Suggestion for ZOS

p00tx · November 2019

Please stop patching the game until you're sure of your patches. Each patch you've released to "help" the lag has in fact made it progressively worse. We're back to where we were last update when we could barely move in even overland vanilla content. Just please...stop. We'd rather not have this type of "help".

Before you or someone else blames the issue on the user, there are many of us experiencing the same issues at the same exact time in the same exact locations over and over. It's not us, it's you.

oXI_Viper_IXo · November 2019

Have you checked your TCP/IP settings? Reset your router? Made sure your firmware is up to date?

SickleCider · November 2019

If you tried all the above and it doesn't work, a black salt circle around the Xbox will keep the malicious spirits out.

idk · November 2019

p00tx wrote: »

Please stop patching the game until you're sure of your patches.

Humm. Trying to figure out how Zos can be 100% certain their patch will not cause some additional issues being they cannot test it with the loads that the live server has.

I am not a fan of the poor management style we have seen over the life of this game but I do know it is impossible for Zos to test for every eventuality and even on the PTS are not able to test with the loads the live server provides.

p00tx · November 2019

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p00tx wrote: »

Please stop patching the game until you're sure of your patches.

Humm. Trying to figure out how Zos can be 100% certain their patch will not cause some additional issues being they cannot test it with the loads that the live server has.

I am not a fan of the poor management style we have seen over the life of this game but I do know it is impossible for Zos to test for every eventuality and even on the PTS are not able to test with the loads the live server provides.

There has to be a way to properly stress test. I'm not a programmer, so this may be stupid or impossible, but can't they artificially mirror population by embedding a character cloning system to pts log on? Somehow make each unique log on worth 1000 to mirror population more closely?

idk · November 2019

p00tx wrote: »

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idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Please stop patching the game until you're sure of your patches.

Humm. Trying to figure out how Zos can be 100% certain their patch will not cause some additional issues being they cannot test it with the loads that the live server has.

I am not a fan of the poor management style we have seen over the life of this game but I do know it is impossible for Zos to test for every eventuality and even on the PTS are not able to test with the loads the live server provides.

There has to be a way to properly stress test. I'm not a programmer, so this may be stupid or impossible, but can't they artificially mirror population by embedding a character cloning system to pts log on? Somehow make each unique log on worth 1000 to mirror population more closely?

There is not a way to stress test to find everything that could happen. Even on the PTS we do not test for every eventuality. There will always be something that comes up that is the result of specific actions that no one tried.

Every single MMORPG I have played has had a number of bugs introduced with every updated. You are asking for perfection.. I know I am not perfect. I know my work is not done to perfection regardless of how much I try. I assume you have no flaws if you expect this kind of perfection.

p00tx · November 2019

idk wrote: »

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p00tx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Please stop patching the game until you're sure of your patches.

Humm. Trying to figure out how Zos can be 100% certain their patch will not cause some additional issues being they cannot test it with the loads that the live server has.

I am not a fan of the poor management style we have seen over the life of this game but I do know it is impossible for Zos to test for every eventuality and even on the PTS are not able to test with the loads the live server provides.

There has to be a way to properly stress test. I'm not a programmer, so this may be stupid or impossible, but can't they artificially mirror population by embedding a character cloning system to pts log on? Somehow make each unique log on worth 1000 to mirror population more closely?

There is not a way to stress test to find everything that could happen. Even on the PTS we do not test for every eventuality. There will always be something that comes up that is the result of specific actions that no one tried.

Every single MMORPG I have played has had a number of bugs introduced with every updated. You are asking for perfection.. I know I am not perfect. I know my work is not done to perfection regardless of how much I try. I assume you have no flaws if you expect this kind of perfection.

I don't expect perfection. I expect expertise and professionalism. This level of ineptitude would not be tolerable in my line of work and people would be fired, or at least moved to a department where their poor work quality would be less impactful. This is just plain bad, and I expect better from a company with the experience and resources ZOS has access to.

bearbelly · November 2019

p00tx wrote: »

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idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Please stop patching the game until you're sure of your patches.

Humm. Trying to figure out how Zos can be 100% certain their patch will not cause some additional issues being they cannot test it with the loads that the live server has.

I am not a fan of the poor management style we have seen over the life of this game but I do know it is impossible for Zos to test for every eventuality and even on the PTS are not able to test with the loads the live server provides.

