this was the reasoning behind your comments removal, I hoped I was able to clarify some of the moderation team's processes.
I highly encourage you to reach out to a moderator if you ever have questions about why a moderation action was taken. Like Adrikoth previously mentioned, we do not discuss moderation action publicly but we are happy to answer questions via PMs. If you find yourself unable to contact the moderator to took the action, please feel free to reach out to another moderator.
@ZOS_Nith Thanks for clarifying and for continuing to communicate regarding moderation practices. I've noticed you and Adrikoth being more transparent in that regard lately, and it's appreciated.
One concern I do have with your suggestion to simply report TOS-breaking comments is that I find it rather hard to do so using the mobile site UI for Google Chrome. If I try to report anything longer than a very short, unnested comment, the report box doesn't actually scroll properly to allow me to access to the key to send my report. In order to flag a comment, I have to swap to the full computer site, write and send the report, and then swap back to mobile.
Since I mainly use mobile, I don't flag many comments due to the annoying extra steps. Perhaps someone can suggest a solution or different browser? Or is this just a general problem for mobile users?
Thank you for raising that point about your mobile experience with the forums.That's a great call out and I can absolutely pass the suggestion along to the appropriate team.
lordrichter wrote: »
People might think they remove negative comments to save face, but if that is the intent, they aren't doing a good job of it. There are tons of negative comments here. It isn't even just the negative comments as much as the uninformed negative tone, piled on exaggerations and excessive drama, as well.
You don't see me around here much because I got tired of the negative comments. That is a little ironic because I have made my share of negative comments, although mild compared to now. The current forum has gone way beyond and makes me feel uncomfortable.
I'm not having technical or performance issues in the game, and so I just don't feel like this is the place for me to be.
CassandraGemini wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »
@ZOS_Nith Thanks for clarifying and for continuing to communicate regarding moderation practices. I've noticed you and Adrikoth being more transparent in that regard lately, and it's appreciated.
One concern I do have with your suggestion to simply report TOS-breaking comments is that I find it rather hard to do so using the mobile site UI for Google Chrome. If I try to report anything longer than a very short, unnested comment, the report box doesn't actually scroll properly to allow me to access to the key to send my report. In order to flag a comment, I have to swap to the full computer site, write and send the report, and then swap back to mobile.
Since I mainly use mobile, I don't flag many comments due to the annoying extra steps. Perhaps someone can suggest a solution or different browser? Or is this just a general problem for mobile users?
I've actually encountered the same problem, not on mobile, but on my laptop. There was no way to scroll down enough to activate the "send" button, I had to use "tab" and "enter" to make it work. However, I was also using Google Chrome, so maybe it has something to do with the browser?
GhostofDatthaw wrote: »GhostofDatthaw wrote: »Sure, it's the moderators that are to blame for your adversarial attitude towards others and your insistence on: Trolling, baiting, or directing rude comments to your fellow community members does not contribute to a healthy discussion.
Completely unjustified, I'm sure.
As justified as belittling sarcasm?
If tepid sarcasm hurts your feelings then you may want to avoid the forums altogether.
Could say the same for what you were talking about, if you can't handle baiting and trolls you may want to avoid the forums altogether
I got my wrist slapped once with a "formal warning" for being critical of the combat devs, but I deserved that one as I was being personally insulting about it. Other than that, I've voiced lots of criticism about developmental decisions without any moderating. Disagreements are fine, even if heated at times. I think it depends on the tone. When your intent starts to be malicious and personally disparaging, lines get crossed.