There has to be a way to properly stress test. I'm not a programmer, so this may be stupid or impossible, but can't they artificially mirror population by embedding a character cloning system to pts log on? Somehow make each unique log on worth 1000 to mirror population more closely?

There is not a way to stress test to find everything that could happen. Even on the PTS we do not test for every eventuality. There will always be something that comes up that is the result of specific actions that no one tried.

Every single MMORPG I have played has had a number of bugs introduced with every updated. You are asking for perfection.. I know I am not perfect. I know my work is not done to perfection regardless of how much I try. I assume you have no flaws if you expect this kind of perfection.

I don't expect perfection. I expect expertise and professionalism. This level of ineptitude would not be tolerable in my line of work and people would be fired, or at least moved to a department where their poor work quality would be less impactful. This is just plain bad, and I expect better from a company with the experience and resources ZOS has access to.

You just said the magic words... this is not your line of work.

This is what happens in game development. Every game is plagued with unforeseen bugs.
And none of the games I have ever played on contemporary consoles (post 70s and early 80s Atari-Age, I mean), and on PC have been free of the same exact kind of player (and developer) frustrations that we see with ESO.

And even back in Atari's golden age devs talked of the same work conditions that plague the industry today, and many games were released with major problems or bugs.

This just how video game development goes.
Go to any video game forum today, and you'll see the same complaints and the same predictions that every game is about to die from driving its players away.

idk · November 2019

p00tx wrote: »

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idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Please stop patching the game until you're sure of your patches.

Humm. Trying to figure out how Zos can be 100% certain their patch will not cause some additional issues being they cannot test it with the loads that the live server has.

I am not a fan of the poor management style we have seen over the life of this game but I do know it is impossible for Zos to test for every eventuality and even on the PTS are not able to test with the loads the live server provides.

There has to be a way to properly stress test. I'm not a programmer, so this may be stupid or impossible, but can't they artificially mirror population by embedding a character cloning system to pts log on? Somehow make each unique log on worth 1000 to mirror population more closely?

There is not a way to stress test to find everything that could happen. Even on the PTS we do not test for every eventuality. There will always be something that comes up that is the result of specific actions that no one tried.

Every single MMORPG I have played has had a number of bugs introduced with every updated. You are asking for perfection.. I know I am not perfect. I know my work is not done to perfection regardless of how much I try. I assume you have no flaws if you expect this kind of perfection.

I don't expect perfection. I expect expertise and professionalism. This level of ineptitude would not be tolerable in my line of work and people would be fired, or at least moved to a department where their poor work quality would be less impactful. This is just plain bad, and I expect better from a company with the experience and resources ZOS has access to.

While I think Matt Firor has done an abysmal job directing Zos and its' various teams since before this game launched I am pretty sure most of the team members are professional and capable. Matt should not have let things get this bad to begin with.

I do not work in the gaming industry but I do work with technology. I have deployed new technology that is requires a high degree is reliability because lives depend on it. The requirements for Zos should pale in comparison.

Over the course of each project there were updates. The vendor tested each update, but not for specific systems (think different PCs and consoles) and we tested each update with the knowledges that there were key features that were used in real Life or Death situations.

Thing is, even with our thorough test script there were some flaws that made it to our live system undetected and at least one of them would have cost lives when it was actually needed. It was for triggering an alarm to call for emergency response units when all that person could do is push that button.

So yea, if something can be missed in testing of a much more critical system than a toy (ESO is a toy) then you can pretty much expect Zos to not get it right either.

JinMori · November 2019

idk wrote: »

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p00tx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Please stop patching the game until you're sure of your patches.

Humm. Trying to figure out how Zos can be 100% certain their patch will not cause some additional issues being they cannot test it with the loads that the live server has.

I am not a fan of the poor management style we have seen over the life of this game but I do know it is impossible for Zos to test for every eventuality and even on the PTS are not able to test with the loads the live server provides.

There has to be a way to properly stress test. I'm not a programmer, so this may be stupid or impossible, but can't they artificially mirror population by embedding a character cloning system to pts log on? Somehow make each unique log on worth 1000 to mirror population more closely?

There is not a way to stress test to find everything that could happen. Even on the PTS we do not test for every eventuality. There will always be something that comes up that is the result of specific actions that no one tried.

Every single MMORPG I have played has had a number of bugs introduced with every updated. You are asking for perfection.. I know I am not perfect. I know my work is not done to perfection regardless of how much I try. I assume you have no flaws if you expect this kind of perfection.

I don't expect perfection. I expect expertise and professionalism. This level of ineptitude would not be tolerable in my line of work and people would be fired, or at least moved to a department where their poor work quality would be less impactful. This is just plain bad, and I expect better from a company with the experience and resources ZOS has access to.

While I think Matt Firor has done an abysmal job directing Zos and its' various teams since before this game launched I am pretty sure most of the team members are professional and capable. Matt should not have let things get this bad to begin with.

I do not work in the gaming industry but I do work with technology. I have deployed new technology that is requires a high degree is reliability because lives depend on it. The requirements for Zos should pale in comparison.

Over the course of each project there were updates. The vendor tested each update, but not for specific systems (think different PCs and consoles) and we tested each update with the knowledges that there were key features that were used in real Life or Death situations.

Thing is, even with our thorough test script there were some flaws that made it to our live system undetected and at least one of them would have cost lives when it was actually needed. It was for triggering an alarm to call for emergency response units when all that person could do is push that button.

So yea, if something can be missed in testing of a much more critical system than a toy (ESO is a toy) then you can pretty much expect Zos to not get it right either.

We don't really know until we see, but i myself think that the problem is most probably related with the higher ups rather then the devs.

Although, i do not think they are the best around.

But one thing is clear, there are some glaring problems with this game and how it's handled, if you think otherwise, you are just wrong, because it's not normal for a product to be in this state.

idk · November 2019

JinMori wrote: »

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idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

idk wrote: »

p00tx wrote: »

Please stop patching the game until you're sure of your patches.

Humm. Trying to figure out how Zos can be 100% certain their patch will not cause some additional issues being they cannot test it with the loads that the live server has.

I am not a fan of the poor management style we have seen over the life of this game but I do know it is impossible for Zos to test for every eventuality and even on the PTS are not able to test with the loads the live server provides.

There has to be a way to properly stress test. I'm not a programmer, so this may be stupid or impossible, but can't they artificially mirror population by embedding a character cloning system to pts log on? Somehow make each unique log on worth 1000 to mirror population more closely?

There is not a way to stress test to find everything that could happen. Even on the PTS we do not test for every eventuality. There will always be something that comes up that is the result of specific actions that no one tried.

Every single MMORPG I have played has had a number of bugs introduced with every updated. You are asking for perfection.. I know I am not perfect. I know my work is not done to perfection regardless of how much I try. I assume you have no flaws if you expect this kind of perfection.

I don't expect perfection. I expect expertise and professionalism. This level of ineptitude would not be tolerable in my line of work and people would be fired, or at least moved to a department where their poor work quality would be less impactful. This is just plain bad, and I expect better from a company with the experience and resources ZOS has access to.

While I think Matt Firor has done an abysmal job directing Zos and its' various teams since before this game launched I am pretty sure most of the team members are professional and capable. Matt should not have let things get this bad to begin with.

I do not work in the gaming industry but I do work with technology. I have deployed new technology that is requires a high degree is reliability because lives depend on it. The requirements for Zos should pale in comparison.

Over the course of each project there were updates. The vendor tested each update, but not for specific systems (think different PCs and consoles) and we tested each update with the knowledges that there were key features that were used in real Life or Death situations.

Thing is, even with our thorough test script there were some flaws that made it to our live system undetected and at least one of them would have cost lives when it was actually needed. It was for triggering an alarm to call for emergency response units when all that person could do is push that button.

So yea, if something can be missed in testing of a much more critical system than a toy (ESO is a toy) then you can pretty much expect Zos to not get it right either.

We don't really know until we see, but i myself think that the problem is most probably related with the higher ups rather then the devs.

Although, i do not think they are the best around.

But one thing is clear, there are some glaring problems with this game and how it's handled, if you think otherwise, you are just wrong, because it's not normal for a product to be in this state.

I agree. That is why I mentioned Matt Firor. Altman gave Matt the job to run the Zos subsidiary. When your title is President (which is really director of a subsidiary) you are more business than anything else.